Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

James lakes · 03-09-2017 10:39PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

How terrible of him to have passion for the sport and his county. That's not what the gaa is all about.

The night in a challenge match v Mullinavat the serious injury he inflicted on one of there players was that passion for his club or County. The player had to have an operation after it when he claimed the gaa looked into he got suspended over it.

Brian017 · 03-09-2017 10:49PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

The U-21 final next Saturday is on at 3pm. It's normally on around 5 or 7pm.
Any particular reason why it has been moved forward? Is it because KK are in the camogie final in Croke Park the next day?

TG4 have a rugby double bill that evening so I'm guessing they asked the GAA if they could move both U21 finals to the afternoon

brookville · 03-09-2017 11:35PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

The U-21 final next Saturday is on at 3pm. It's normally on around 5 or 7pm.
Any particular reason why it has been moved forward? Is it because KK are in the camogie final in Croke Park the next day?

Any word from how the 21s are going?any challenge matches or injuries?

Realt Dearg Sec · 04-09-2017 01:55AM

James lakes wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

How terrible of him to have passion for the sport and his county. That's not what the gaa is all about.

The night in a challenge match v Mullinavat the serious injury he inflicted on one of there players was that passion for his club or County. The player had to have an operation after it when he claimed the gaa looked into he got suspended over it.

Is that what davidx40 above was referring to?

James lakes · 04-09-2017 09:16AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Is that what davidx40 above was referring to?

You ask him I don't speak for other people.

Hawkeye6 · 04-09-2017 11:57AM

The Senior Hurling Championship for 2017 has ended and in my opinion it was a good championship, albeit not so good for Kilkenny, and it ended with a good entertaining final where the best team all year and on the day deservedly won out. Here are some of my talking points.

Like 2008, Waterford were not ready and not focused for the start, the only difference this time, and significantly so, they recovered and were allowed to recover. This game was won in the first three minutes as Galway scored three points in quick succession. 71 minutes later they were still only three points ahead. Even Kevin Moran, who I thought played very well overall was so nervous the ball fell out of his hand in the first three minutes. Thankfully for Waterford the ball was laid on nicely for him in the fourth minute, he picked his spot against a Galway keeper who was also not tuned in and that ended any chance of a repeat of 2008. It’s small margins at this level.

Are we facing a period Galway dominance and will Waterford be back next year? The top table has more occupants now, but the two still to watch are Tipperary and Kilkenny. Tipperary only lost by one single point to Galway. Kilkenny were level at full time with Waterford and given Kilkenny’s history in replays, had they met at semi -final level, who knows. Some people will say Kilkenny were poor this year. Yes, poor by the standards of the last decade, but Kilkenny were not poor. Any given day those results could be different. One problem Waterford have to overcome, is the mental psychology of sport. Their All-Ireland final was against Kilkenny. No matter how hard Derek McGrath was working, the psyche in Waterford was they had won something more than a match by beating Kilkenny. The GAA community is small and close, the emotion does spread very easily. Too many Waterford people were obsessed with the fact that Kilkenny were not in Croke Park on Sunday rather than their next opponents. If it were Kilkenny, would we be thinking about Waterford in the run up the All-Ireland final to any great extent? Their subsequent wins against Wexford and Cork although deserved do not carry any long term merit. The jury is out on whether the Wexford bandwagon can continue at the same level next year and the Cork win was surrounded in a lot of controversy. Galway, by far the team of 2018, still only won by a puck of a ball and Clare, a team with great U21 success around the same time, took a replay to do the same in 2013. Where have they been since? Watch out for the old guard in 2018.

