All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Robson99 · 22-08-2017 09:06PM

Motivator wrote: »

I think people dismissing Waterford's chances haven't got the first clue what they're talking about. Twice today I had people tell me Falway would win because "everyone is tipping them. Waterford can't beat them".

Nobody knows what way Galway will react when a teams throws down the gauntlet. A, let's be honest about it, disappointing Tipp team ran them seriously close in the semi and I think this Galway team struggle to handle the pressure - something Galway teams have done for the last 30 years. I think when the pressure is on, this Galway team will creak.

After being beaten by Cork in June I was praying Derek would go. It was the worst performance I've seen from a Waterford team in years and there looked to be no way back for them after it. The Cork game was priority number one for 8 long months and what was served up on the day was a joke. Throughout Derek's tenure, his biggest fault has been his inability to react to changes in play during the match. The lack of a plan B and reluctancy to make switches was glaringly obvious in almost every defeat over the last 3 years. However, since the defeat to Cork in June, to me, Eoin Murphy looks to be the reason for the change in fortunes. Changes are being made quicker and there is far more communication coming from the line out on to the field. I think Eoin has been instrumental in this and in fairness to Derek it's working well.

Waterford are coming in to this game being written off by almost everyone. Believe me when I say it the players are fully aware what people are saying about them and they're motivated by it. If you're a young fella in your 20's and you've a chance to win an All Ireland medal and give a middle finger to lazy pundits and knockers in the media while doing so, it's going to give you that little bit extra. The players know exactly what they have to do, they know what's on the line and they know they're capable of doing it.

People say Galway are going to be too good for this Waterford team and that we haven't seen the real Galway yet. I think we have seen the real Galway, we've seen it time and time again. Beating the minnows like Wexford and Offaly and struggling past a well below par Tipperary side. Believe me when I say it there's a huge performance in this Waterford team and I think we're going to see it in Croke Park on Sunday week.

Galway creaked for 10 or 15 minutes against Wexford in the Leinster Final. A half decent team would have done huge damage in that time but Wexford just couldn't as they were cooked after 60 mins. This Waterford team are peaking and I've a feeling it will all come right on the day. Waterford are a challenge that Galway won't have met in such a huge game before and I think they won't handle it.

So much tarmac in the above.
A disappointing Tipp team - Defending all Ireland champions and the team that put 5-19 past Waterford last year
Galway cant handle pressure - kettle calling pot black there. Show me where Waterford handled pressure well in the last 60 years
Praying Derek would go - like 75% of Waterford fans who now think they have found Rinus Michels and they are playing the equivalent of Total football
Galway beating minnows like offaly and Wexford - take a look at who Waterford played this year
The statement on the Galway Wexford game is just drivel. Galway beat Wexford by 9 pts. Waterford beat them by 4.
Seriously take a look at what you write before you post it

threeball · 22-08-2017 09:46PM

Robson99 wrote: »

So much tarmac in the above.
A disappointing Tipp team - Defending all Ireland champions and the team that put 5-19 past Waterford last year
Galway cant handle pressure - kettle calling pot black there. Show me where Waterford handled pressure well in the last 60 years
Praying Derek would go - like 75% of Waterford fans who now think they have found Rinus Michels and they are playing the equivalent of Total football
Galway beating minnows like offaly and Wexford - take a look at who Waterford played this year
The statement on the Galway Wexford game is just drivel. Galway beat Wexford by 9 pts. Waterford beat them by 4.
Seriously take a look at what you write before you post it

Alot of the waterford posts have not so much a feeling of trying to convince anyone else that they're going to win, but more a case of convincing themselves. To say that Tipp display in the semi was that of a team that didnt impress is hogwash of the highest order. Tipp would have taken both Waterford and Cork to the cleaners with that display.

Gleeson making an ass of himself on 2fm earlier saying how the helmet pull was accidental then within 2 sentences saying at least he got out of it. Hes not the sharpest tool in the shed that fella.

