All Ireland Senior Football Championships 2017 - Read Mod Note Post #1

STB. · 05-08-2017 07:31PM

Handicap was -13 @ 7/4 with PP, but generally -9 at 10/11.

4 minutes for the dubs to beat it.

1-19 to 0-12 (FT)

10.

PeterTheNinth · 05-08-2017 07:32PM

Jim Gavin post match
"We knew that Monaghan weren't gonna make it easy for us today"

Are Am Eye · 05-08-2017 07:35PM

well done to the umpire (/linesman?) who spotted the corner back groggy/concussed.

SecretsOfEarth · 05-08-2017 07:37PM

What a dishcloth of a game.

PeterTheNinth · 05-08-2017 07:39PM

I'd just like to thank Sky for saving me from wasting my afternoon watching those to matches.

S. Goodspeed · 05-08-2017 07:39PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Dublin are an all time great team they make everyone look poor

Are they really an "all time great team" though or is the standard of football across the country just particularly low? What makes me question their greatness is Mayo pushing them so close a number of times. You can call Mayo a lot of things but a "great team" they are not. Kerry are relatively average by their extremely lofty standards, the Nordies are a shadow of the 00s teams and Meath / Cork / Galway are as bad as they have been in years.

I think when it's all said and done these Dubs will be considered one of the best but all the scaremongering about them being unbeatable for years to come is nonsense, new good sides come and go and there are a lot of counties long over due one.

Are Am Eye · 05-08-2017 07:42PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I'd just like to thank Sky for saving me from wasting my afternoon watching those to matches.

You missed Rachel Riley.

Are Am Eye · 05-08-2017 07:44PM

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Kerry are relatively average

I'm actually lost for words.

PeterTheNinth · 05-08-2017 07:46PM

Surely makes a very difficult post season discussion for McGeeney. I mean they got over Kildare and thought they were making progress. But very hard to think about how much progress you've made with a scoreline like that.

namloc1980 · 05-08-2017 07:48PM

I've seen more intensity and desire in U8 street league games.

BonnieSituation · 05-08-2017 07:51PM

PARlance wrote: »

Oh don't tease me, the in-laws are from Tralee.

You married in? You sadist!

SecretsOfEarth · 05-08-2017 07:55PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I'm actually lost for words.

It appears that you lost some words from what that poster said too. They said that, by the county's high standards, the Kerry team of the current era would be considered pretty average. This is true. The team has gotten stronger recently in terms of panel depth, but to say it is one of the finer Kerry teams would be generous.

Patser · 05-08-2017 07:58PM

Donegal beat Dublin in 2014 by sticking to a rigid defend and counter tactics that the Dubs walked into. Since then underdogs have decided that is the way to go. That'll work. As if the Dubs will never learn a lesson and adapt. Over 3 years they'll always fall into that trap, or else the other mantra of keep it respectable.

Kerry believe and fight equally and have this years league title to show for it. Mayo believe (but always just short) and have replays and close, close games to show for it. Tyrone will always go for it.

But too many teams against Dublin or Kerry or Tyrone lack belief and stick to the once in a generation Donegal charm of defend like feck, even when losing. It makes for terrible games as teams meekly surrender while 'keeping it respectable'

Meanwhile Roscommon, based on a team of youngsters who don't know they're meant to lose have a provincial title and a chance of a semi final.

Jayop · 05-08-2017 08:06PM

Conor Lane good for six or seven Dublin points. What's annoying about it is they're good enough to hammer teams without joke shop referees but they still get the help in every single game. Tyrone will need to allow for at least 4 points from the ref in the next game. Probably a dodgy black or two as well.

Are Am Eye · 05-08-2017 08:09PM

SecretsOfEarth wrote: »

It appears that you lost some words from what that poster said too. They said that, by the county's high standards, the Kerry team of the current era would be considered pretty average. This is true. The team has gotten stronger recently in terms of panel depth, but to say it is one of the finer Kerry teams would be generous.

Really? With an inside line of Geany, O'Donoghue and Donaghy. Paul Murphy back the field from them, Moran and Jack Barry in the middle; Morley at centre back, Griffin and Enright in their full back line. This team will be here for a few years and they could win plenty of AI, starting this year. I would put them behind the noughties team at the moment only on account of not having grabbed silverware yet, but they absolutely match up to Kerry teams back the generations.