The sweeper system was not buried yesterday. In fact it has cemented itself as a potential way to win an All-Ireland. A small bit of tweaking for Waterford and that puck of the ball could have gone the other way. It wasn’t even necessarily around the system itself. The nervous start, the bad wide in the second half from Kevin Moran, the missed free by Mahony, the petulance of and lack of team ethic from Austin Gleeson, the poor puckouts from Stephen O’Keeffe, the loss of Conor Gleeson were all factors. A tweak, not an abandon could easily swing that puck of the ball back in Waterford’s favour. Tipperary without a sweeper lost the League final by 17 points. It will be interesting to see how the Kilkenny Camogie team fare with their sweeper system next Sunday. The Camogie final will simplify the system for any coaches with a view to the future. More worryingly for the GAA than the sweeper system, after yesterday, and in particular if the football is won by Mayo; will player rebellions become more popular?

The last ever Under-18 minor Final was a brilliant game. From a Kilkenny point of view there is very little between ourselves Galway and Cork. Cork were trying to become the first and only county to win the minor four years after winning the Tony Forristal, but the Forristal curse struck again. Combine this with the fact that although Cork won both the Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh titles in 2015 and 2016, they failed in 2017 to reach the Under-16 semi-finals. Still points to the fact, that despite perceptions, Cork have a huge amount of work to do. Remember, they thought they had broke through in 2013 too and they made the final that year!

Specifically from a Kilkenny point of view, Brian Turnbull made Darren Morrissey the Galway corner back look very ordinary. Darren was outstanding and made Adrian Mullen look very ordinary in the semi-final. On the other hand, despite a no show in the first half, Jack Canning showed what he was capable of. He did not get that kind of luxury against Michael Carey (who was not his direct marker for all the Canning scores). A lot of posters have mentioned Mullen for quick promotion. Yes he has huge potential as a stick man. To make it in Kilkenny, you must be more than a stick man. Carey’s attitude is top notch, but because he is defender, he doesn’t get mentioned as much, even though we are crying out for defenders more so than forwards. Mullen was part of what was a very good bunch, who failed to deliver Forristal and Arrabawn. Carey was not part of Under-14 at all, a bit player at U16. He’s worked hard. A lot of Mullen’s reputation has been built on Kierans form, but as I have often suggested, that is a county team versus school teams and it is deceptive as regards the whole county setup. Both players are a good bit away from being considered for senior, though at this point Carey is the one to watch the most in my opinion. I wish both the very best of luck and hopefully, not too much pressure from us supporters to be delivering before being ready.

So lets see what the Under-21 and the Camogie throw up next weekend.

kkclubhurling · 04-09-2017 12:14PM

I saw Mullen a few weeks ago against Danesfort in the senior league, when his team were 10 points down, with TJ Reid and Colin Fennelly being kept extremely quiet by Murphy and O'Neill, Mullen, who is still 17 took the game by the scruff of the neck and along with his brother Darren dragged Ballyhale from the depths and pulled a draw from the fire.

He is not just a stickman.

robwen · 04-09-2017 10:29PM

We wouldn't look crooked at Cody
Waterford last appeared in the All-Ireland final in 2008, when they were ruthlessly dismantled by Brian Cody’s Kilkenny. In his revealing new book, The Warrior’s Code, former Kilkenny star Jackie Tyrrell says they didn’t just set out to win that game, but to also psychologically scar their hopeful opponents, and in exclusive extracts published today, Tyrrell also lifts the lid on Kilkenny manager’s brand of tough love.

Brian understands the group dynamic, the importance of proper chemistry and how it needs to be mixed with the correct blend of characters. Personalities who leaven that mix are critical to any group but Cody never wants somebody stirring the pot up too much.
John Mulhall was a great character, a guy who never conformed to expectations. He once had the distinction of representing Ireland in the World Series of Beer Pong in Las Vegas.
Mulhall was up for anything. At the homecoming for the 2011 All-Ireland, Brian handed him the microphone and Mulhall thought he was in the 3 Arena. He performed the song he'd written himself, G'wan the Super Cats, to the melody of KC & The Sunshine Band's Give It Up. Every verse was loaded with enough classic lines for a stand-up comedy gig and we all belted out the chorus. Everything was going to plan until Mulhall came to the last verse. "Now we've taken back our throne/Tipperary póg mo thóin/Liam MacCarthy's coming ****ing home."

