All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

I said · 16-08-2017 05:43PM

Will Conor Gleason appeal his red card?

ForestFire · 16-08-2017 05:52PM

danganabu wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the helmet issue, this is the Liam McCarthy thread :rolleyes:

Yes we are all allowed to discuss different topics, which is why I pointed out the hypocrisy of those claiming that anyone not from Waterford that was discussing the Gleeson incident was a 'wum'

I never claimed you said anything negative about McGrath, are you denying a sizeable portion of Waterford people did though??

What have the last 100 post been about in this thread -Refs/Discipline/helmets.?
What was the post you replied about in this thread -Refs/Discipline/helmets.?

You are posting on 3 separate GAA threads about the same issue of Refs/Discipline/helmets.

Trying to bring in the perceived performance of a manger has nothing to do with the current discussion and they don't even have a any remote common factor between the 2.

letowski · 16-08-2017 05:53PM

What I have learned from this incident, is that the internet is serious business.

danganabu · 16-08-2017 05:56PM

letowski wrote: »

What I have learned from this incident, is that the internet is serious business.

And only Waterford and Galway people are allowed discuss hurling now, all us other plebs have to wait until next February!

mountgomery burns · 16-08-2017 06:03PM

danganabu wrote: »

And only Waterford and Galway people are allowed discuss hurling now, all us other plebs have to wait until next February!

Lets discuss hurling so. As a neutral, whats your opinion on the match itself?

Powerhouse · 16-08-2017 06:50PM

letowski wrote: »

What I have learned from this incident, is that the internet is serious business.

You must really feel soooooo clever after writing that.

letowski · 16-08-2017 06:51PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Lets discuss hurling so. As a neutral, whats your opinion on the match itself?

Conor Gleeson is going to be a loss for ye, a fine man marking half back and did a good job on Lehane. One would think he would be following Canning around if free to play. Would that be Darragh Fives' next assignment possibly?

puzl · 16-08-2017 07:15PM

letowski wrote: »

Conor Gleeson is going to be a loss for ye, a fine man marking half back and did a good job on Lehane. One would think he would be following Canning around if free to play. Would that be Darragh Fives' next assignment possibly?

I think it'll have to be one of df, tdb or km man marking Joe. It's a difficult propsect either way. They have to worry about Austin and Pauric.

Pauric or Joe will end up top championship scorer after the match, both being only a few points behind Callanan.

I actually think both teams set up in very complimentary positions and the middle third is going to be like picadilly circus with all of the movement in an out of there with players drifting all over the place.

tomwaterford · 16-08-2017 07:39PM

letowski wrote: »

Conor Gleeson is going to be a loss for ye, a fine man marking half back and did a good job on Lehane. One would think he would be following Canning around if free to play. Would that be Darragh Fives' next assignment possibly?

Id imagine so....freeing TDB for sweeper role?

Robson99 · 16-08-2017 09:26PM

I said wrote: »

Will Conor Gleason appeal his red card?

Hope they do and he gets away with it. While they are at it I hope they get to pick whatever ref they want as well seen as they gave a dislike for Fergal Horgan. Hope all the anti McGrath fans from last week get behind them for the final.
Because there is going to be some meltdown among them all when Galway beat them and they have no excuses left

mountgomery burns · 16-08-2017 09:30PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Hope they do and he gets away with it. While they are at it I hope they get to pick whatever ref they want as well seen as they gave a dislike for Fergal Horgan. Hope all the anti McGrath fans from last week get behind them for the final.
Because there is going to be some meltdown among them all when Galway beat them and they have no excuses left

And I hope they've 30 players, and the ref gives them ten penalties, and....

mountgomery burns · 16-08-2017 09:37PM

letowski wrote: »

Conor Gleeson is going to be a loss for ye, a fine man marking half back and did a good job on Lehane. One would think he would be following Canning around if free to play. Would that be Darragh Fives' next assignment possibly?

Yeah, in fairness Tommy Walsh was full of praise for him on newstalk which is great to hear him get the recognition. I know what he did was silly but nobody regrets it more now and Conor Lehane was arguablly the most in form player in the Country until Sunday.

They may or may not man mark Canning. I dunno if Conor Gleeson would have suited him anyway as Canning is a lot bigger than Lehane, Darragh Fives would match up a lot better but you could be taking out of the game. Fives is actually a phenomenal hurler, if he hadn't suffered the injuries he has probably would be considered one of the best hurlers in the Country. His pedigree is undeniable.