C__MC · 05-08-2017 08:14PM

Patser wrote: »

Donegal beat Dublin in 2014 by sticking to a rigid defend and counter tactics that the Dubs walked into. Since then underdogs have decided that is the way to go. That'll work. As if the Dubs will never learn a lesson and adapt. Over 3 years they'll always fall into that trap, or else the other mantra of keep it respectable.

Kerry believe and fight equally and have this years league title to show for it. Mayo believe (but always just short) and have replays and close, close games to show for it. Tyrone will always go for it.

But too many teams against Dublin or Kerry or Tyrone lack belief and stick to the once in a generation Donegal charm of defend like feck, even when losing. It makes for terrible games as teams meekly surrender while 'keeping it respectable'

Meanwhile Roscommon, based on a team of youngsters who don't know they're meant to lose have a provincial title and a chance of a semi final.

Plus 1. Pundits and opposition think Dublin are still vulnerable to what Donegal did to them. Not a chance that will happen again.

SecretsOfEarth · 05-08-2017 08:33PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Really? With an inside line of Geany, O'Donoghue and Donaghy. Paul Murphy back the field from them, Moran and Jack Barry in the middle; Morley at centre back, Griffin and Enright in their full back line. This team will be here for a few years and they could win plenty of AI, starting this year. I would put them behind the noughties team at the moment only on account of not having grabbed silverware yet, but they absolutely match up to Kerry teams back the generations.

On paper it is a fantastic line up but I don't have full confidence in them. The defence can be particularly fragile, especially when run at - they often don't have the pace and so throw in sloppy tackles which lead to easy frees or penalties. The half forward line is another area for concern imo, it's often immobile and slow to push forward.

Granted, the full forward line is threatening and one of Kerry's best in years, and I will have much more confidence in the team if and when they work together to the best of their ability - until then, I'm wary of them.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 05-08-2017 08:35PM

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Are they really an "all time great team" though or is the standard of football across the country just particularly low? What makes me question their greatness is Mayo pushing them so close a number of times. You can call Mayo a lot of things but a "great team" they are not. Kerry are relatively average by their extremely lofty standards, the Nordies are a shadow of the 00s teams and Meath / Cork / Galway are as bad as they have been in years.

I think when it's all said and done these Dubs will be considered one of the best but all the scaremongering about them being unbeatable for years to come is nonsense, new good sides come and go and there are a lot of counties long over due one.

They've won 4 in 6 years and going for 5 in 7.That makes them an all time great team.

The talent level they have and the depth of their panel makes them an all time great team.

The Mayo teams they've beaten are well ahead of the Mayo teams that Kerry beat in finals in the 00's and nobody disputes that Kerry in the 00's were a great team.

Tigger · 05-08-2017 08:40PM

Jayop wrote: »

Conor Lane good for six or seven Dublin points. What's annoying about it is they're good enough to hammer teams without joke shop referees but they still get the help in every single game. Tyrone will need to allow for at least 4 points from the ref in the next game. Probably a dodgy black or two as well.

Jaylop you know nothing

Dyr · 05-08-2017 08:43PM

Monaghan nearly stuck two in on dublin by actually playing football, Dublins forward line is not as potent as it has been, you think teams with decent players would risk it, the blanket is'nt going to save you

Shutting up shop and letting Dublin knock 8 points over unanswered is a waste of time

corny · 05-08-2017 08:56PM

Bambi wrote: »

Monaghan nearly stuck two in on dublin by actually playing football, Dublins forward line is not as potent as it has been, you think teams with decent players would risk it, the blanket is'nt going to save you

Shutting up shop and letting Dublin knock 8 points over unanswered is a waste of time

Dublin and Tyrone get men behind ball yet manage to attack efficiently. Surely thats the template to copy?