Cody's body language immediately changed. When he took the microphone back off Mulhall, Brian told the crowd: "You've witnessed a performance by a fella who is probably going to have the shortest inter-county career of all time."

Brian may have only been joking, but Mulhall was gone by the following spring.

Brian appreciates wit and fun but most guys suppress that part of their personality around him because nobody knows where they stand with him. That mystique about Cody and his personality means that the players never know how to take him. That is a strength of Brian's but he probably feels he needs that type of personality to be able to handle so many driven players.
Affection has never been a dynamic in his relationship with us. Cultivating such a distance between us and him adds to his mystique. He is nowhere near as severe in private as his public image suggests but nobody would dare cross him.

For him, it's just black and white. Nothing personal. Just business. Cody never believed that dropping big names, always keeping guys on edge, added up to ruthlessness but none of us were ever in any doubt as to how ruthless he could be.
Before the 2010 All-Ireland final, he pulled Paddy Hogan and team captain Eoin Guinan from the Kilkenny intermediate team set to play in the All-Ireland final against Cork. The decision sparked some silent fury from the intermediate management when neither featured on the senior team eight days later. Guinan's club were reportedly furious over denying their man the opportunity to captain his county in an All-Ireland final, which Kilkenny won.

Guinan was on the panel the following winter. After losing the 2010 final to Tipp, we went back training earlier than normal. We worked like animals over the winter. Eoin did all the hard training but after one desperately hard session in Mooncoin, Brian told him he was being released from the panel.
I remember afterwards wondering why Eoin had been dropped in such a callous manner. I think I asked him afterwards if he had done something during the session to piss Brian off. Eoin said he hadn't.

I didn't understand Brian's reason for bringing a fella down to the bottom of the county in Mooncoin, running the **** out of him in the muck and dirt, and then telling him he was gone. To us it was pointless. To Brian Cody, it clearly wasn't. Maybe he was put out by the criticism he got from the Kilkenny intermediate management and from people in Eoin's club. If he was, that act of dropping him was Brian's way of letting everyone know who was the boss, and who makes the big decisions in Kilkenny.
The players were disappointed for Eoin but none of us dared to question Cody's authority.

I'm sure players in other counties would have queried such a decision but other counties haven't had the success that we've had. None of us would look crooked at Cody because we all know the exact same thing could happen to any of us just as quickly.

I often hear stories of managers in other counties having a really good relationship with their manager, of that fun and relaxed dynamic that never existed between us and Brian. I often craved that kind of relationship with Brian but then when I'd hear stories of how cosy some players were with their manager, some of the drinking and messing they'd do on holidays or during the off-season, I'm glad that Brian always kept that distance between us.
Nobody has a right to a jersey. We all appreciate that. Brian's methods have delivered us success beyond everyone's wildest dreams in Kilkenny. We appreciate and value the man so much. We don't expect to be mollycoddled but the lack of feedback is what drives most fellas mad.
Fellas with bags of All-Ireland medals have sometimes walked away bitter and angry. Cha Fitzpatrick has never spoken out publicly about Brian but privately, I would say that he was frustrated and may have felt forced to walk away at just 26. You can still sometimes see that frustration in Cha. He'll often have a go at Brian through some piss-take sketch. He once put up a team of 'Cody rejects'.

Cha was one of the most talented hurlers I ever played with, but I feel that Brian made up his mind about Cha after that 2010 All-Ireland final. Physically he was blown out of it that day. He was playing some great stuff for us in 2011 but he couldn't cover the same ground any more and Cody didn't believe Cha could survive in the combat zone the way he wanted him to. Brian let him stew on the bench and it played out just like Brian, Cha and the rest of us probably felt it would - Cha walked.

Brian was justified by winning another All-Ireland. He won another the year after Cha walked. Brian's success immunises his methods from most forms of criticism but he still should have been more upfront with Cha during 2011. If he had pointed out what he wanted from Cha, if he told him what he needed to improve on, maybe Cha would have done what was asked of him, and would have given himself a chance of extending his Kilkenny career. Then again, if Cody loses faith in a player, there's no way back.
That lack of feedback can still be crippling. It depends on where you are in your career but it still drives some lads demented when they're not playing. I'm experiencing it now. It can make you crazy but you just have to accept that this is how Brian conducts his business. It works. It has always worked. He has already squeezed a fair career out of me.