How Whelan is contained is probably the biggest question we need to answer, and equally I have been very impressed eith Joe Cooney since going to the Walsh Cup final earlier in the year.

Hitchens · 16-08-2017 09:52PM

TEN GAMES, TEN wins.
That’s Waterford’s all-time senior hurling championship record against fellow All-Ireland finalists Galway, as the counties prepare to lock horns in a 3 September decider for the very first time.

http://www.the42.ie/waterford-unbeaten-record-galway-hurling-3545070-Aug2017/

Deiseen · 16-08-2017 09:56PM

Robson99 wrote: »

I said wrote: »

Will Conor Gleason appeal his red card?

Hope they do and he gets away with it. While they are at it I hope they get to pick whatever ref they want as well seen as they gave a dislike for Fergal Horgan. Hope all the anti McGrath fans from last week get behind them for the final.
Because there is going to be some meltdown among them all when Galway beat them and they have no excuses left

What's your excuse?

letowski · 16-08-2017 09:57PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Yeah, in fairness Tommy Walsh was full of praise for him on newstalk which is great to hear him get the recognition. I know what he did was silly but nobody regrets it more now and Conor Lehane was arguablly the most in form player in the Country until Sunday.

They may or may not man mark Canning. I dunno if Conor Gleeson would have suited him anyway as Canning is a lot bigger than Lehane, Darragh Fives would match up a lot better but you could be taking out of the game. Fives is actually a phenomenal hurler, if he hadn't suffered the injuries he has probably would be considered one of the best hurlers in the Country. His pedigree is undeniable.

How Whelan is contained is probably the biggest question we need to answer, and equally I have been very impressed eith Joe Cooney since going to the Walsh Cup final earlier in the year.

Yeah its a conundrum but as you said Fives is a excellent stickman, so he would not at all be lost hurling higher up the field with Canning. I would say Mahony on J. Cooney and Connors on Whelan. Even though Whelan is 20, he is a very physically gifted player, so I think Connors would suit best.

If I would was McGrath I would look to accommodate one of the scoring forwards from the bench the last day on the 15 probably Maurice instead of Dillon. If Galway's forwards catch fire it would be hard for Waterford to rein them back in.

Moran on David Burke is a huge battle also, so much of what both counties do come through them.

donnem33 · 16-08-2017 10:04PM

Hitchens wrote: »

TEN GAMES, TEN wins.
That’s Waterford’s all-time senior hurling championship record against fellow All-Ireland finalists Galway, as the counties prepare to lock horns in a 3 September decider for the very first time.

http://www.the42.ie/waterford-unbeaten-record-galway-hurling-3545070-Aug2017/

A little context is needed - 8 of those times were before Galway joined Leinster and therefore coming into the game "cold" against a battle hardened Waterford.

Its funny before Galway joined Leinster they never beat Dublin but since 2009 have beaten them twice, lost twice and drew once.

The longer the run of sequences, the sooner it will break. Just see Ireland with the All blacks - it was bound to happen some time.

PTH2009 · 16-08-2017 10:09PM

Hitchens wrote: »

TEN GAMES, TEN wins.
That’s Waterford’s all-time senior hurling championship record against fellow All-Ireland finalists Galway, as the counties prepare to lock horns in a 3 September decider for the very first time.

http://www.the42.ie/waterford-unbeaten-record-galway-hurling-3545070-Aug2017/

It's a good stat as a Waterford man but will mean **** all for the final

All records are there to be broken and the stat will suite Galway more than Waterford. Still have nightmares over the slaughter Portumna have De La Salle in the 2008/09 AI Club final

Bluemallon · 16-08-2017 10:12PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Hope they do and he gets away with it. While they are at it I hope they get to pick whatever ref they want as well seen as they gave a dislike for Fergal Horgan. Hope all the anti McGrath fans from last week get behind them for the final.
Because there is going to be some meltdown among them all when Galway beat them and they have no excuses left

In your dreams Robson

Mulbert · 16-08-2017 10:24PM

letowski wrote:

If I would was McGrath I would look to accommodate one of the scoring forwards from the bench the last day on the 15 probably Maurice instead of Dillon. If Galway's forwards catch fire it would be hard for Waterford to rein them back in.

But the Waterford game plan at this stage is fairly simple, contain the opposition, then introduce pace onto a leggy defence.

Shanahans game is not about chasing lads around the field and his introduction into games this year is almost like a signal to the rest of the team that the game plan has changed.