Motivator · 22-08-2017 09:51PM

Robson99 wrote: »

So much tarmac in the above.
A disappointing Tipp team - Defending all Ireland champions and the team that put 5-19 past Waterford last year
Galway cant handle pressure - kettle calling pot black there. Show me where Waterford handled pressure well in the last 60 years
Praying Derek would go - like 75% of Waterford fans who now think they have found Rinus Michels and they are playing the equivalent of Total football
Galway beating minnows like offaly and Wexford - take a look at who Waterford played this year
The statement on the Galway Wexford game is just drivel. Galway beat Wexford by 9 pts. Waterford beat them by 4.
Seriously take a look at what you write before you post it

Tipp were disappointing this year. Brilliant last year and disappointing this year. I don't think anyone can disagree with that. I'm a big fan of that Tipp team in full flow, they weren't anywhere near the standards of last year meaning they were disappointing.

Galway have been disappointing when the pressure has been on them over the years. Again, I don't think anybody can disagree with that. I think they should have beaten Kilkenny in the All Ireland finals in 2012 and 2015 and Galway didn't turn up against Cork in 2005. There was an All Ireland there for the taking in 2013 and they bowed out tamely.

Offaly are considered minnows by the majority of hurling people. Perhaps it was a bit strong of me to label Wexford minnows but they are a poor team. Waterford should have beaten them by at least what Galway did. A last gasp goal when the game was over flattered Wexford big time - their own manager admitted that himself.

Yes, I freely admit I wanted Derek to go after the Cork game. There has been a big change in things since that game. Perhaps not in how the players are lining up but in their attitude and their application in each game since the defeat to Cork. Also, there has been a big shake up on the line - the addition of two new faces on the backroom team. It may not look like there has been much change to people from outside the county but I can assure you there has been changes and positive ones at that.

If you don't like what I have written then come back to me with a more mature response instead of flying off the handle.

leestone · 22-08-2017 10:27PM

If you don't like what I have written then come back to me with a more mature response instead of flying off the handle.[/quote]

Practice what you preach then

Robson99 · 22-08-2017 11:01PM

Motivator wrote: »

Tipp were disappointing this year. Brilliant last year and disappointing this year. I don't think anyone can disagree with that. I'm a big fan of that Tipp team in full flow, they weren't anywhere near the standards of last year meaning they were disappointing.

Galway have been disappointing when the pressure has been on them over the years. Again, I don't think anybody can disagree with that. I think they should have beaten Kilkenny in the All Ireland finals in 2012 and 2015 and Galway didn't turn up against Cork in 2005. There was an All Ireland there for the taking in 2013 and they bowed out tamely.

Offaly are considered minnows by the majority of hurling people. Perhaps it was a bit strong of me to label Wexford minnows but they are a poor team. Waterford should have beaten them by at least what Galway did. A last gasp goal when the game was over flattered Wexford big time - their own manager admitted that himself.

Yes, I freely admit I wanted Derek to go after the Cork game. There has been a big change in things since that game. Perhaps not in how the players are lining up but in their attitude and their application in each game since the defeat to Cork. Also, there has been a big shake up on the line - the addition of two new faces on the backroom team. It may not look like there has been much change to people from outside the county but I can assure you there has been changes and positive ones at that.

If you don't like what I have written then come back to me with a more mature response instead of flying off the handle.

I didn't fly off the handle. I just consider what you posted about Galway being bottlers and Waterford suddenly the Ajax of Hurling as pure spoof talk. And even more so coming from one who wanted McGrath out just a couple if games ago.
Waterford have one all Ireland final appearance in over fifty years
And guess what considering you are going back to Galway in 2005 well Waterford getting beaten by was it 23 points in 2008 has to be the most embarrassing bottle job of all time. Even Antrim no disrespect to them put up a much better show in 1989.
So IMO Waterford are the kings of bottlers

Motivator · 22-08-2017 11:18PM

Robson99 wrote: »