Committing numbers forward sounds great for the minnows but it isn't best practice. Like it or loathe it defending in numbers is what you build your team on these days.

jam83 · 05-08-2017 09:16PM

I don't know if it was mentioned here during the Dublin match but dean rocks goal to me looked like more of a throw than anything. Ball coming to him at an angle that's almost behind him. Ryan mchugh scored one similar in the semi final donegal won against Dublin a few years ago.If the ball is slightly behind the player then wrapping the fingers around the ball is the only way to guide it at pace into the goal.

tanko · 05-08-2017 09:23PM

jam83 wrote: »

I don't know if it was mentioned here during the Dublin match but dean rocks goal to me looked like more of a throw than anything. Ball coming to him at an angle that's almost behind him. Ryan mchugh scored one similar in the semi final donegal won against Dublin a few years ago.If the ball is slightly behind the player then wrapping the fingers around the ball is the only way to guide it at pace into the goal.

True, this crack of almost catching the ball with open hands and basically throwing it into the net is a foul as far as i know yet refs keep turning a blind eye to it.

Patser · 05-08-2017 09:29PM

corny wrote: »

Dublin and Tyrone get men behind ball yet manage to attack efficiently. Surely thats the template to copy?

Committing numbers forward sounds great for the minnows but it isn't best practice. Like it or loathe it defending in numbers is what you build your team on these days.

But that's exactly it. Modern football is about getting men behind the ball and attacking at speed before the others can get set. It's not just about throwing men forward and leaving yourself open.

But too many teams think 14 men back and 3 going up to counter will do. It won't. Watch Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone. Half forwards come back to defend, so big defence but half backs join attack. So when other team packs their 45, they'll still have 9-10 players up offering options.

That's the difference 12/13 man defence quickly into 11 man attack fir best teams. Which requires a lot of fitness. While other teams play 14/15 back in own half in to 6 if you're lucky counter, attack breaks down, no support, quick back to defence..

Are Am Eye · 05-08-2017 09:31PM

SecretsOfEarth wrote: »

On paper it is a fantastic line up but I don't have full confidence in them. The defence can be particularly fragile, especially when run at - they often don't have the pace and so throw in sloppy tackles which lead to easy frees or penalties. The half forward line is another area for concern imo, it's often immobile and slow to push forward.

Granted, the full forward line is threatening and one of Kerry's best in years, and I will have much more confidence in the team if and when they work together to the best of their ability - until then, I'm wary of them.

Oh well if you dont have confidence in them...I didn't factor that in - relatively bad kerry team it is then.

Jayop · 05-08-2017 10:08PM

Just reading now that Cooper had a dive. At the time I thought McManus nailed him but no, it was a dive. I wonder will o'rourke be calling him out the way he did McCann or will he be still getting stick for it I'm three years.

Will he ****. Won't be a word about it as usual.

The Talking Bread · 05-08-2017 10:14PM

Jayop wrote: »

Just reading now that Cooper had a dive. At the time I thought McManus nailed him but no, it was a dive. I wonder will o'rourke be calling him out the way he did McCann or will he be still getting stick for it I'm three years.

Will he ****. Won't be a word about it as usual.

I really hope there won't be, sick of every incident like this turning into a circus! There has been more time spent talking about discipline and media campaigns against counties/players than football itself.

And God, forbid, if the media do get on the back of Cooper, we will have to endure another 2 months of Dubs fans moaning about everyone being out to get them!!

Cooper knows what he done. If he doesn't care, let him be.

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-08-2017 10:17PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I really hope there won't be, sick of every incident like this turning into a circus! There has been more time spent talking about discipline and media campaigns against counties/players than football itself.

And God, forbid, if the media do get on the back of Cooper, we will have to endure another 2 months of Dubs fans moaning about everyone being out to get them!!

Cooper knows what he done. If he doesn't care, let him be.

It would be nice to concentrate on the football for once

Did it effect the game, no, move on

Coillte_Bhoy · 05-08-2017 10:27PM

Jayop wrote: »

Just reading now that Cooper had a dive. At the time I thought McManus nailed him but no, it was a dive. I wonder will o'rourke be calling him out the way he did McCann or will he be still getting stick for it I'm three years.

Will he ****. Won't be a word about it as usual.

God i really hope O'Rurke does just so you might shut the **** up but even if he does yu probably wont

Jayop · 05-08-2017 10:32PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

God i really hope O'Rurke does just so you might shut the **** up but even if he does yu probably wont

Yeah if he did I probably would shut the **** up. As it is we'll have a few weeks hearing about the crimes of Tyrone instead.

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