Season 7 Episode 6 "Beyond the Wall" - "Non book readers" - Spoilers from post 2

5star02707 wrote: »

i would say blue fire and not ice. just my hunch

Agreed. Can't see how people think the dragon is suddenly going to be able to breathe ice instead of fire. It'll probably be fire with a blue flame for visual purposes, but it's still a dragon. It'll still breathe fire.

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

Who were the other guys getting killed by the wights? Any far out shots looked like it was just the 7 of them.

Anyone?

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. Can't see how people think the dragon is suddenly going to be able to breathe ice instead of fire. It'll probably be fire with a blue flame for visual purposes, but it's still a dragon. It'll still breathe fire.

Because it would fit in with the ice and fire theme and many are expecting an ultimate battle between then.

It's not that strange to think the dragon could breathe ice imho.

Cianos wrote: »

The blacksmith's very speedy race to the wall, followed by a raven flying the length of Westoros, plus the time it would have taken the dragons to fly North, all to make it in the nick of time for a last minute save (that was shown to be expected for what, 20-30 minutes?). This really validates the time travel complaints heretofore and shows there's no real thought or consistency anymore to maintain the geographic relevance of Westeros that's been crafted thus far to give weight to the world. A real waste for something that gave so much context to the dynamics between the families, the world's history and lore, etc.

You think it took 20/30 mins for the ice to re-freeze? And for the good guys to almost freeze to death? I would say it was at least a few hours...

I imagine whatever it breathes, the flame will be blue and it will freeze as opposed to burn. I don't think anyone expects it to breathe solid blocks of ice, do they?!

fluke wrote: »

The way that whole Gendry/raven things was resolved... I've waited for email responses longer than that.

It's very likely they were there waiting for a day or two. If it took Gendry let's say 3 hours to make it back, google-fu shows that racing pigeons can fly up to approx. 750miles in a day, so even allowing for maybe a day and a half for the raven to reach Dany, it wouldn't have taken her dragons that long to fly there.

So if they were stranded there in the middle of the lake for two days, that seems fairly reasonable. And we definitely saw that they were there for a while as it showed them sleeping. The wights only realised the lake had refrozen enough for them to cross when the Hound threw the rock.

murpho999 wrote: »

Because it would fit in with the ice and fire theme and many are expecting an ultimate battle between then.

It's not that strange to think the dragon could breathe ice imho.

The dragon comes back to life, but its internal biology shouldn't be able to change to the extent that it can suddenly breathe ice rather than fire.

Deleted User wrote: »

The characters themselves were fodder for the battles.

I do think they kinda messed up by not having Thoros die in the middle of the fight rather than having froze to death. They could have had a random wildling be attacked by the bear and Beric burns the wounds, and have him be the one to freeze to death. Then have Thoros be one of the ones who died during the actual fight.

Penn wrote: »

The dragon comes back to life, but its internal biology shouldn't be able to change to the extent that it can suddenly breathe ice rather than fire.

It's a dragon that was just killed by an ice spear and resurrected by a being that is the embodiment of cold and ice. I'm not sure "internal biology" matters all that much.

J. Marston wrote: »

Whose fault is that? Weiss and Beinoff wanted to adapt his novels for TV and they've done a brilliant job of it, Dorne being the only exception.

Thanks to GRRM's writing pace, they've been left with fúck all for an ending.

This is not true as the shows are all agreed and consulted with Martin.

If anything the TV shows now are major spoilers for book readers.

weldoninhio wrote: »

She literally said in the scene that all she'd have to do was take her face off and she'd be able to impersonate her. I don't think anyone would survive their face being cut off.

Nick Cage and John Travolta? AHEM!

The interaction between the Hound and Thormund was comic gold

"Dick. I like it".

"I bet you do"

"I don't hate Wildings. It's gingers I hate".

After Thormund described his undying love for Brienne, the Hound quips "How is a mad c*nt like you still alive?"

Amazing episode all round though. For some reason though, after all the un-realistic events throughout the entire seasons, between "ghost babies", multiple reincarnations and dragons, the White Walkers using the chains to release the dead dragon from the lake was the only bug-bear I have. Where did they source them in the vast emptiness?

HBO have released a still from the scene with Dany and Tyrion as they approach the dragons before she sets off for the wall, on the left is Rhaegal and on the right is Viserion, who seems to be much larger than Rhaegal as it stands.

I wonder how Dany will react to having to fight one of her own "children".

I think a scene where Rhaegal or even Drogon comes back to the wall with Jon on their back as Dany watches from the tower, would have been a great but it would have been very much fan serving the Jon being a Targ line without out right mentioning it, especially as we had Jon and Drogon having a moment in the last episode

GavRedKing wrote: »

Well Melisandre is also a red priestess like Thoros, who I imagine will feature again in the final series so Beric might have a life or two left in him yet. :cool:

Resurrecting Beric, again, would be ridiculous in my book. He's a nothing character.