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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Roadhawk wrote: »

    Did you watch the video? Cars aren't banned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Roadhawk wrote: »


    According to the Irish times article..deliveries are allowed before 10am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    According to the Irish times article..deliveries are allowed before 10am.

    Im sure they are but not in cycle lanes...:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Im sure they are but not in cycle lanes...:D

    Maybe, just maybe the cycle lane is operational from 10am onwards?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    To be fair there's a clock two doors down that suggests it's 12:20pm and the sun is due south, so that's probably right.

    The lane does have a broken line though, so that might allow for loading or stopping.

    Anyway if you scout around, the maps shown isn't the town centre, that's on the other side of the river. There you can see the streets referred to in the article.

    https://goo.gl/maps/tMuxAFjFjGA2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Fair enough.... still what a great place to live!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    seamus wrote: »

    Anyway if you scout around, the maps shown isn't the town centre, that's on the other side of the river. There you can see the streets referred to in the article.

    https://goo.gl/maps/tMuxAFjFjGA2

    Stop proving people wrong. Spoilsport!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭andy69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    andy69 wrote: »
    The owner of the bicycle hire service in Kilmacthomas says that, even with his 300 bikes, from electrical to child and adult bikes, customers now need to book in advance because more and more tourists come every day.

    Great to see its popularity.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    ED E wrote: »
    Great to see its popularity.

    it really is, fair play to the council and landowners etc for getting together to make this happen. based on the way it was framed on Nationwide a couple of months ago it almost seems like a model project of this kind.

    conversely, the in-laws called into a greenway bike hire shop (won't say which one) recently and found the guy running it to be very rude. so much so that they left and went to another one where they had a much better experience.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Don't believe the hype about Groningen -- it does not have 60% modal share, the inner city has some really poor roads for cycling on, and, while it has done some things well, it is an example of a city with a recent history of building poor cycling infrastructure (ie painted lanes of different types).

    SEE: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/groningen-cycling-city-of-the-netherlands/

    AND: https://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/tag/groningen/

    I'll have a day of freedom before a study tour at the end of this month and while I was half tempted to check out Groningen myself, I'm probably going to accept what BicycleDutch and others have written. Instead I might enjoy myself visiting a city which is trying hard or cycling cross-country on a long-distance cycle route, maybe a new bicycle priory one.

    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Im sure they are but not in cycle lanes...:D

    It's an advisory cycle lane -- in the Netherlands, that means almost nothing. Note in Google Street View: There is no sign at the start of the lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭MediaMan


    George Monbiot on the dominance on car-centric thinking in Britain (goes for Ireland and many other countries too...).

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/01/car-chokehold-britain-polluted-inefficient-transport-system-motor-industry


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,220 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    some serious SEO action in that URL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    Hook having another aneurism about cyclists not cycling in cycling lanes and instead cycling on his road that his road tax pays for??

    JHC!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Nice to know that people not using motors to travel will be totally unimpeded by the works.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/luas-works-on-quays-to-cause-motorists-huge-disruption-1.3170334


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭zurbfoundation


    Lads I'd say there was more info floating around about the the 1975 Rapport Tour then this years Suir Valley Clonmel 3 Day.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,220 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    was sent this by a friend; only just started listening to it, but he says this podcast series is generally good; seems to be much more conversational than normal podcasts.

    https://www.acast.com/thecriticalpath/199-transport


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Off-topic posts removed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Off-topic posts removed

    And there I was trying to be nice. Thanks Jep


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Letters in The Irish Times today on the Fairview cycle path and trees.

    The first is from Donna Cooney of Clontarf:
    I write to you in relation to Hugh Linehan’s article “Fairview trees row shows why Dublin remains a mess” (August 12th). He says some of the claims about the history of the trees are “dubious”. I would refer your writer to the front page of The Irish Times on October 31st, 1908, which devoted considerable column inches to the planting of the trees in Fairview, and clearly demonstrated their historical significance.

    Regarding the claims of nimbyism, let’s make one thing clear: local residents want a cycle path built – just not the current design for one. The campaigners are aware of the facts, have studied the plans, consulted users and experts and submitted alternative design solutions. The issue local residents have is the poor consultation and engagement from council engineers responsible for this plan – and their refusal to integrate feedback from stakeholders into their final designs. If Dublin is a “bedraggled mess”, as Hugh Linehan claims, it is due to poor design and failure to integrate new infrastructure properly. This is exactly what campaigners, including myself, are opposing.

    As a cyclist that commutes daily on this route, often with a young child, I want to see investment in safe cycling infrastructure – but not at the cost of destroying Fairview’s local environment and natural heritage.

    Note: I think she's wrong about the date - the front page story was in the Weekly Irish Times of that week in October 1908, which is unfortunately inaccessible to subscribers in The Irish Times's online archives.

    The second is from Mary Keogh of Dublin 3:
    Well said, Hugh Linehan. It’s time we had some reason in this debate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    I'm not sure is this headline intentionally written to provoke anger at the cyclist in this story or... Well, it definitely is:

    "Cyclist accused of fatal crash with mother-of-two 'shouted at her as she lay dying'"
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/cyclist-accused-of-fatally-ploughing-into-motheroftwo-shouted-at-her-as-she-lay-dying-a3612026.html

    How many people will read the entire thing to see that he shouted as he got up and stopped once he saw she was badly hurt? Awful thing to do to attempt to get a dig in with such a tragic event.