Individualism is nothing. It's all about the team. The show will carry on without any one individual. He is so tunnel-visioned that players, personalities, egos, even feelings, don't come into the equation if he feels it means Kilkenny will become soft.

I don't even know if Brian recognises the frustration players have often felt. I'm sure he would if he sat down and thought about it but it's not on his radar at all. Players have got frustrated. They have left before their time was done but none of it seems to matter to Brian. You'd just wonder is it a standard test he sets for everyone - how long can you endure? How long can you stay here without knowing where you stand?
I'm lucky that I've had Brother Damien to lean on. We've never been exposed to sports psychology under Brian, probably because he is the ultimate psychologist himself.

Brian completely understands the power of calculated instability, that tension he generates between hope and desperation. Brian might say to the group that five or six lads aren't pulling their weight and, no matter how well you're going, you'll still often think he is referring to you. That's the kind of stuff that continues to generate our relentless drive.

That's all that matters to Brian. He will not back down for anyone. He has his strong values, that Kilkenny hurling will keep rolling on, whoever is involved. That is the only focus he wants us to have. Nothing else matters. He is always afraid of outside influences contaminating the panel. That's why he has always been so distrustful of the media.
Some say it's paranoia. The majority of the stuff that has been written about Kilkenny over the years is positive but when Brian has no control, he gets edgy. His big fear is the insidious danger of complacency and softness creeping in and he always saw the media as a vehicle for creating those issues.

When Martin Fogarty was involved, he used to co-ordinate and organise all media requests but Brian always had the final decision. We were always told to say nothing. Seán Cummins, who was on the panel for a few years, came out with a comment once which encapsulated everything Brian thought, and wanted us to feel, about the media. "Treat them like mushrooms; fill them with **** and keep them in the dark."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/we-wouldnt-look-crooked-at-cody-36094445.html

kk.man · 04-09-2017 10:47PM

robwen wrote: »

We wouldn't look crooked at Cody
Waterford last appeared in the All-Ireland final in 2008, when they were ruthlessly dismantled by Brian Cody’s Kilkenny. In his revealing new book, The Warrior’s Code, former Kilkenny star Jackie Tyrrell says they didn’t just set out to win that game, but to also psychologically scar their hopeful opponents, and in exclusive extracts published today, Tyrrell also lifts the lid on Kilkenny manager’s brand of tough love.

Brian understands the group dynamic, the importance of proper chemistry and how it needs to be mixed with the correct blend of characters. Personalities who leaven that mix are critical to any group but Cody never wants somebody stirring the pot up too much.
John Mulhall was a great character, a guy who never conformed to expectations. He once had the distinction of representing Ireland in the World Series of Beer Pong in Las Vegas.
Mulhall was up for anything. At the homecoming for the 2011 All-Ireland, Brian handed him the microphone and Mulhall thought he was in the 3 Arena. He performed the song he'd written himself, G'wan the Super Cats, to the melody of KC & The Sunshine Band's Give It Up. Every verse was loaded with enough classic lines for a stand-up comedy gig and we all belted out the chorus. Everything was going to plan until Mulhall came to the last verse. "Now we've taken back our throne/Tipperary póg mo thóin/Liam MacCarthy's coming ****ing home."

Cody's body language immediately changed. When he took the microphone back off Mulhall, Brian told the crowd: "You've witnessed a performance by a fella who is probably going to have the shortest inter-county career of all time."

Brian may have only been joking, but Mulhall was gone by the following spring.

Brian appreciates wit and fun but most guys suppress that part of their personality around him because nobody knows where they stand with him. That mystique about Cody and his personality means that the players never know how to take him. That is a strength of Brian's but he probably feels he needs that type of personality to be able to handle so many driven players.
Affection has never been a dynamic in his relationship with us. Cultivating such a distance between us and him adds to his mystique. He is nowhere near as severe in private as his public image suggests but nobody would dare cross him.

