A view from the boundary - off-topic discussion

Tom Mann Centuria · 28-08-2017 5:50pm

Punchy declaration for a change from England. Windies to face 6 overs tonight, chasing 322 to win tomorrow.

Inquitus · 29-08-2017 2:24pm

Windies could have a sniff here 139-2 just after lunch chasing 322

Tom Mann Centuria · 29-08-2017 2:29pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Windies could have a sniff here 139-2 just after lunch chasing 322

Definitely, both these batsmen pretty comfortable.

Beasty · 29-08-2017 2:54pm

Geoffrey's getting a bit worked up on TMS....

riffmongous · 29-08-2017 3:30pm

Looking like it might be a great final evening of cricket. One or two wickets will change everything though

Tom Mann Centuria · 29-08-2017 3:33pm

Beasty wrote: »

Geoffrey's getting a bit worked up on TMS....

Swanny sounds like he's had a few when he's on.

Inquitus · 29-08-2017 3:41pm

Will the Windies have a go at looking like they'll be within 100 soon with 8 wickets in hand.

Tom Mann Centuria · 29-08-2017 3:45pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Will the Windies have a go at looking like they'll be within 100 soon with 8 wickets in hand.

I'm an England fan but It'd be great if they did, and pulled it off. Fantastic for World Cricket if they could manage it, and a huge wake up call for England who I think sometimes believe they're better than they actually are.

Tom Mann Centuria · 29-08-2017 6:51pm

Thoroughly deserved win for the Windies, fantastic to watch.

Rjd2 · 29-08-2017 6:58pm

Such a perfect result.

England were arrogant as that absurd declaration personified last night.

West Indies on the other hand worked really hard and got a well deserved win.

I'd hope the likes of Hope etc can kick on from here and Root and the England boys take a look at themselves. They still win the series, but this is a reminder they are not as good as they think they are and been hyper aggressive all the time is not the way to go. This team needs to use common sense more often.

Royale with Cheese · 29-08-2017 7:10pm

Well I did not see that coming...

I'd have no problem with Root's declaration. You can be sure if Cook was still captain and England batted through the first hour this morning you'd have plenty of people moaning about being too cautious.

Tom Mann Centuria · 29-08-2017 7:21pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Well I did not see that coming...

I'd have no problem with Root's declaration. You can be sure if Cook was still captain and England batted through the first hour this morning you'd have plenty of people moaning about being too cautious.

Yeah, agree about declaration, but there was/is a bit of general arrogance about England, it was the same after they thumped South Africa 1st Test, they acted like they just needed to turn up in the 2nd Test and got their bums handed to them.

Don't mind the arrogance if they can back it up every time, but they clearly can't, an 80% England team is eminently beatable where as the greats could underperform and still have enough to win.

For all that, it took a superb West Indies display of patience, discipline and skill to win.

Rjd2 · 29-08-2017 7:42pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Well I did not see that coming...

I'd have no problem with Root's declaration. You can be sure if Cook was still captain and England batted through the first hour this morning you'd have plenty of people moaning about being too cautious.

You can never please everyone!:pac:

However if Woakes and Broad had batted on or until they were out, they would have likely have not lost the game. A draw would have been considered a disgrace last week, but when they had been outclassed for most of the first four days, it would have been a perfectly acceptable result.

They still would have been in the driving seat going into the third test, but they most certainly aren't right now.

Beasty · 29-08-2017 8:26pm

As a Yorkshireman of course I wanted England to win, but if we were going to lose to anyone I'm delighted it was the Windies. They've been struggling badly in recent years but their performance during this match was superb. Hopefully they can continue to re-build, and equally hopefully England will take this as a kick in the backside ahead of the Ashes

Root's declaration was in many ways the icing on the cake - he was prepared to take a risk in the hope of getting the result. I prefer to see more positive results and fewer draws at this level (which fortunately is the way test cricket has gone in recent years)

Skid X · 29-08-2017 8:44pm

To be fair, I heard a lot more people praising Root's declaration yesterday than criticising it.

If a was a good decision yesterday it is still a good decision, regardless of how the Match unfolded since then.

Credit to the West Indies, that was an impressive batting display on a final day pitch.

Harry Palmr · 29-08-2017 8:47pm

Some fielding sessions are in order.

BBDBB · 29-08-2017 8:52pm

Nothing arrogant about the declaration at alll, it was a genuine attempt to go for the win, with the few overs last night before close a pretty solid tactic and then a full day to bowl at headingley on a day 5 pitch to a side who lost heavily last time out by collapsing in both innings

Fair play and congratulations to West Indies for batting all day and giving us a result at the end of a great test match. Sky stats gave them a 1% chance of winning earlier in the day, a fantastic win for them, they could really do with it after the last few years

Rjd2 · 29-08-2017 9:37pm

Beasty wrote: »

As a Yorkshireman of course I wanted England to win, but if we were going to lose to anyone I'm delighted it was the Windies. They've been struggling badly in recent years but their performance during this match was superb. Hopefully they can continue to re-build, and equally hopefully England will take this as a kick in the backside ahead of the Ashes

Root's declaration was in many ways the icing on the cake - he was prepared to take a risk in the hope of getting the result. I prefer to see more positive results and fewer draws at this level (which fortunately is the way test cricket has gone in recent years)

It was an incredibly arrogant and stupid call. What was Root's justification?