Robson99 · 16-08-2017 10:25PM

Deiseen wrote: »

What's your excuse?

No excuse will be required. What ref would ye like??

carq · 17-08-2017 07:28AM

Mulbert wrote: »

But the Waterford game plan at this stage is fairly simple, contain the opposition, then introduce pace onto a leggy defence.

Shanahans game is not about chasing lads around the field and his introduction into games this year is almost like a signal to the rest of the team that the game plan has changed.

I'm sure bringing Maurice on is certainly in the game plan. Derek said as much on local radio interview recently

I said · 17-08-2017 07:58AM

carq wrote: »

I'm sure bringing Maurice on is certainly in the game plan. Derek said as much on local radio interview recently

I'm sure Maurice is been told all year he'll win the AI for them coming on a sub.He will be wound up for it.

HurlingRanker · 17-08-2017 08:02AM

donnem33 wrote: »

A little context is needed - 8 of those times were before Galway joined Leinster and therefore coming into the game "cold" against a battle hardened Waterford.

Its funny before Galway joined Leinster they never beat Dublin but since 2009 have beaten them twice, lost twice and drew once.

The longer the run of sequences, the sooner it will break. Just see Ireland with the All blacks - it was bound to happen some time.

The first three meetings were in All-Ireland semi finals, and like you say they brought together a Munster championship winning Waterford against a Galway side playing their first (and last) game of their season.

The next three meetings were during Galway's ill fated spell in the Munster championship from 1959 to 1969. All three occasions were the first game in both teams campaigns, so both teams were coming in cold! Waterford won all three meetings by a combined total of 49 points. In fairness, that was arguably Waterford's greatest ever team winning an All-Ireland, an NHL and three Munster titles in a six year spell.

The next meeting would be 1998, Waterford after losing the Munster final after taking Clare to a replay comfortably brought Galway's season to an end at the first attempt for the 7th and final time.

In 2006, the two were drawn together in one of the two four team round robin groups, together with Westmeath and Laois. Barring a seismic upset by one of the latter two county's, Waterford and Galway were as good as guaranteed safe passage so their meeting only served to determine who finished 1st and who finished 2nd.

2009 and 2011 saw quarter final clashes between the two; Waterford through as defeated Munster finalists on both occasions, and Galway emerging via the qualifiers after defeating Clare and Cork in both years. Two very different games, 2009 saw Waterford win by a point, and Galway were simply awful in 2011, Waterford never looking threatened in a 10 point victory. It was disappointing as Galway looked strong in the qualifiers, defeating Clare by 17 points and Cork by 12.

Hitchens · 17-08-2017 08:53AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

It's a good stat as a Waterford man but will mean **** all for the final

All records are there to be broken and the stat will suite Galway more than Waterford. Still have nightmares over the slaughter Portumna have De La Salle in the 2008/09 AI Club final

WD have beaten Galway in 2 All Ireland Finals in the recent past, minor and u21

danganabu · 17-08-2017 10:17AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Lets discuss hurling so. As a neutral, whats your opinion on the match itself?

I think its a fascinating contest to be honest, Conor Gleeson is an unsung hero of this team in some ways and allows the likes of Aussie and Barron to go raiding, however I guess his loss is offset in some ways by the return of De Burca.

The first ten minutes will be absolutely huge, and I am fairly confident we will know very early who is going to win, Galway will know if they can start fast and get ahead the game plan that Waterford have makes it extremely hard to chase a game. On the flip side if you told Derek McGrath now that the game will be level with 10 mins to go he would snap your hand off - they have the stronger bench and imo are fitter although that is debatable I concede.

Waterford must not fall into the trap of over compensating for Joe Canning, yes he is a wonderful hurler and in the last 15 against Tipp was majestic, but lets not forget that for the first 50 mins he was abysmal and if he was anyone else would have been taken off, no doubt he was Galway's worst forward in the first half -Waterford have made that mistake before with Seamie Callinan and been burnt by John McGrath and Bubbles - Galway also have 5 other forwards each one capable of winning the game.

Galways half back line completely dominated against Tipp especailly in the air, but Tipp were naieve and played into Galways hands, if you want to beat the Galway half back line and especially McInerney run at him and turn him, not nearly as effective when on the back foot.

