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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Nodster


    Worked 9 - 5.45 all my life, but when the recession kicked in I opted to work a 4 day week (which suited me fine for a few years until the company folded), now I do three days a week in the local Men's Shed and working on some pretty cool projects.....happy as Larry ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    People spend an eternity searching for the Holy Grail.

    Few find it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    snowflaker wrote: »
    If they weren't working they would notice the effect very quickly.

    Of not having cash, yes absolutely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭SwD


    Of not having cash, yes absolutely.

    Sure isn't that what welfare is for?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Of not having cash, yes absolutely.

    and of feeling without purpose in their life, and a sense of self worth.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,614 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    wally1990 wrote: »
    http://extra.ie/news/irish-news/family-of-ten-were-on-too-much-welfare-to-get-a-home

    A couple whose sole income from welfare payments totals €48,000 have taken a court case over getting pushed off the waiting list for a council house after having their eighth child

    Families like this contribute NOTHING to society at all.
    They will always be a drain on resources.
    They will pay small amounts of tax over their lifetime, ans likely their kids will do the same.

    A country can't continue to subsidise folk like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Btw I don't really mean to turn this into a welfare bashing thread (though I certainly have my issues around that) I'm more referring to the fact that working 40 plus hours a week and taking you away from your family etc etc we are supposedly a first world country after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Work to live not live to work. Everybody here works in a different role than the other. Some do 12/10/8 hours shifts. Its all about what your doing when your not working and if your happy with that the work part tends to be not so bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Anyway, work your life away while the founder becomes rich
    Entrepreneurship is honestly the only viable solution that I can see as I don't see a life on social welfare as particularly fulfilling either.

    The founder took risks to try and make it... Many try and many fail. Perhaps when you have a job you'll see that there's a trade off....... High risk high reward or high failure rate as a self employed "entrepreneur".... Or be an employee with less risk less reward and guaranteed wages in the bank every month. Owing your own business is no walk in the park despite what you may believe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭LadyMacBeth_


    I'm considering the option of becoming a morbidly obese cam girl who gets paid to eat and sit on men. Sounds like a dream come true to be honest :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭SwD


    AidoEirE wrote: »
    Work to live not live to work.

    Do we live to work or work to live.

    That is the question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    I'm considering the option of becoming a morbidly obese cam girl who gets paid to eat and sit on men. Sounds like a dream come true to be honest :pac:

    Would that be taxable????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    screamer wrote: »
    The founder took risks to try and make it... Many try and many fail. Perhaps when you have a job you'll see that there's a trade off....... High risk high reward or high failure rate as a self employed "entrepreneur".... Or be an employee with less risk less reward and guaranteed wages in the bank every month. Owing your own business is no walk in the park despite what you may believe.

    I think I'd feel better about myself trying to become an entrepreneur and failing, then never trying and never really knowing.

    Yeah, making a business grow and succeed is an immense challenge and comes with a mountain of work. If it does work though..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭SwD


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Needle. Haystack.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    Young and bitter or realistic and future focused?

    Why are you committed to working a job you don't like? Why don't you do something you enjoy?

    I firmly believe that people need a purpose, men especially. So many stories of men who withered away after retirement with no purpose left. That's what makes Men's shed such a great outlet. The happiest people I know are those who make or create things or solve problems.

    SwD wrote: »
    Do we live to work or work to live.

    That is the question.
    They are not mutually exclusive. If they were then everyone would quit their job once they made enough to live on.
    Personally I love my job. I'd do it for half the pay and I'm planning on freelancing in my spare time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    SwD wrote: »
    Do we live to work or work to live.

    That is the question.

    I need cash to live, so if its a 39 hour week to do that and have everything paid im happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Notwithstanding the question of living on welfare (or put another way, people living off the collective work of the rest of society) I find the notion of 'work' as a concept invented by capitalism/modern life as a rather absurd one. Humans have always had to scrabble around in the dirty to find sustenance and shelter, never mind the kind of luxuries we have today. There's no escaping the necessity of struggling for your existence (unless of course you are lucky enough to be born into a situation where you have enough capital accrued) so that just leaves the question of how our society organizes who does and doesn't work and how we arrange the kind of work that is to be done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    snowflaker wrote: »
    and of feeling without purpose in their life, and a sense of self worth.

    Which could of course be substituted by raising family, improving yourself through study.

    Why do those things you mentioned need to revolve around work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭SwD


    eeguy wrote: »
    They are not mutually exclusive. If they were then everyone would quit their job once they made enough to live on.

    I think its called Retirement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Which could of course be substituted by raising family, improving yourself through study.

    Why do those things you mentioned need to revolve around work?

    You don't spend 30+ years doing either of those things


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭SwD


    AidoEirE wrote: »
    I need cash to live, so if its a 39 hour week to do that and have everything paid im happy.

    Its really about utilising your free time.

    You can't complain about not living if you finish work and spend the evening chomping on caramel Freddos, watching Netflix.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    SwD wrote: »
    I think its called Retirement.

    Really? Why does Warren Buffet work, or Mark Zuckerberg?

    Maybe they like their jobs. Plenty work on beyond retirement. Plenty are forced to retire against their wishes.

    All the retired lads I know still work in one form or another. You can't spend 20 plus years traveling or spending time with the family. The only difference is now they're working for free and for their own benefit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    SwD wrote: »
    Its really about utilising your free time.

    You can't complain about not living if you finish work and spend the evening chomping on caramel Freddos, watching Netflix.

    Chocolate Freddos ftw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    SwD wrote: »
    Its really about utilising your free time.

    You can't complain about not living if you finish work and spend the evening chomping on caramel Freddos, watching Netflix.

    Exactly my point. To each their own, but its only 8 hours in a day ( for me ) Plenty to get done within the day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭SwD


    eeguy wrote: »
    Really? Why does Warren Buffet work, or Mark Zuckerberg?

    Maybe they like their jobs. Plenty work on beyond retirement. Plenty are forced to retire against their wishes.

    Maybe to them its not work. 'Work' in this threads sense is perceived as some unwanted chore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭SwD


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Chocolate Freddos ftw

    Variety is the spice of life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    eeguy wrote: »
    Why are you committed to working a job you don't like? Why don't you do something you enjoy?

    I firmly believe that people need a purpose, men especially. So many stories of men who withered away after retirement with no purpose left. That's what makes Men's shed such a great outlet. The happiest people I know are those who make or create things or solve problems.

    I enjoy my college course but probably won't enjoy the job that will accompany it.

    I agree with needing purpose, but how many people can say their job is their passion in life? That's why I have such an issue with so many mundane jobs and the mindset of get a job, pays taxes, retire and eventually die.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Notwithstanding the question of living on welfare (or put another way, people living off the collective work of the rest of society) I find the notion of 'work' as a concept invented by capitalism/modern life as a rather absurd one. Humans have always had to scrabble around in the dirty to find sustenance and shelter, never mind the kind of luxuries we have today. There's no escaping the necessity of struggling for your existence (unless of course you are lucky enough to be born into a situation where you have enough capital accrued) so that just leaves the question of how our society organizes who does and doesn't work and how we arrange the kind of work that is to be done.
    Well we need not ponder it too much. Computer programs automation and artificial intelligence will ensure hundreds of thousands of people's skillsets can be replaced by computerised solutions. It'll happen it's just a matter of time it's already happening with things like self service checkouts.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭LadyMacBeth_


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Would that be taxable????

    Pretty sure I could do it under the counter :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭messy tessy


    SwD wrote: »
    Variety is the spice of life.

    Yeh but caramel Freddos are just not nice.


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