Had he missed West Indies score 429 or the 3rd innings where England made 490 for the loss of 8 wickets?

Did he genuinely feel that 322 of 96 overs was an impossible target? Its a perfectly achievable score which one could target without having to bat to aggressive.

I'd argue its up there with the Strauss declarations in 2008 in the West Indies which were widely derided.
They are ahead in the series, so its not as if they need to force the win.

Skid X wrote: »

To be fair, I heard a lot more people praising Root's declaration yesterday than criticising it.

If a was a good decision yesterday it is still a good decision, regardless of how the Match unfolded since then.

Credit to the West Indies, that was an impressive batting display on a final day pitch.

Thought the declaration was the absolute pits Yesterday tbh also.

Beasty · 29-08-2017 10:27pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Did he genuinely feel that 322 of 96 overs was an impossible target? Its a perfectly achievable score which one could target without having to bat to aggressive.

I'd be staggered if he did. He dangled the carrot, and they grabbed it. He had 3 bites at the cherry this way, and a hope that Jimmy could plough through them early on. Then there were the dropped catches

He took a risk, and lost as a result. Nothing at all arrogant about it, even if he is a Yorkshireman. That's what sport is about and what makes matches like that so riveting

Fratton Fred · 29-08-2017 10:43pm

Beasty wrote: »

As a Yorkshireman of course I wanted England to win, but if we were going to lose to anyone I'm delighted it was the Windies. They've been struggling badly in recent years but their performance during this match was superb. Hopefully they can continue to re-build, and equally hopefully England will take this as a kick in the backside ahead of the Ashes

Root's declaration was in many ways the icing on the cake - he was prepared to take a risk in the hope of getting the result. I prefer to see more positive results and fewer draws at this level (which fortunately is the way test cricket has gone in recent years)

I guess it would be fair to say that the Windies are everyone's second favourite team.

There is such a sense of magic around The West Indian greats that has vanished in recent years, it would be brilliant to see a new Ambrose or Greenidge emerge and bring the sparkle back to Caribbean cricket.

dfx- · 30-08-2017 1:59am

I don't think there can be much blame at the declaration. It was thought to be enough, everyone was thinking 200 was tricky enough. It was a gamble that the WI first innings was a once-off and wouldn't happen again.

Aside from WI deserving the win, England lost this in the first innings. 159 of the runs comes from two players. 99/8 amongst the rest, a supposedly deep lineup of batters. And Root and Stokes were both given chances early on.

England just rely far too heavily on Root, Stokes and Cook. If they don't get runs in tight games...

Tom Mann Centuria · 30-08-2017 8:32am

Fantastic few days for Test Cricket. Bangladesh and Australia going right to the wire.

Tom Mann Centuria · 30-08-2017 8:52am

Bangladesh beat Australia by 20 runs, hard for teams going to Dhaka these days.

Bangladesh first win ever over the Aussies.

Tom Mann Centuria · 06-09-2017 3:18pm

Kieron Pollard was pretty sh*tty in the CPL on Monday, he bowled a huge no ball bouncer, denying Evin Lewis a shot at the second faster T20 ton of all time. I'd hope he gets a game ban or hefty fine, completely unsportsmanlike and bit of a prick move imo.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/41145541

Tom Mann Centuria · 06-09-2017 6:13pm

From Twitter @coldwar_steve Random pic which made me laugh

Loved this game when I was younger and people didn't cheat with their field placings!

Inquitus · 07-09-2017 5:38pm

Windies bowled out on Day 1 very cheaply, 123ao, England 10/1 in response, doesn't look easy to bat out there, a lot of movement.

Derco · 07-09-2017 6:08pm

Yep. A day for the bowlers alright. England 4 down for bugger all

Inquitus · 07-09-2017 6:51pm

Derco wrote: »

Yep. A day for the bowlers alright. England 4 down for bugger all

Probably be less bowler friendly tomorrow, so you'd fancy England to put together a 1st innings lead, who won the toss incidentally?

Tom Mann Centuria · 07-09-2017 6:55pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Probably be less bowler friendly tomorrow, so you'd fancy England to put together a 1st innings lead, who won the toss incidentally?

Windies I believe.

Inquitus · 07-09-2017 6:57pm

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Windies I believe.

Defo a day to have a bowl as it turned out! Wrong choice I feel, with the power of hindsight ofc!

Tom Mann Centuria · 07-09-2017 7:20pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Defo a day to have a bowl as it turned out! Wrong choice I feel, with the power of hindsight ofc!

Yeah, definitely!