For him, it's just black and white. Nothing personal. Just business. Cody never believed that dropping big names, always keeping guys on edge, added up to ruthlessness but none of us were ever in any doubt as to how ruthless he could be.
Before the 2010 All-Ireland final, he pulled Paddy Hogan and team captain Eoin Guinan from the Kilkenny intermediate team set to play in the All-Ireland final against Cork. The decision sparked some silent fury from the intermediate management when neither featured on the senior team eight days later. Guinan's club were reportedly furious over denying their man the opportunity to captain his county in an All-Ireland final, which Kilkenny won.

Guinan was on the panel the following winter. After losing the 2010 final to Tipp, we went back training earlier than normal. We worked like animals over the winter. Eoin did all the hard training but after one desperately hard session in Mooncoin, Brian told him he was being released from the panel.
I remember afterwards wondering why Eoin had been dropped in such a callous manner. I think I asked him afterwards if he had done something during the session to piss Brian off. Eoin said he hadn't.

I didn't understand Brian's reason for bringing a fella down to the bottom of the county in Mooncoin, running the **** out of him in the muck and dirt, and then telling him he was gone. To us it was pointless. To Brian Cody, it clearly wasn't. Maybe he was put out by the criticism he got from the Kilkenny intermediate management and from people in Eoin's club. If he was, that act of dropping him was Brian's way of letting everyone know who was the boss, and who makes the big decisions in Kilkenny.
The players were disappointed for Eoin but none of us dared to question Cody's authority.

I'm sure players in other counties would have queried such a decision but other counties haven't had the success that we've had. None of us would look crooked at Cody because we all know the exact same thing could happen to any of us just as quickly.

I often hear stories of managers in other counties having a really good relationship with their manager, of that fun and relaxed dynamic that never existed between us and Brian. I often craved that kind of relationship with Brian but then when I'd hear stories of how cosy some players were with their manager, some of the drinking and messing they'd do on holidays or during the off-season, I'm glad that Brian always kept that distance between us.
Nobody has a right to a jersey. We all appreciate that. Brian's methods have delivered us success beyond everyone's wildest dreams in Kilkenny. We appreciate and value the man so much. We don't expect to be mollycoddled but the lack of feedback is what drives most fellas mad.
Fellas with bags of All-Ireland medals have sometimes walked away bitter and angry. Cha Fitzpatrick has never spoken out publicly about Brian but privately, I would say that he was frustrated and may have felt forced to walk away at just 26. You can still sometimes see that frustration in Cha. He'll often have a go at Brian through some piss-take sketch. He once put up a team of 'Cody rejects'.

Cha was one of the most talented hurlers I ever played with, but I feel that Brian made up his mind about Cha after that 2010 All-Ireland final. Physically he was blown out of it that day. He was playing some great stuff for us in 2011 but he couldn't cover the same ground any more and Cody didn't believe Cha could survive in the combat zone the way he wanted him to. Brian let him stew on the bench and it played out just like Brian, Cha and the rest of us probably felt it would - Cha walked.

Brian was justified by winning another All-Ireland. He won another the year after Cha walked. Brian's success immunises his methods from most forms of criticism but he still should have been more upfront with Cha during 2011. If he had pointed out what he wanted from Cha, if he told him what he needed to improve on, maybe Cha would have done what was asked of him, and would have given himself a chance of extending his Kilkenny career. Then again, if Cody loses faith in a player, there's no way back.
That lack of feedback can still be crippling. It depends on where you are in your career but it still drives some lads demented when they're not playing. I'm experiencing it now. It can make you crazy but you just have to accept that this is how Brian conducts his business. It works. It has always worked. He has already squeezed a fair career out of me.

Individualism is nothing. It's all about the team. The show will carry on without any one individual. He is so tunnel-visioned that players, personalities, egos, even feelings, don't come into the equation if he feels it means Kilkenny will become soft.

