People who see the paranormal; mentally ill, hoaxters, or the 'placebo' effect?

ohnonotgmail · 15-08-2017 11:13PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there?

We now live in a world where we can see silly things happening in the deepest corners of the world due to the amount of our lives that are being recorded and the fact that smart phones are recording everything, yet why no clear, sharp, detailed footage of aliens or ufo's?

yeah it is really odd that the rise of ufo sightings coincided with the invention of powered flight and died off with the invention of HD portable recording

jigglypuffstuff · 15-08-2017 11:16PM

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Read a bit more on him. Reads as a con man. Pushing chop sticks through tables FFS. As soon as the scrutiny increased he made excuses and disappeared.

People that have genuine paranormal ability would be doing mankind a great service by cooperating and proving their powers. They would literally be one of the most important humans to have ever lived. But no, they always seem to get offended when questioned.

Come off it Gerry, that man operates in an esoteric system closed to the public... He tried to bring some of that knowledge to the scientific Western world and was used and abused by two Western students he accepted.. Both wrote books about him and tried to profit from him.. And he was expelled from his school as a result

Actually he never got offended... He documented his abilities on camera before being scrutinised and allowing SCIENTISTS to test him..only for them to be baffled at his feats... Unexplainable then, and unexplainable now to science... However you're welcome to start digging through various esoteric sects of taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Kaballah, and various other teachings of mystery schools... You might find the explanation you're looking for there

Also the man was wealthy....never charged any of his students a single penny and spent a majority of his time healing people for free... So no need for him to lie or cheat... He'd absolutley NOTHING to gain... In fact he himself said he only allowed his abilities to be tested for scientific documentation... It was never supposed to be commercialised or publicised... I guess you missed that

donegaLroad · 15-08-2017 11:16PM

I have had a couple of weird experiences which I can't explain, the latest of which was a couple of weeks ago.

I had an nasty altercation with a guy when I was younger, and 8 years later he was killed off a motorbike.

For some reason, he came into my head for the first time in many years.. and out of curiosity I Googled his name. In the first few search results there was details of the inscription on his headstone from parish records. His 20th anniversary was the next day, 30th July.

I remember a thread on here a few years ago about Loftus Hall in Wexford. Would anyone care to stay the night there on their own?

Loftus Hall

GerryDerpy · 15-08-2017 11:16PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ah come on now, my post was obviously sarcastic. I dont believe he actually has any powers.

Oh no I was just expanding on your point. I was saying I read up more on him, not telling you too.

Cheerful Spring · 15-08-2017 11:17PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there?

We now live in a world where we can see silly things happening in the deepest corners of the world due to the amount of our lives that are being recorded and the fact that smart phones are recording everything, yet why no clear, sharp, detailed footage of aliens or ufo's?

American Presidents, government officials, military have confirmed the existence of the UFO phenomenon for 50 years. If you looking for a White House special announcement, you probably have to wait? Disclosure will be hard, if we have no flying disk, our alien ship to show the world?. Could we even communicate with a non human group from another planet?

15-08-2017 11:18PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there?

We now live in a world where we can see silly things happening in the deepest corners of the world due to the amount of our lives that are being recorded and the fact that smart phones are recording everything, yet why no clear, sharp, detailed footage of aliens or ufo's?

Well, if you think about it, how much smart phone footage is there of top level US military spy planes recorded ?

ohnonotgmail · 15-08-2017 11:19PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

American Presidents, government officials, military have confirmed the existence of the UFO phenomenon for 50 years. If you looking for a White House special announcement, you probably have to wait? Disclosure will be hard, if we have no flying disk, our alien ship to show the world?. Could we even communicate with a non human group from another planet?

Confirmed the existence of Unidentified Flying Objects. No confirmation that they are extra-terrestrial in origin.

GerryDerpy · 15-08-2017 11:20PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Come off it Gerry, that man operates in an esoteric system closed to the public... He tried to bring some of that knowledge to the scientific Western world and was used and abused by two Western students he accepted.. Both wrote books about him and tried to profit from him.. And he was expelled from his school as a result

Actually he never got offended... He documented his abilities on camera before being scrutinised and allowing SCIENTISTS to test him..only for them to be baffled at his feats... Unexplainable then, and unexplainable now to science... However you're welcome to start digging through various esoteric sects of taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Kaballah, and various other teachings of mystery schools... You might find the explanation you're looking for there

Also the man was wealthy....never charged any of his students a single penny and spent a majority of his time healing people for free... So no need for him to lie or cheat... He'd absolutley NOTHING to gain... In fact he himself said he only allowed his abilities to be tested for scientific documentation... It was never supposed to be commercialised or publicised... I guess you missed that

Like I said, I am not well informed on the man.

