Government playing down Terror Threat in Ireland?

Deleted User wrote: »

It could easily happen here on a much larger scale, especially with those brainwashed pre-medieval primitives in the Islamic world. Our glorious free market keep-business-costs-down-by-allowing-in-large-numbers-of-immigrants-to-compete-with-local- workers-and-thus-lower-wages rightwing political ideology is going to upend this society something fierce.

So, the right wing want to let immigrants in because "low wages", and the left wing want to let immigrants in because "yay asylum/yay diversity", and the center just wants to duck out of the way to avoid the crossfire.

Really I can think of much much more devastating things than driving a van down a crowded street that ISIS (or anyone else) can do....on a 9/11 scale (but I am not going to say them).....these security gaps all over the place and I do genuinely believe it is only a matter of time before something big happens....but I doubt they'd select Ireland to do it in.

BillyBobBS wrote: »

You can't put barriers everywhere, it's not practical. If they want to mow down a group of schoolkids walking down a path going to school they will. Run into a group of people queuing outside a bank before opening they will. People queuing to go into a festival they will etc..

You can't stop a group of people who want to kill "infidels" because their god tells them to.

Also there is zero guarantee concrete bollards would stop a 40 foot truck anyway

I know, and it is quite depressing.

But in fairness most of the truck attacks have been in pedestrianised areas so far is that correct? Apart from Westminster Bridge, but there are bollards galore now in London. REACTION, but sadly people had to die for it to happen.

So therefore it would be sensible to block them off surely.

I know, I know, like Hydra's head they will resurface elsewhere, but why should we not anticipate, rather than allow more people to be killed.

The first bollard protection mechanism was at the US Embassy in Ballsbridge.

That was donkey's years ago. I know that was probably paid for by the US to protect their "territory" from terrorism. But still.

So the rest of us don't deserve the same protection paid for by our own Government obviously.

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

The big attacks have come in major cities and we don't have any major cities.

Because Turku Finland and surgut Russia and Cambrills Spain are such major international cities ?

wakka12 wrote: »

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

The big attacks have come in major cities and we don't have any major cities.

Because Turku Finland and surgut Russia and Cambrills Spain are such major international cities ?

Dublin is a city of 1 million + people and one of the most visited capitals in Europe by British American and other western tourists. Its as major as Manchester or Stockholm or Copenhagen . All of cities have experienced some kind of Islamic terrorist attack in the last 2 years, it's completely naive to say Dublin would never be attacked

wakka12 wrote: »

They don't kill people for the sake of it. Westminster Bridge, Las Ramblas , NoteeDame are chosen as statement locations because of how famous they are and how many tourists will be killed there, increasing the global effect of the attack. They know well that they could go to some rural sleepy European village in France and England and kill a hundred people before armed police arrived.. they know the risks of targeting famous streets and monuments in large international cities. But the attacks there give the global impact that they are looking for

Yes and no.



As I understand it, ISIS is encouraging its followers in Europe to attack anywhere they can, so that the “crusaders” understand that there is no place in their countries where they will be safe.

If Simon Coveney feels Ireland's so safe why doesn't he remove the automatic ramps at the entrance to government buildings on Dawson Street, protecting our bloated politicians and move them 200 metres to Grafton street and protect one of Ireland's main public thoroughfares with 500 times the footfall.

Arsemageddon wrote: »

There is of course a possibility that this could happen here, but the threat is low. The reality of the situation is If someone wants to carry out an attack with a vehicle there is very little that can be done to stop them once they are in the driving seat. We can't physically enclose the entire world with bollards, for example how do you protect people at a pedestrian crossing?

The best way we could prevent such an attack (and other threats to national security) is by setting up a dedicated national intelligence service. It's better to catch these fellas before they can act. The Gardai and G2 military intelligence branch did an excellent job during the troubles, but the threat has now changed.

By the by a failed asylum seeker from Africa drove a car down Henry Street 10-15 years ago injuring about 20 people.

There are only about 3 or 4 places where a terror attack of this nature and on the scale of the Nice attack could really occur and those were mentioned above.

The "Ah shur we can't prevent every attack so let's not try at all" is not just the ruling ideology of every rural idiot who doesn't have to walk down these streets every day its the ruling ideology of our current government. Scary.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Still you need to be proactive instead of reactive. Goddamit why does everything come down to cost. If them concrete blocks keep people safe and manage to even save one life, thats them justified.

But who do you not protect? If you put barriers on Grafton street they'll just drive down O'Connell street. If you barrier there then they'll hit Dundrum town centre, the queues coming and going to the Luas are a huge sometimes. Pick any reasonable sized town at closing time and there'll be hundreds milling around. And next month there'll be 80000 people walking around Croke Park and every other big game or concert in any stadium or town will have people crowding the footpaths. So unless we physically segregate pedestrians and vehicles on every road in the country then people are at risk.

Along with the fact that they'll just pick another method of attack. Don't forget that the Manchester attack was done after the gig as people were leaving by someone who wasn't at the gig, so checking the bags of people going in is the same smoke screen as the liquid limit on aircraft. What's to stop a suicide bomber blowing themselves up in the bag search queue?

Then there's the bigger issue. By placing barriers you are giving in to the terrorists. Terrorism works on fear not physical harm.

Academic wrote: »

For the record, I’ve seen cylindrical solid metal bollards used in Europe. They’d easily stop a truck. They stay up unless and until a delivery truck needs to get through and then they're lowered. It’s a pretty efficient system.

Sure we have them in Cork.

Except some eejit sat on one and fell off it when it went down and sued the corporation.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-awarded-7500-after-fall-caused-by-disappearing-bollard-266948.html?utm_source=androidapp&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=sharebutton