I don't even know if Brian recognises the frustration players have often felt. I'm sure he would if he sat down and thought about it but it's not on his radar at all. Players have got frustrated. They have left before their time was done but none of it seems to matter to Brian. You'd just wonder is it a standard test he sets for everyone - how long can you endure? How long can you stay here without knowing where you stand?
I'm lucky that I've had Brother Damien to lean on. We've never been exposed to sports psychology under Brian, probably because he is the ultimate psychologist himself.

Brian completely understands the power of calculated instability, that tension he generates between hope and desperation. Brian might say to the group that five or six lads aren't pulling their weight and, no matter how well you're going, you'll still often think he is referring to you. That's the kind of stuff that continues to generate our relentless drive.

That's all that matters to Brian. He will not back down for anyone. He has his strong values, that Kilkenny hurling will keep rolling on, whoever is involved. That is the only focus he wants us to have. Nothing else matters. He is always afraid of outside influences contaminating the panel. That's why he has always been so distrustful of the media.
Some say it's paranoia. The majority of the stuff that has been written about Kilkenny over the years is positive but when Brian has no control, he gets edgy. His big fear is the insidious danger of complacency and softness creeping in and he always saw the media as a vehicle for creating those issues.

When Martin Fogarty was involved, he used to co-ordinate and organise all media requests but Brian always had the final decision. We were always told to say nothing. Seán Cummins, who was on the panel for a few years, came out with a comment once which encapsulated everything Brian thought, and wanted us to feel, about the media. "Treat them like mushrooms; fill them with **** and keep them in the dark."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/we-wouldnt-look-crooked-at-cody-36094445.html

Very honest...maybe too honest

Donnielighto · 04-09-2017 11:45PM

kk.man wrote: »

Very honest...maybe too honest

Yep

robwen · 05-09-2017 12:23AM

There were 3 diff extracts in the Sunday Indo can only find 2 online, tho

I arrived at James Stephens' old pitch in Larchfield just after 9.0am. I was fresh and well rested because I was asleep just after midnight. I rang in the New Year with Clare but as 2015 segued into 2016, I was already resetting my body-clock and mind to prepare for what I hoped a new season would bring.
It was cold and frosty. Air temperatures were close to zero. A blanket of frost had coated the ground like icing sugar so I stamped my feet along both 20-metre lines, my footprints acting as markers for the starting and finishing points for a set of runs designed to punish my muscles and unleash torture on my mind.
I was fully ready for the pain. I wanted it. I needed to feel that burn, almost as a reminder of the hurt of missing out on the 2015 All-Ireland final, as another mental note of never wanting to miss out on that kind of action again.

I won my ninth All-Ireland medal that day but I played no part in the match. That admission may sound vulgar to so many players who would kill for just one All-Ireland medal but that is who I am. That's the kind of wild ambition and selfishness which has made us who we are in Kilkenny. Henry Shefflin is the only GAA player in history with ten All-Ireland medals. And I desperately want to join him.

The rest of the Kilkenny squad are in Thailand since the end of December celebrating that success on our team holiday. Clare couldn't get time off from work in January so the two of us went on the same break in November. It suited me down to the ground because it granted me the time to do some extra work during those two weeks. I was in the gym in Nowlan Park one afternoon over Christmas when I spotted an image on Snapchat of the boys drinking and going mad on a boat. My muscles were screaming for respite with how hard I was pushing myself but the picture provided the rocket fuel for me to drive myself even harder. "I'll be ready for these boys when they come back," I said to myself. "I'll just blow them out of the water when the hard running begins in a couple of weeks."

This is the start of it now for me. I didn't have anyone there to push or encourage me. That didn't matter. The stopwatch on my phone was my timer, which wasn't ideal, but I wasn't worried about split-seconds for now. At this stage, it's about getting the legs pumping, the lungs opened up and storing some juice in the tank for the long-haul journey ahead.
I was sluggish. By now, I know my usual times for those runs Kilkenny do between both 20-metre lines. My January time is normally 18 seconds. By February, I'd usually be clocking 17. Sixteen seconds is my ultimate target for the summer but I'm almost four seconds off that time now. My average recording over the series of sprints was 19.5. My lungs were screaming for oxygen. The lactic acid was piercing my muscles but I still felt great. Energised. Alive.

