Season 7 Episode 6 "Beyond the Wall" - "Non book readers" - Spoilers from post 2

marcus001 · 18-08-2017 03:36PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Another thing I was hoping to see where Giants in that battle scene, we know the night king has some in his army but there was no sign of them anywhere.

Throw in Giants, a Dragon and an army of undead, things are looking pretty sweet for the Winter Olympic Javelin gold medallist night king.

Giants fighting on an icy lake. What could go wrong?

Doola · 18-08-2017 03:38PM

I'm not sure GRRM (if he's still guiding the writers in the background) cares all that much about the ickyness factor! :-)
We've lived with Cersei and Jamie for 7 seasons for instance.
The writers are really emphasising that there's an attraction on both sides, that it would be wasted effort surely if it came to nothing.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. My money is on them doing the deed next episode!

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maudgonner · 18-08-2017 03:47PM

Doola wrote: »

I'm not sure GRRM (if he's still guiding the writers in the background) cares all that much about the ickyness factor! :-)
We've lived with Cersei and Jamie for 7 seasons for instance.
The writers are really emphasising that there's an attraction on both sides, that it would be wasted effort surely if it came to nothing.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. My money is on them doing the deed next episode!

I posted this on the speculation thread, but I think there's a big difference between Cersi-Jamie having an incestuous relationship and Dany-Jon. Cersei is a villain, Jamie is a flawed hero, with this being his biggest flaw.

Jon and Dany are the 'great white hopes' of the series. They would be held to a different moral standard by fans.

You could be right about George RR Martin though, his icky-metre doesn't seem to be calibrated the same as most people's :pac:

homerun_homer · 18-08-2017 03:56PM

Doola wrote: »

Secondly - there was SO much dialogue in this episode about children and succession lines (even Jorah to Jon about passing the sword onto his children), it sounds to me like there's definitely a Dany-Jon saviour sprog on the way.

I wouldn't put it past this to lead to friction between Jon and Dany when it's revealed that they are related, he is a true heir and can have children, while she can't. Therefore people would look to him as their true leader.

flazio · 18-08-2017 04:01PM

And as I've mentioned before, while the Targeryans and two of the remaining Lannisters are OK with keeping it in the family, I don't think the Starks were too keen and regardless of the blood in him Jon was raised with Stark morals.

Doola · 18-08-2017 04:11PM

homerun_homer wrote: »

I wouldn't put it past this to lead to friction between Jon and Dany when it's revealed that they are related, he is a true heir and can have children, while she can't. Therefore people would look to him as their true leader.

That's an interesting view! We could potentially have Dany having to 'bend the knee' to Jon, which given the last 6 seasons of her banging on about being the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, would be a hard pill for her to swallow!

J. Marston · 18-08-2017 04:11PM

I'm rooting for those crazy kids. Auntie/Nephew or not.

Jon will be probably be a bit put off when/if he finds out, honourable fool that he is, but Dany will be like "My Dad married his sister and I turned out fine, kinda. We'll be grand." and they'll live happily ever after.

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Guffy · 18-08-2017 04:33PM

maudgonner wrote: »

I definitely think that's building to something but I'm wondering if there's a different angle to it. It's pure speculation, so I'll spoiler it.
I think Daenerys will die and Jon will be her successor. I can't see the show endorsing incest to that degree, I think the ickyness factor would be too much.

Ah no... why did i unspoiler. This makes so much sense

maudgonner · 18-08-2017 04:35PM

Guffy wrote: »

Ah no... why did i unspoiler. This makes so much sense

Ah no, I'm only talking out my my arse and I'll probably change my mind about it within the hour, I wouldn't worry :pac:

rossie1977 · 18-08-2017 05:02PM

GRRM said the ending would be very bittersweet.

The Golden Miller · 18-08-2017 05:26PM

....... wrote: »

Id imagine the deed will be well done by the time he finds out he is a Targ, and then itll be too late.

Exactly, just what I was thinking. And you'd wonder with the speed ravens fly in the show, why Bran couldn't have sent one to Dragonstone to tell Jon what the craic was

Loafing Oaf · 18-08-2017 05:42PM

Penn wrote: »

The wights only realised the lake had refrozen enough for them to cross when the Hound threw the rock.

Did this remind anyone else of Pippin throwing the stone into the well in LOTR? Course the difference is, noone is going to tell the Hound to "throw himself in next time.":P

Mr Crispy · 18-08-2017 05:59PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Did this remind anyone else of Pippin throwing the stone into the well in LOTR? Course the difference is, noone is going to tell the Hound to "throw himself in next time.":P

Yes! Although it wasn't a throw done on purpose in Pip's case. Knocked over a skull or helmet or something?

foxatron · 18-08-2017 06:02PM

I wonder which is frowned upon more, riding your sister or riding your aunt. These questions need to be answered ðŸ˜œ

Loafing Oaf · 18-08-2017 06:17PM

Hazys wrote: »

In this episode, you knew the dragons we going to save the day, there was no suspense when Jon Snow and his gang we running out of space on top of the rock.