But you can't deny there is reasonable doubt there. And I have heard of these tricks before.

I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying it is not proven. I would be confident of proving he is full of $hit though. Look at the video I posted for examples.

Cheerful Spring · 15-08-2017 11:24PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah it is really odd that the rise of ufo sightings coincided with the invention of powered flight and died off with the invention of HD portable recording

False UFO's are described by different cultures for thousands of years.

Just a few examples.
14th century painting.

12th century painting. Notice the guy in the corner looking up?

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GerryDerpy · 15-08-2017 11:25PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

I have had a couple of weird experiences which I can't explain, the latest of which was a couple of weeks ago.

I had an nasty altercation with a guy when I was younger, and 8 years later he was killed off a motorbike.

For some reason, he came into my head for the first time in many years.. and out of curiosity I Googled his name. In the first few search results there was details of the inscription on his headstone from parish records. His 20th anniversary was the next day, 30th July.

I remember a thread on here a few years ago about Loftus Hall in Wexford. Would anyone care to stay the night there on their own?

Loftus Hall

Well you were a day out..if your tolerance for a miracle is +/- a day that gives odds of 3 in 365. Not too big really. 1 in a million odds come through every day.

What about all the people you thought about that didn't have a death anniversary tomorrow? Do they not go into your data set for some reason?

Cheerful Spring · 15-08-2017 11:28PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Confirmed the existence of Unidentified Flying Objects. No confirmation that they are extra-terrestrial in origin.

If the UFO don't belong to Russia or America, who is the owner?

Jerichoholic · 15-08-2017 11:28PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah it is really odd that the rise of ufo sightings coincided with the invention of powered flight and died off with the invention of HD portable recording

UFO sightings have never been higher.

jigglypuffstuff · 15-08-2017 11:32PM

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Like I said, I am not well informed on the man.

But you can't deny there is reasonable doubt there. And I have heard of these tricks before.

I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying it is not proven. I would be confident of proving he is full of $hit though. Look at the video I posted for examples.

I've seen and heard every one of them... And besides having both an interest in the occult and esoteric.. The reason I feel that footage is true is the following... What was his motive?

He never wanted money, he was hounded to let people film him, he never wanted the publicity..

In the accounts I've seen of that man..the only solid explanation I've seen has been that he's only tried to help others

So I'd be curious... In your opinion why would a man who wanted niether money, fame attention or recognition show such abilities? In your opinion.. Every charlatan I've ever encountered wanted one or all of the above... Yet he didn't..

The man was plagued ever since with people looking for him to teach them...which he never wanted

Cheerful Spring · 15-08-2017 11:33PM

Jerichoholic wrote: »

UFO sightings have never been higher.

Only 2 to 5 per cent of sightings is considered to be real. There is lot of rubbish sightings on Youtube. Military, police, and airplane pilot sightings are the most believable..

donegaLroad · 15-08-2017 11:35PM

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Well you were a day out..if your tolerance for a miracle is +/- a day that gives odds of 3 in 365. Not too big really. 1 in a million odds come through every day.

What about all the people you thought about that didn't have a death anniversary tomorrow? Do they not go into your data set for some reason?

It was the first time I had thought of him in about 10 years, how much does that change the odds by? Im just saying that I thought it pretty strange, probably just a big coincidence.

GerryDerpy · 15-08-2017 11:38PM

pone2012 wrote: »

I've seen and heard every one of them... And besides having both an interest in the occult and esoteric.. The reason I feel that footage is true is the following... What was his motive?

He never wanted money, he was hounded to let people film him, he never wanted the publicity..

In the accounts I've seen of that man..the only solid explanation I've seen has been that he's only tried to help others

So I'd be curious... In your opinion why would a man who wanted niether money, fame attention or recognition show such abilities? In your opinion.. Every charlatan I've ever encountered wanted one or all of the above... Yet he didn't..

The man was plagued ever since with people looking for him to teach them...which he never wanted

I'm sorry I don't know enough about him but I will say that his apparent good intentions don't change the reality. There is big enough holes in his abilities that it doesn't matter.

Besides, some people just want 15 mins of fame. He got it.

GerryDerpy · 15-08-2017 11:40PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

It was the first time I had thought of him in about 10 years, how much does that change the odds by? Im just saying that I thought it pretty strange, probably just a big coincidence.

Doesn't change the odds because he has an anniversary every year.

ceadaoin. · 15-08-2017 11:59PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

It was the first time I had thought of him in about 10 years, how much does that change the odds by? Im just saying that I thought it pretty strange, probably just a big coincidence.