I haven't felt that way since the 2015 Leinster final but even that day carried as asterisk. I was taken off against Galway. I was bull-thick and mad keen to prove myself again before the All-Ireland semi-final against Waterford.
Three weeks out from the match, I was marking Mark Kelly in a training game. It was a typical Nowlan Park match, raw and sparky. I was already on edge so I was like a powder keg waiting to explode. I did when Mark hit me a sneaky slap on the hand.

I turned around and pulled head high on him. It was probably the worst stroke I ever pulled on anyone. It was mean and dangerous. Brian Cody went bananas.
I had pulled plenty of loose strokes in training over the years and Brian would have just signalled his disapproval by calling my name with the tone of an exclamation mark. "Jaaackie!" This time, he stopped the game and cut me in two.

"Don't ever ****ing do that again," he roared.
I was so thick that I never turned around. I just kept walking.

"Jackie, get back here."

I faced towards Brian. "If you ever do that again, I'll fire you out that gate and you won't be back."
Brian normally never loses the rag in a match to that extent but he was still in my ear after training. "You can't be carrying on like that," he said. "You're no good to anyone on the sideline. Because that's where you'll be if you pull like that again." I was still trying to justify my actions, for which I had no defence. "Brian, you didn't see the stroke Mark pulled beforehand."
"I don't care," said Brian. "I'll have a word with Mark. I know you're probably a little frustrated that you're not going as well as you'd like but you'll be playing the next day against Waterford. And I need you to be ready."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/i-was-fully-ready-for-the-pain-i-needed-to-feel-that-burn-36094446.html

Realt Dearg Sec · 05-09-2017 01:22AM

Probably more revelatory than Cody would like but I've a feeling that isn't going to bother Jackie terribly these days! One thing is for sure, he had done a good job persuading me to read the book, sounds honest and insightful in a way that many hurling books, especially Kilkenny ones, have not been.

dastardly00 · 05-09-2017 02:54PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

One thing is for sure, he had done a good job persuading me to read the book, sounds honest and insightful in a way that many hurling books, especially Kilkenny ones, have not been.

Yeah, based on those extracts, along with Jackie's columns in the IT, and the fact that he wrote it with Christy O'Connor means that I will buy the book.

dastardly00 · 05-09-2017 02:58PM

Who else from the KK-Cody era has released books? Shefflin, DJ Carey, and Cody himself. Any others?

donnem33 · 05-09-2017 02:58PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Who else from the KK-Cody era has released books? Shefflin, DJ Carey, and Cody himself. Any others?

Charlie Cater

djPSB · 05-09-2017 03:41PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Probably more revelatory than Cody would like but I've a feeling that isn't going to bother Jackie terribly these days! One thing is for sure, he had done a good job persuading me to read the book, sounds honest and insightful in a way that many hurling books, especially Kilkenny ones, have not been.

He doesn't come across well at all. Not a great pundit either, seems very self absorbed.

James lakes · 05-09-2017 04:22PM

The best of luck to our teams and managements in all Irelands this weekend do us proud.

Village87 · 05-09-2017 04:25PM

djPSB wrote: »

He doesn't come across well at all. Not a great pundit either, seems very self absorbed.

Ah he is ok, not the worst out there.. I liked Jackies articles in the times every Sunday, not sure where he can go with them after this year as he talks a lot about his own time ans experiences o big occasions, can only talk about that for so long.

Lacks a bit of charisma on the TV

Village87 · 05-09-2017 04:26PM

Village87 wrote: »

Ah he is ok, not the worst out there.. I liked Jackies articles in the times every Sunday, not sure where he can go with them after this year as he talks a lot about his own time ans experiences o big occasions, can only talk about that for so long.