    Bad enough that he wasn't using a road-legal bike but no need to make it seem like he was knowledgeably shouting at someone dying.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    The trial is ongoing. Evidence was also heard yesterday. It's probably worth reading and bearing in mind that the trial is still under way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Miklos


    Just look at the head on him! I was trying to come up with something more cogent to say but the absolute bloody head on him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    TheChizler wrote: »
    I'm not sure is this headline intentionally written to provoke anger at the cyclist in this story or... Well, it definitely is:

    "Cyclist accused of fatal crash with mother-of-two 'shouted at her as she lay dying'"
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/cyclist-accused-of-fatally-ploughing-into-motheroftwo-shouted-at-her-as-she-lay-dying-a3612026.html

    How many people will read the entire thing to see that he shouted as he got up and stopped once he saw she was badly hurt? Awful thing to do to attempt to get a dig in with such a tragic event.

    Bad enough that he wasn't using a road-legal bike but no need to make it seem like he was knowledgeably shouting at someone dying.

    I think the real question is why shout at all? I mean sure there could have been a shout out of fright before the accident (if the cyclist didnt have a bell) but why shout at anyone on the ground? I think its one of those things...only happens once in a blue moon.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,220 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    why shout at anyone on the ground?
    the way it's reported suggests he shouted before he saw whe was on the ground:
    shouted something at the pedestrian before taking a step towards them.
    "The cyclist froze after taking that initial step seeing the pedestrian was still lying on the ground."
    the 'step forward' happens *between* the shout and him seeing her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    TheChizler wrote: »
    I'm not sure is this headline intentionally written to provoke anger at the cyclist in this story or... Well, it definitely is:

    "Cyclist accused of fatal crash with mother-of-two 'shouted at her as she lay dying'"
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/cyclist-accused-of-fatally-ploughing-into-motheroftwo-shouted-at-her-as-she-lay-dying-a3612026.html

    How many people will read the entire thing to see that he shouted as he got up and stopped once he saw she was badly hurt? Awful thing to do to attempt to get a dig in with such a tragic event.

    Bad enough that he wasn't using a road-legal bike but no need to make it seem like he was knowledgeably shouting at someone dying.
    The fact he was on a track bike with no front brake will probably be the most damming and I'd imagine it will go some way to the court finding him at least partially culpable.

    Still some of the reporting is ludicrously biased. I noted another headline along the lines "Cyclist blamed victim for fatal crash"...err yeah I'd imagine that would be the general line of defence (whether right or wrong) in any similar case, whether it was a cyclist hitting a pedestrian or a motorist hitting a pedestrian or cyclist - pure clickbait headline.

    Also note the subtle use of language "mother of two", "victim". Switch that to cyclist death terminology and it becomes "pedestrian who died as a result of colliding with bicycle (cyclist is suffering from shock)"

    Also some of the prosecution claims;
    Penny told jurors: “The crown suggests that what the defendant was doing – riding a fixed-wheel bicycle without a front brake through a busy area of central London at nearly 20mph at lunchtime when hazards, such as pedestrians stepping out into the road, might well be expected to occur in front of him requiring him to react – was dangerous.
    So...like pretty much every other form of traffic

    This was an extremely tragic and unfortunate event. However, it is also a very rare one (thankfully) - still no newspapers sold on in-depth reporting of the other 100 or so deaths a year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Absolutely tragic.

    I don't know that a front brake would save someone if a cyclist were going 32km/h and the pedestrian were going straight across a road 10m from a crossing while on a phone - so the cyclist wouldn't expect them.

    If the pedestrian stepped straight out, even good disc brakes might have stopped the bike wheels but it wouldn't have stopped the cyclist hitting them, I think.

    I know a lot of people here won't agree, but I think 30km/h is too fast to cycle (or drive) on city streets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/bike-boom-popularity-of-cycling-leads-to-overcrowding-a-915598.html

    Can too many bikes be a problem, asks this rather wandering piece. Apparently Berlin has too little money to provide kerbed bicycle lanes, whodathunkit.
    The bicycle boom is causing problems in the German capital, as well. "There is a lack of space on the roads," says Burkhard Horn, a Berlin traffic planner. "The bike paths are too narrow. Sometimes 30, 40 people will be waiting at a traffic light." There have also been conflicts between fast and slow cyclists, because many bike paths -- especially older ones -- don't offer space for overtaking other bikers.

    (snip)

    In Berlin, the problem is slowly being resolved: The city is adding cycle lanes to existing road surfaces. But because money is scarce, there won't be a physical separation, such as a curb, as is customary in Denmark and Holland. The price for this is that cars continue to misuse bike lines as parking spaces.

    But where this journey is headed is well known to Horn, the traffic planner: "We need to reallocate space for bicycles. That is inevitable. The space will be taken from cars."


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,220 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it was interesting to hear at the DCC talk about velo-city, that a lot of the dutch acknowledged that in providing so much for cyclists, it's actually made being a pedestrian in dutch cities difficult; something a lot of the irish who attended were able to attest to.


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