"Non book readers" - Season 7 Episode 7 "The Dragon and the Wolf"

Did anyone else like Jon's talk with Theon? "Greyjog and Stark, i.e Targaryen and Stark.

Mousewar wrote: »

I didn't like the mission beyond the wall plotline when it happened as it just didn't make sense. After today's episode it's apparent that it was one big McGuffin designed purely to give the night king a dragon so he could take down the wall and so advance the story.
I don't mind little potholes. I don't overly analyse stuff. But being so lazy in the writing of such a major piece of the plot is very disappointing.
I love GOT and I think the first half of this season was tremendous but the second half sank beneath the ludicrousness of that undefendable decision to risk everything to go north to capture a bag of bones.

It was silly. They had a believable story in that the dead could pass the wall because the Night King touched Bran but didn't use it

Bambi wrote: »

So Cersei knew beforehand that they were going to spring an ice zombie?

See where I'm going?

She knew they weren't calling around for tea:pac:

She wasn't expected a icy zombie but she did know the reason to a certain degree, + expecting the truce.

About why some characters have seen little screen time this season. The producers (in the behind the scenes slips) have acknowledged that some characters and their interactions have had to be hurried along or virtually ignored due to time contraints this season. They've had to chop a lot of what they wanted to tell in order to meet their deadlines.

Regarding the acting performances, it was quite clear - in this episode in particular - that Lena Heady and to a lessor extent Peter Dinklage are a level above the three other main credited actors. Cersei is a bitch but only because Headey manages to convincingly plays her that way. I believe many viewers are indifferent to Danerys because Emilia Clarke can't quite fill the presence that her character deserves.

I think Kit Harrington manages in his role because he has been surrounded by such strong male characters played by very capable actors. Niklaj Coster Waldau does an honourable job of portraying Jamie but that character is inherently sympathetic so viewers can warm to him in an easier way, hence I think any good actor could play that role.

I agree with the comments about Theon. That should be an open and shut case regarding his redemption by now. Hopefully. its resolved and out of the way by the first episode of season 8. And while he may have all the knowledge in the world, you get the feeling that somebody needs to hit Bran with a clue stick!

Will the showrunnners strictly follow GRRM's finale as he plans it, or will they change it up and give the 'viewers' something different to the eventual 'readers' of the books? They do own the TV rights and to my understanding they don't have to follow GRRM to the letter. Obviously this has been the case because they had to condense the books to fit the TV time. but can they change the ending completely?

Penn wrote: »

I think I just copped that Bronn and Pod left the gathering before Cersei arrived because Bronn and Cersei used to date or be married (the actors, not characters) and apparently she won't share any scenes with him.

That must have been one bad breakup...

I was wondering what that was for, thought it was it for the viewer to think there was an ambush coming

Penn wrote: »

I think I just copped that Bronn and Pod left the gathering before Cersei arrived because Bronn and Cersei used to date or be married (the actors, not characters) and apparently she won't share any scenes with him.

That must have been one bad breakup...

I've heard that as well. She's a great actress but that's very unprofessional.

I've been sort of mulling over this idea since seeing the episode this morning; POTENTIAL SPOILERS? LOL

Am I right in saying Cersei made a big mistake not killing or imprisoning Jamie? He can now go north and inform everyone of Cersei's plan so she no longer has the element of surprise. Or maybe enough time will have passed to where it won't matter?

MagicHumanDoll wrote: »

I've been sort of mulling over this idea since seeing the episode this morning; POTENTIAL SPOILERS? LOL

I did fall for the 'Cersei coming to her senses to defeat evil' type thing for a bit, but obviously that was proven false. We didn't see Tyrion 'convince her', so we actually don't know how the conversation fully transpired.

Well if you connect that gap in Cersei and Tyrion's conversation with the slight look of serious, kind of nervousness on Tyrion's face when looking at Dani's cabin - Well I think there might be something to that.

Potentially Cersei could've played Tyrion like everyone else, but I think he's genuinely too smart. So a deal has perhaps been agreed that Tyrion feels guilt about already. Just a thought, could be total rubbish!!

Came here to post the same. Don't think there's need for spoilers though. That lingering look from Tyrion on the boat at the end, and the gap in where the conversation went with Cersei earlier makes me think he made some deal with Cersei.

BTW, how did Greyworm and the Unsullied get away from the Lanister castle? Weren't they under seige?

MagicHumanDoll wrote: »

I've been sort of mulling over this idea since seeing the episode this morning; POTENTIAL SPOILERS? LOL

I did fall for the 'Cersei coming to her senses to defeat evil' type thing for a bit, but obviously that was proven false. We didn't see Tyrion 'convince her', so we actually don't know how the conversation fully transpired.

Well if you connect that gap in Cersei and Tyrion's conversation with the slight look of serious, kind of nervousness on Tyrion's face when looking at Dani's cabin - Well I think there might be something to that.

Potentially Cersei could've played Tyrion like everyone else, but I think he's genuinely too smart. So a deal has perhaps been agreed that Tyrion feels guilt about already. Just a thought, could be total rubbish!!

Its not spoilers anyhow unless not seen the episode.
Tyion look on dani cabin possible reasons:
-> because he fancies/lust for her like everyother fella does on the show. There was a bit in previous episode where he was talking about everyone fancying her
-> because he doesnt think it will end well to mix business and pleasure, maybe he thinks the poeple in the north will think he has been tricked/fooled by a pretty face
-> because he is lonely as he has not girl of his own

nothing to do with cersei as he has been fooled again by cersai "pregnant" story to believe that she wants to help them save mankind

Penn wrote: »

Fantastic episode. Really loved all the little moments between characters who've either never met or haven't seen each other in a long time. Only a few minor complaints:

- Sam and Gilly got into Winterfell (and Sam got up to Bran's room) surprisingly easy considering how hard it was for Arya to get in a few episodes before.

What does this matter? It's easy to make a leap of faith that they explained who they were and were given access.

Good to see the wall fall, didn't expect it to go down so easily without more of a struggle but shows that the night king means business this winter.

Thought the big deal about Dany taking the boat instead of flying north was going to show an ambush from Euron, instead of "sexy" time.

My thoughts
Why
1) does Bran feel the urgency now to tell snow that he has Targaryen blood ..... either it to stop him marrying/riding his aunt or its to ride the other dragon (names after his father).

2) Do the deed with his aunt before he knows the truth. Either its for Snow to get disgusted with himself and lead to him doing something foolish next season or its to get Dany a typical inbred Targaryen child.