Lacks a bit of charisma on the TV

Every Friday i mean

James lakes · 05-09-2017 04:33PM

donnem33 wrote: »

dastardly00 wrote: »

Who else from the KK-Cody era has released books? Shefflin, DJ Carey, and Cody himself. Any others?

Charlie Cater

The Beano comic was better than that.

Realt Dearg Sec · 05-09-2017 05:12PM

donnem33 wrote: »

dastardly00 wrote: »

Who else from the KK-Cody era has released books? Shefflin, DJ Carey, and Cody himself. Any others?

Charlie Cater

That was dire, wouldn't mind only enda Mcevoy is ordinary one of the best sportswriters in the country, and his Tommy meagher book is one of the best sports books ever written. But that was just such a non event, every lad he played against was a great person and everything was fantastic, except Cody, who provided the only interesting chapter in the book.

greenspurs · 05-09-2017 05:24PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That was dire, wouldn't mind only enda Mcevoy is ordinary one of the best sportswriters in the country, and his Tommy meagher book is one of the best sports books ever written. But that was just such a non event, every lad he played against was a great person and everything was fantastic, except Cody, who provided the only interesting chapter in the book.

Id like to hear what the players he played against, thought of him !

:D

greenspurs · 05-09-2017 05:25PM

James lakes wrote: »

The best of luck to our teams and managements in all Irelands this weekend do us proud.

Two tough games for the Black&Amber teams involved , hopefully we can win the 2 of them !!

Realt Dearg Sec · 05-09-2017 06:09PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That was dire, wouldn't mind only enda Mcevoy is ordinary one of the best sportswriters in the country, and his Tommy meagher book is one of the best sports books ever written. But that was just such a non event, every lad he played against was a great person and everything was fantastic, except Cody, who provided the only interesting chapter in the book.

Id like to hear what the players he played against, thought of him ! :D

The thing is I suspect Charlie could have done a great book but he seemed to be holding back and not wanting to tread on toes in print. That's understandable but it doesn't make for great reading is all.

mountgomery burns · 05-09-2017 06:31PM

Whens that book due out?

dastardly00 · 05-09-2017 06:51PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Whens that book due out?

September 7th

blackcard · 05-09-2017 08:46PM

Interesting proposals for the Leinster Championship next year. KK would be in a group of 5 along with Wx, Gy, Dub and Oy. Presumably 2 home a d 2 away matches. Top 2 contest Leinster Final with winner through to AI semi. I think loser of Leinster final plays third in Munster with winner through to semi.
All teams guaranteed 4 matches, to win the AI would take 7 matches. Bottom team can be relegated to Tier 2 Christy Ring. Could work but I think 4 group matches would have to be played over 4 weeks and all matches should be played over 10 weeks say from Mid May to end of July to allow club games in August and July

Topcat32 · 05-09-2017 11:04PM

If Kilkenny were to win on Saturday, we would top the roll of honour (on our own) at Senior, under 21 and minor level, would be a good end to a pretty dissapointing year.

Galway minors looked excellent on Sunday, their full forward line was as good as i've seen on a minor team, might cause some people to revaluate our minors perhaps, I think we had an an above average Kilkenny minor team this year.

James lakes · 05-09-2017 11:20PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

If Kilkenny were to win on Saturday, we would top the roll of honour (on our own) at Senior, under 21 and minor level, would be a good end to a pretty dissapointing year.

Galway minors looked excellent on Sunday, their full forward line was as good as i've seen on a minor team, might cause some people to revaluate our minors perhaps, I think we had an an above average Kilkenny minor team this year.

That Cork full back line was very shaky v Dublin they were there for the taking in the semifinal.

Topcat32 · 05-09-2017 11:37PM

James lakes wrote: »

That Cork full back line was very shaky v Dublin they were there for the taking in the semifinal.

The fullback line was probably Corks weakest area but I thought the quality of the Galway full forward line was very good for minor level, 2 very tall strong corner forwards and a very fast full forward, all good hurlers as well.

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