I didn't fly off the handle. I just consider what you posted about Galway being bottlers and Waterford suddenly the Ajax of Hurling as pure spoof talk. And even more so coming from one who wanted McGrath out just a couple if games ago.
Waterford have one all Ireland final appearance in over fifty years
And guess what considering you are going back to Galway in 2005 well Waterford getting beaten by was it 23 points in 2008 has to be the most embarrassing bottle job of all time. Even Antrim no disrespect to them put up a much better show in 1989.
So IMO Waterford are the kings of bottlers

Ajax of hurling? Where did you get that out of?

buzzinfly83 · 22-08-2017 11:23PM

Robson99 wrote: »

I didn't fly off the handle. I just consider what you posted about Galway being bottlers and Waterford suddenly the Ajax of Hurling as pure spoof talk. And even more so coming from one who wanted McGrath out just a couple if games ago.
Waterford have one all Ireland final appearance in over fifty years
And guess what considering you are going back to Galway in 2005 well Waterford getting beaten by was it 23 points in 2008 has to be the most embarrassing bottle job of all time. Even Antrim no disrespect to them put up a much better show in 1989.
So IMO Waterford are the kings of bottlers

Waterford have only been in one final in 50 years which was a disaster. Can hardly be called king of bottlers if they have only played one final. Galway have been in more finals and bottled more finals. Anyway all that really matters is the game that lies ahead. Judging by your posts you seem to have a huge disliking for Waterford. That's your choice you are entitled to your opinion. As a Waterford fan I just hope they give it their best and can win on the day. If Galway win then fair play to them I wouldn't begrudge them an All Ireland either.

Robson99 · 22-08-2017 11:46PM

buzzinfly83 wrote: »

Waterford have only been in one final in 50 years which was a disaster. Can hardly be called king of bottlers if they have only played one final. Galway have been in more finals and bottled more finals. Anyway all that really matters is the game that lies ahead. Judging by your posts you seem to have a huge disliking for Waterford. That's your choice you are entitled to your opinion. As a Waterford fan I just hope they give it their best and can win on the day. If Galway win then fair play to them I wouldn't begrudge them an All Ireland either.

Actually quiet the opposite. I always shout for Waterford when Galway are out of it. I was just responding to the other poster who was saying Galway had beaten nothing and are bottlers. I am also quiet amused with the way all the Waterford fans have suddenly jumped into the McGrath philophosy and are finding every description possible to make their brand of hurling sexy
Anyone with a knowledge of hurling will know that this is a seasoned Galway team. They have been knocking on the door for the last 5 years and were unlucky in 2012. Also unlucky last year as I think they would gave beaten Kk if thy had got over Tipp. I think they are 2 or 3 years ahead of Waterford progression wise and honestly think the bookies have it priced correctly.

Utopia Parkway · 22-08-2017 11:51PM

Motivator wrote: »

Galway have been disappointing when the pressure has been on them over the years. Again, I don't think anybody can disagree with that. I think they should have beaten Kilkenny in the All Ireland finals in 2012 and 2015 and Galway didn't turn up against Cork in 2005. .

Those lost finals were against genuinely all time great teams though. Kilkenny when they still had something left in the tank unlike the past year or two and the last great Cork side at the peak of their powers. They were just better teams than Galway on each occasion even though Galway led for a while in the Kilkenny finals.

I actually don't think Galway have lost very many finals to teams they were definitely better than. 1990 possibly against Cork is the only one they really should have won. In the others I think they just lost to better teams.

buzzinfly83 · 22-08-2017 11:54PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Actually quiet the opposite. I always shout for Waterford when Galway are out of it. I was just responding to the other poster who was saying Galway had beaten nothing and are bottlers. I am also quiet amused with the way all the Waterford fans have suddenly jumped into the McGrath philophosy and are finding every description possible to make their brand of hurling sexy
Anyone with a knowledge of hurling will know that this is a seasoned Galway team. They have been knocking on the door for the last 5 years and were unlucky in 2012. Also unlucky last year as I think they would gave beaten Kk if thy had got over Tipp. I think they are 2 or 3 years ahead of Waterford progression wise and honestly think the bookies have it priced correctly.