For half the episode I was like, they can't just have the dragons swoop in and rescue them at the last minute, there has to be some sort of twist here..

yabadabado · 18-08-2017 06:26PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

For half the episode I was like, they can't just have the dragons swoop in and rescue them at the last minute, there has to be some sort of twist here..

That was stupid and could have dealt with it way better than being stuck on a lump of rock in the middle of a lake.
Have them holed up in a cave or pass of some sort.Still out numbered and ****ed but a little less obvious.

Pugzilla · 18-08-2017 06:29PM

Story quality has declined a lot this season. If I wasn't invested in the show, I'd stop watching.

Loafing Oaf · 18-08-2017 06:51PM

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

Yes! Although it wasn't a throw done on purpose in Pip's case. Knocked over a skull or helmet or something?

Yes it was kind of accidental in the film but he deliberately dropped a stone in the book.

wfdrun · 18-08-2017 08:24PM

....... wrote: »

I dont think the insectuous nature of Jon and Danys relationship will matter at all.

Sure we are well used to Jaime and Cersei and we liked Tommen and his sister.

Hey Ant (aunt)!

ziggy · 18-08-2017 08:39PM

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Washout · 18-08-2017 08:59PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Did this remind anyone else of Pippin throwing the stone into the well in LOTR? Course the difference is, noone is going to tell the Hound to "throw himself in next time.":P

not the only scene that reminded me of LOTR.

1) Dragons are coming was like the Eagles are coming to rescue Frodo and Sam from the rock in Mordor.

2) Jon Snow waking up in the bed reminded me of Frodo waking up in Rivendell. I was half expecting Sir Davos and The Hound to come in and start jumping on the bed ala Merry and Pip in the film.

I am being light humored. I found the episode excellent.

Loafing Oaf · 18-08-2017 09:06PM

Washout wrote: »

2) Jon Snow waking up in the bed reminded me of Frodo waking up in Rivendell. I was half expecting Sir Davos and The Hound to come in and start jumping on the bed ala Merry and Pip in the film.

That struck me too.:) And of course the struggle through the blizzard was reminiscent of TFOTR, but that's more generic...

OneOfThem Stumbled · 18-08-2017 09:31PM

ziggy wrote: »

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We have to show Cersei that zombies are real. People may have dismissed them as legend, and she may scoff at the notion of zombies, but a dangerous expedition that cannot possibly be successful in order to abduct a zombie and (seven hells) bring him to king's landing is necessary to show her that the UNDEAD EXIST!

Wait a minute

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Okay, I'll stop now, it's too silly to send up.

Penn · 18-08-2017 10:01PM

Pretty sure the Mountain never died. He was kept alive on the brink of death and Qyburn brought him back in his present form.

Plus it would be far easier for Cersei to believe what happened to the Mountain than the Night King and his army considering they're largely considered stories from hundreds of years ago.

J. Marston · 18-08-2017 10:03PM

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

We have to show Cersei that zombies are real. People may have dismissed them as legend, and she may scoff at the notion of zombies, but a dangerous expedition that cannot possibly be successful in order to abduct a zombie and (seven hells) bring him to king's landing is necessary to show her that the UNDEAD EXIST!

Wait a minute

Okay, I'll stop now, it's too silly to send up.

The Mountain is more of a twisted experiment rather than a zombie. Pretty sure he never actually died.

Edit: What Penn said!

GreeBo · 18-08-2017 10:20PM

They couldn't have survived if they were booked up in a pass etc as the wights don't need to rest, they'd just be overrun.

Mind you, I was shouting at the hound to smash the ice, especially when they saw the first guy fall in (again!)

OneOfThem Stumbled · 18-08-2017 11:47PM

Penn wrote: »

Pretty sure the Mountain never died. He was kept alive on the brink of death and Qyburn brought him back in his present form.

He doesn't eat or drink and even ser Kevan believed him to be undead. Okay the tv series, unlike the books, hasn't actually spelled out that that he doesn't eat or drink, but the lack of mouth on his helmet is kind of indicative that they're following the books on that one.

Brock Turnpike · 19-08-2017 12:08AM

maudgonner wrote: »

I definitely think that's building to something but I'm wondering if there's a different angle to it. It's pure speculation, so I'll spoiler it.
I think Daenerys will die and Jon will be her successor. I can't see the show endorsing incest to that degree, I think the ickyness factor would be too much.

I hadn't thought of that. I have a different angle, also pure speculation, which I'll also spoiler...

I think, based on not much more than his appearance, that Jon is actually Robert's son. I think Lyanna was pregnant with Robert's child when she ran away with Rhaegar. If he was a Targ, he'd have their hair colour.. .

Season 7 Episode 6 "Beyond the Wall" - "Non book readers" - Spoilers from post 2

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