Royale with Cheese · 07-09-2017 7:22pm

Forecast is for a washout tomorrow.

Tom Mann Centuria · 07-09-2017 7:30pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Forecast is for a washout tomorrow.

Probably the only way it'll get to day 4 let alone 5.

dfx- · 07-09-2017 7:43pm

That partnership between Hope and Powell is looking better and better going from 22-2 to 78-2 before the collapse.

It was a very intriguing atmosphere in the last hour or so with WI fighting back. England will probably get one of their long line of batsmen to stick with Stokes. huge opportunity for Malan.

Tom Mann Centuria · 07-09-2017 8:53pm

dfx- wrote: »

That partnership between Hope and Powell is looking better and better going from 22-2 to 78-2 before the collapse.

It was a very intriguing atmosphere in the last hour or so with WI fighting back. England will probably get one of their long line of batsmen to stick with Stokes. huge opportunity for Malan.

Malan needs to take his opportunity before the winter tour.

There a great little documentary on guardian website about 3 young Afghans playing cricket in England.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/sep/07/second-innings-how-cricket-is-helping-three-afghan-boys-build-a-new-life-in-london?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1504784309

BBDBB · 08-09-2017 5:27pm

Congratulations to Jimmy Anderson ( the Burnley Brian Lara ) for getting his 500th test wicket

Fratton Fred · 09-09-2017 2:31pm

7/42, nice way to go through that landmark.

Inquitus · 09-09-2017 5:12pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

7/42, nice way to go through that landmark.

Yep, his best numbers in the test he takes his 500th wicket, chapeau sir! Shame it wasn't much of a contest, done and dusted in 2.5 days, a good toss to lose, if England had batted first it could well have been a different result. Good to see the Windies win the 2nd test anyways and show there is still some life in Carribean Test cricket!

Tom Mann Centuria · 10-09-2017 10:01am

Nice send off for Henry

https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/906548975314108418

Beasty · 10-09-2017 10:42am

While we're on video highlights, thought I would throw this one in from the T20 finals day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg4BLbvg5A4

Tom Mann Centuria · 15-09-2017 8:21pm

Bit of English County Cricket "banter" after Warwickshire were relegated.

https://twitter.com/DurhamCricket/status/908730813272985601

Beasty · 28-09-2017 6:19pm

Not looking good for Ben Stokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_RJCiI5R_I

Could face jail if convicted of causing actual bodily harm

Him and Alex Hayles are not going to be considered for selection for England pending an investigation

ECB statement

Harry Palmr · 28-09-2017 6:23pm

I'm not that shocked to be honest - he always come across as someone who could be quick to get a bit tasty with you in the wrong circumstances!

Beasty · 28-09-2017 6:26pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm not that shocked to be honest - he always come across as someone who could be quick to get a bit tasty with you in the wrong circumstances!

The BBC just went through his "record" which is a little "colourful" to say the least.

riffmongous · 29-09-2017 2:58am

He deserves jail for that to be honest, fight was over and he's lucky the guy isn't seriously hurt.

Some good jokes on reddit providing a silver lining though

https://streamable.com/2a26y

Skid X · 29-09-2017 6:02pm

Cricket programme on BBC News Channel & BBC Four over the next few days

Race and Pace: The West Indians in East Lancashire
Sir Viv Richards, Sir Wes Hall and David Lloyd recall the impact West Indian players made on the Lancashire Cricket League over the last 90 years. A story of how initial reticence and racism turned into an unlikely cricketing love affair, which has had a huge impact on both sides of the Atlantic. 30 mins
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b097bl89

Saturday
00:30
BBC NEWS CHANNEL

Saturday
20:30
BBC NEWS CHANNEL

Sun 1 Oct 2017
05:30
BBC NEWS CHANNEL

Sun 1 Oct 2017
16:30
BBC NEWS CHANNEL

Mon 2 Oct 2017
19:30
BBC FOUR

Tom Mann Centuria · 08-10-2017 10:42am

Like he was a golfer with a case of the yips, or he's not great at this spot fixing lark

(I joke of course). Mickey Arthur was not a happy camper.

https://twitter.com/TheCricketerMag/status/916780639688495105

Tom Mann Centuria · 26-10-2017 11:19am

England's women getting hammered in the Ashes. Aussies look way too strong this series with a young team as well, bodes well for them.

caff · 28-10-2017 1:03pm

riffmongous wrote: »

He deserves jail for that to be honest, fight was over and he's lucky the guy isn't seriously hurt.

Some good jokes on reddit providing a silver lining though

https://streamable.com/2a26y

Story now is he was defending two lads from abuse https://m.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cricket/irishman-says-hero-ben-stokes-saved-him-and-pal-from-homophobic-attack-36269351.html

HonalD · 06-11-2017 4:48am

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1124714/are-t20-leagues-making-money

Interesting article. International T10 is starting in UAE in late December with Eoin Morgan captaining a team. That's as far away from being selected by England for the Ashes as you can get!

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