Everyone knows Galway are favourites and expected to win. I'm sure they will be viewing it as their easiest chance to win an All Ireland out of all the finals they have played in. I'm not a fan of the bottlers tag for any team as often a lot of the current players were not even playing in previous finals. Every game is different. Galway are a great team but not so great that Waterford aren't capable of beating them. I'm biased but I think Waterford can pull off the upset if they get it right on the day.

leestone · 23-08-2017 12:27AM

buzzinfly83 wrote: »

Everyone knows Galway are favourites and expected to win. I'm sure they will be viewing it as their easiest chance to win an All Ireland out of all the finals they have played in. I'm not a fan of the bottlers tag for any team as often a lot of the current players were not even playing in previous finals. Every game is different. Galway are a great team but not so great that Waterford aren't capable of beating them. I'm biased but I think Waterford can pull off the upset if they get it right on the day.

Very true nobody in Galway is doubting if Waterford could win it why 1.great team 2. It's a final.
This expected to win talk is only in the heads of some, Galway should be confident they can win no more so than Waterford who both can base it on form which should be what you look at.

greenspurs · 23-08-2017 08:11AM

threeball wrote: »

Alot of the waterford posts have not so much a feeling of trying to convince anyone else that they're going to win, but more a case of convincing themselves. To say that Tipp display in the semi was that of a team that didnt impress is hogwash of the highest order. Tipp would have taken both Waterford and Cork to the cleaners with that display.

Gleeson making an ass of himself on 2fm earlier saying how the helmet pull was accidental then within 2 sentences saying at least he got out of it. Hes not the sharpest tool in the shed that fella.

You have to take into account the people who had no interest in hurling until they beat Kilkenny.
Suddenly they are all massive fans , McGrath is now a genius , and "how come were only getting 15,000 tickets " .....
Ohh, and "Qzzie got the helmet by accident, shur he said it himself" .....

God the stuff we have to listen to !!!!! .......... :rolleyes:

Hitchens · 23-08-2017 08:50AM

Reading some of the comments here you'd think the final is between two teams of bottlers.

Those of us who are genuine hurling folk know what bull**** that is.

Two great teams in this final and the team who hurls best on the day and has a bit of good fortune will win it.

JimTreacy · 23-08-2017 08:51AM

I find that funny when people say that Galway were unlucky in 2012, Kilkenny took the game by the scruff of the neck closed them down they should have wining in the end only for a free was giving for diving by Galway.

mountgomery burns · 23-08-2017 10:06AM

The final is between two sides who have been consistently close to the all ireland winning teams the last 2 championships. This year they each knocked one of them out of the championship.

It's not a flash in the pan final, both have consistently been close and kicked down the door this year. Its a novel final with two very good teams and should be compelling. Hugely exciting for both counties, so pre game bitterness is surprising and ill thought.

MfMan · 23-08-2017 10:28AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The final is between two sides who have been consistently close to the all ireland winning teams the last 2 championships. This year they each knocked one of them out of the championship.

It's not a flash in the pan final, both have consistently been close and kicked down the door this year. Its a novel final with two very good teams and should be compelling. Hugely exciting for both counties, so pre game bitterness is surprising and ill thought.

At last a voice of reason!
If we're not back in love by Monday we can go our separate ways.

danganabu · 23-08-2017 11:05AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The final is between two sides who have been consistently close to the all ireland winning teams the last 2 championships. This year they each knocked one of them out of the championship.

It's not a flash in the pan final, both have consistently been close and kicked down the door this year. Its a novel final with two very good teams and should be compelling. Hugely exciting for both counties, so pre game bitterness is surprising and ill thought.

And for all hurling fans in reality, I think its a fantastic pairing for the game of hurling, as I said before I think its the first time that the so called big three have been relatively strong and none of them has made the final, and realistically none of them can have any complaints about not being there, both finalists are there on merit.

puzl · 23-08-2017 04:56PM

Look the reality is that if most of us with a stake in this year's final had been asked at the start of the season "who would you like to see win Liam this year if not your own county" the answer would have been Sunday week's opposition.