I know you are from Waterford but I will be 100% honest with you here and hope you respect my honesty when I say I hope Galway win, firstly as recognition of Joe Canning who deserves to win the biggest honour in the game at least once and secondly I fear that if Waterford win that their 'system' will become the norm and the only reason it hasn't so far is because it has ultimately failed to deliver the big prize, if Waterford do claim the Liam McCarthy it will be akin to when the Northern teams introduced the blanket defence and it suddenly became the norm with a few exceptions.

Either way I think its good for the game that we will have a 'new' name on the trophy and that can only be a good thing for the future of hurling - and I think its different than what we had in the mid nineties in that Tipp, Cork and Kilkenny are all relatively strong at the minute and we still have none of the three in the final, that's the first time certainly in my lifetime that this has ever happened.

Motivator · 17-08-2017 11:54AM

I would argue that Brick Walsh is far more deserving of a medal than Joe Canning. An unbelievable servant to the game and has been one of the players of the season so far at 34 years of age.

danganabu · 17-08-2017 12:12PM

Motivator wrote: »

I would argue that Brick Walsh is far more deserving of a medal than Joe Canning. An unbelievable servant to the game and has been one of the players of the season so far at 34 years of age.

Can't argue with that and as I said in the GAA Betting thread he has been superb in the last few games when the pressure was on, a real leader and big game player who despite having very little natural forward instinct hasn't looked one bit out of place, himself and Kevin Moran kept Waterford in the game in the first 20 mins against Cork, their experience will be huge in the final.

Nettle Soup · 17-08-2017 12:41PM

danganabu wrote: »

Waterford must not fall into the trap of over compensating for Joe Canning, yes he is a wonderful hurler and in the last 15 against Tipp was majestic, but lets not forget that for the first 50 mins he was abysmal and if he was anyone else would have been taken off, no doubt he was Galway's worst forward in the first half -Waterford have made that mistake before with Seamie Callinan and been burnt by John McGrath and Bubbles - Galway also have 5 other forwards each one capable of winning the game.

Actually what is the story with Canning? I heard he trained very little before the semi. He looked obviously restricted in movement all during first half and only came into the game when others started slowing/tiring. He must be carrying an injury. Anyone have the details?

Hitchens · 17-08-2017 01:04PM

danganabu wrote: »

I think its a fascinating contest to be honest, Conor Gleeson is an unsung hero of this team in some ways and allows the likes of Aussie and Barron to go raiding, however I guess his loss is offset in some ways by the return of De Burca.

The first ten minutes will be absolutely huge, and I am fairly confident we will know very early who is going to win, Galway will know if they can start fast and get ahead the game plan that Waterford have makes it extremely hard to chase a game. On the flip side if you told Derek McGrath now that the game will be level with 10 mins to go he would snap your hand off - they have the stronger bench and imo are fitter although that is debatable I concede.

Waterford must not fall into the trap of over compensating for Joe Canning, yes he is a wonderful hurler and in the last 15 against Tipp was majestic, but lets not forget that for the first 50 mins he was abysmal and if he was anyone else would have been taken off, no doubt he was Galway's worst forward in the first half -Waterford have made that mistake before with Seamie Callinan and been burnt by John McGrath and Bubbles - Galway also have 5 other forwards each one capable of winning the game.

Galways half back line completely dominated against Tipp especailly in the air, but Tipp were naieve and played into Galways hands, if you want to beat the Galway half back line and especially McInerney run at him and turn him, not nearly as effective when on the back foot.

I know you are from Waterford but I will be 100% honest with you here and hope you respect my honesty when I say I hope Galway win, firstly as recognition of Joe Canning who deserves to win the biggest honour in the game at least once and secondly I fear that if Waterford win that their 'system' will become the norm and the only reason it hasn't so far is because it has ultimately failed to deliver the big prize, if Waterford do claim the Liam McCarthy it will be akin to when the Northern teams introduced the blanket defence and it suddenly became the norm with a few exceptions.

Either way I think its good for the game that we will have a 'new' name on the trophy and that can only be a good thing for the future of hurling - and I think its different than what we had in the mid nineties in that Tipp, Cork and Kilkenny are all relatively strong at the minute and we still have none of the three in the final, that's the first time certainly in my lifetime that this has ever happened.

as Will Munny said ..."deserves got nothing to do with it"

ClanofLams · 17-08-2017 01:19PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Actually what is the story with Canning? I heard he trained very little before the semi. He looked obviously restricted in movement all during first half and only came into the game when others started slowing/tiring. He must be carrying an injury. Anyone have the details?

Had a minor operation on his knee four weeks before game, was apparently only 70% fit.

All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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