Or maybe you thought of him other times and only remember that instance because you decided to Google him and discovered that the anniversary was approaching? I always seem to look at the clock when the time is 11.11. In reality though I also look at the clock dozens of other times a day but only that one sticks in my head. A bit like the baader meinhof effect.

jigglypuffstuff · 16-08-2017 12:02AM

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Besides, some people just want 15 mins of fame. He got it.

I'm sorry Gerry, but I'd highly doubt that..the footage itself is close to 30 years old, and the man that documented it is an anthropologist.. The former was unaware the original footage was aired....

The later footage was documented at the request of the man in question as he'd claimed to have had a revelation after a 2 year retreat alone in the Borneo Jungle( confirmed by his western students accounts) and wanted to document just enough of himself to show the world we are greater than we believe..

That is why the scientists were present.to rule out trickery ...not to mention the fact that the man who took the footage is himself a scientist

Tldr ; a bunch of scientists didn't stand around facilitating a charlatan... They just had no idea how to explain what they witnessed... And still don't to this day...almost 3 decades later

Carry · 16-08-2017 12:11AM

Believing in the paranormal is in my opinion just a kind of relief mechanism of a mind that can't (or don't want to) cope anymore with reality.

You see, I've had a shítty couple of days, because my house is haunted:
First my tumble dryer made crunching noises and then gave up.
Then my strimmer started mid-cutting to emit wisps of smoke, made wheezing noises and died.
Then my car started to make strange grating noises, too, and refused to brake properly and finally refused to start in the first place.
And just now my immersion started to screech ...
All in three days. Noises. Poltergeists. What else could it be?

I just want to curl up and believe in ghosts. Organising repairs or replacements, calling mechanics and stuff like that is just so tiring. One ghost for several mishaps is far easier to handle.

On another note: My very religious neighbour told me that there are demons around which you have to fight every day.
Sure, I said, everyone has their demons to fight.
No, he said, they are real, like real physical, with horns, hoofs, tails and all. (No, he didn't take the píss, he is dead serious).
He is a trained pilot ...

fineso.mom · 16-08-2017 12:16AM

Who wants to chip in and buy the OP his very own thread for all his questions. 117 threads in less than a year. Surely one big one would be more economical?

Spider Web · 16-08-2017 12:52AM

I'd say that sleep paralysis thing, where sounds and even apparitions appear to the person in a partial state of sleep/being awake but they can't move, could be the explanation for some experiences of haunting.

jigglypuffstuff · 16-08-2017 12:54AM

Spider Web wrote: »

I'd say that sleep paralysis thing, where sounds and even apparitions appear to the person in a partial state of sleep/being awake but they can't move, could be the explanation for some experiences of haunting.

Sleep paralysis is a f****** nightmare it's terrifying and I couldn't give two f**** what anyone says I know what I felt and saw...I screamed so loud but nothing came out

Terrifying

Spider Web · 16-08-2017 12:56AM

pone2012 wrote: »

Sleep paralysis is a f****** nightmare

Literally. Yeah absolutely terrifying. Feels so real.

namloc1980 · 16-08-2017 01:10AM

Had a few episodes of sheep paralysis a good few years ago. Such a terrifying experience.

LETHAL LADY · 16-08-2017 01:20AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Had a few episodes of sheep paralysis a good few years ago. Such a terrifying experience.

Baa...you dirty yolk!

jigglypuffstuff · 16-08-2017 01:22AM

Spider Web wrote: »

Literally. Yeah absolutely terrifying. Feels so real.

Even moreso when you've marks on you after it happened

16-08-2017 01:55AM

What I found with sleep paralysis is that once you realise what it is, or most likely is, just some part of your brain waking up early, it's not so terrifying at all. It's still unsettling but then even in the dream I can recognise it and as soon as I wake up I barely even remember them anymore and go back to sleep

Hoboo · 16-08-2017 02:24AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

donegaLroad wrote: »

It was the first time I had thought of him in about 10 years, how much does that change the odds by? Im just saying that I thought it pretty strange, probably just a big coincidence.

Or maybe you thought of him other times and only remember that instance because you decided to Google him and discovered that the anniversary was approaching? I always seem to look at the clock when the time is 11.11. In reality though I also look at the clock dozens of other times a day but only that one sticks in my head. A bit like the baader meinhof effect.

Haha, wait till you start seeing it everywhere, not just clocks. Had me up the walls for 6 months and then completely stopped. Car reg's, numbers on tickets, receipts, bank statements, electricity bill, I mean everywhere. 11:11 non stop. Sometimes multiple occurances a day. Happens to lots of people.

Your Face · 16-08-2017 04:00AM

Well I've never seen John Cena but I know he's there.

Explain that Mr. Scientist.

People who see the paranormal; mentally ill, hoaxters, or the 'placebo' effect?

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