At least, in the circles I move in, Waterford fans tend to shout for Galway when Waterford are out and vice versa.

All this trolling and hatemongering is just a few loud mouths who can't remain civil or just enjoy being huge WUMs.

greenspurs · 24-08-2017 08:25AM

puzl wrote: »

All this trolling and hatemongering is just a few loud mouths who can't remain civil or just enjoy being huge WUMs.

Does that mean people cant voice their dislike of one of the counties then?

I personally, would immensely hate to see one of the counties win!
I am allowed do that arent i?
I am also allowed post my opinions , as this is a discussion thread !

Bluemallon · 26-08-2017 11:35PM

Waterford AI minor champs 2013 AI U21 champs 2016. With 7 off those 2 panels on the current senior panel . Beating Galway in both finals , would say they have no fear for Sunday week.

buzzinfly83 · 27-08-2017 12:17AM

Bluemallon wrote: »

Waterford AI minor champs 2013 AI U21 champs 2016. With 7 off those 2 panels on the current senior panel . Beating Galway in both finals , would say they have no fear for Sunday week.

This is true but I don't see it having a big bearing in the final. I doubt either team will be afraid of the other in this game and will go down to who's better on the day.

PTH2009 · 28-08-2017 12:57AM

I wonder will Ed Sheeran send a message showing his support for the Galway team ???

That's motivation for Waterford there lol

MfMan · 28-08-2017 01:06PM

If Ed promised to retire from singing and move to a Tibetan monastery should Galway win, it would be cast-iron motivation.

PTH2009 · 28-08-2017 01:09PM

What on earth was Cummins talking about last night regarding the way he lined up his predicted Waterford 15 ??? It was named arseways Philip Mahony in the forwards ???

Hitchens · 28-08-2017 01:12PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

What on earth was Cummins talking about last night regarding the way he lined up his predicted Waterford 15 ??? It was named arseways Philip Mahony in the forwards ???

He's a big fan of ...........himself

:D

aidan24326 · 28-08-2017 01:48PM

Motivator wrote: »

I think people dismissing Waterford's chances haven't got the first clue what they're talking about. Twice today I had people tell me Falway would win because "everyone is tipping them. Waterford can't beat them".

It's a myth that there's loads of people dismissing Waterford's chances. Most neutrals I know are either 50-50 or maybe leaning slightly towards Galway, and most of us Galway supporters see Waterford as presenting a major challenge.

I can see why the bookies would have Galway as favourites but to me this one could go either way and I don't think anyone would be overly shocked if it's Waterford walking up the steps of The Hogan on Sunday.

I said · 28-08-2017 06:33PM

Tickets got pressure off I can enjoy the build up now without the stress of maybe having to drive the country next Friday/Saturday to get them.

zetecescort · 28-08-2017 07:31PM

What chances we'll see "plan b" on Sunday? Think its the first time a long wait will end since they banned the pitch invasions, in hurling anyway

buzzinfly83 · 28-08-2017 08:04PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

It's a myth that there's loads of people dismissing Waterford's chances. Most neutrals I know are either 50-50 or maybe leaning slightly towards Galway, and most of us Galway supporters see Waterford as presenting a major challenge.

I can see why the bookies would have Galway as favourites but to me this one could go either way and I don't think anyone would be overly shocked if it's Waterford walking up the steps of The Hogan on Sunday.

I suppose it's the margin the bookies have Galway to win by. They are 1/2 on the last time I checked. That would sway a lot of peoples opinions. I think most people see at as close game with the majority of them giving Galway the nod to win it.

danganabu · 28-08-2017 08:18PM

buzzinfly83 wrote: »

I suppose it's the margin the bookies have Galway to win by. They are 1/2 on the last time I checked. That would sway a lot of peoples opinions. I think most people see at as close game with the majority of them giving Galway the nod to win it.

That's simply because the majority of people don't understand odds and how to interpret them, even at 1/2 the odds still say that Waterford will win 33% of the time, which sounds about right to me, the handicap has been set at 3 points, again not exactly dismissive as some would have you believe.

All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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