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Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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  • #3362
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Osmosis Jones wrote: »
    I honestly think the move to PSG shows massive ambition from Neymar, he's gone there to be the main man and to move them up a level. If he can get them alongside Barca, Real, and Bayern, genuinely challenging for the Champions League then that's a much bigger achievement than coasting along with Barca.

    It would be more ambitious to try and become an objectively better player than Messi, which should be doable as he declines. Rather than move to beat Messi to the Balon Dor by hoping his team wins and Messis doesn't


  • #3363
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    I am using my football logic that PSG are ever increasingly closing in on Barca and getting more and more ambitious and savvy in their acquisitions so as that the likelihood of them winning a CL is not massively behind Barcelona's more and more.

    Is it really your football logic or your absolute hatred of Barcelona though ?


  • #3364
    Pete Moss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    The Talking Bread wrote:
    I am using my football logic that PSG are ever increasingly closing in on Barca and getting more and more ambitious and savvy in their acquisitions

    Whilst acquiring, arguably, the third best player on the planet is far from idiotic, I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call PSG "savvy" with their acquisitions particularly when they're flinging €220m (plus wages and his father's fees) at one of these acquisitions.


  • #3365
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Is it really your football logic or your absolute hatred of Barcelona though ?

    I have zero hatred of Barca? Zero? I have much more love for them as a club and for their ethos and past players than I have for, say Real. And I don't have any real disdain for them either, especially at the moment.
    I have criticised the club and fans victim complex at times and hypocricy when things go there way but, lets be honest, certain obsessive Barca fans on these forums don't help people that don't support Barca, in this respect.

    Think you are thinking of another poster mate.


  • #3366
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    £515,000 per week AFTER TAX!!! That is just insane


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  • #3367
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Pete Moss wrote: »
    Whilst acquiring, arguably, the third best player on the planet is far from idiotic, I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call PSG "savvy" with their acquisitions particularly when they're flinging €220m (plus wages and his father's fees) at one of these acquisitions.

    Football has it's own economy, lets be honest. As you said, at 25, he is the "media's heralded 3rd best player in the world"
    A large amount of that price comes down to commercial issues (see Paul Pogba - see any half retired player heading to the footballing prestige of Asia), buying a player like Neymar will take the club, as a club to another planet, as well as their actual team and he will play the best years of his career there perhaps. It will lead to a domino effect where the prestige of playing for PSG will grow more and more over time.

    As well as a unbelievable player, they are buying an unbelievable brand and clubs like PSG, who have the ambition and cash to reach these levels will always pay astronomical looking prices.

    A club like PSG were never going to be able to haggle with Barca over Neymar, they pay the shelf price and right now these are the shelf prices for players like him.

    They wanted him. They had the money. The player wanted to join. The only stumbling block was Barca's representatives. But they overcame that.

    Look at the state of the market. It is monopoly money.


  • #3368
    Pete Moss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    The Talking Bread wrote:
    Are you suggesting Neymar isn't showing any element or even a decreased element of professional hunger with this move?

    Yes. The move is obviously motivated by money first and foremost. The dog in the street can see that much.

    I've read the Ballon D'Or argument, as well as it being mentioned about Neymar stepping out of Messi's shadow, but this is no more than a smokescreen, IMO.

    Will he win titles in France? Of course, It'd be hard not to, particularly as Monaco's impressive young team continues to be dismantled. Though I doubt Neymar Jr. dreamt of lifting the prestigious Ligue 1 title as a boy. Therefore, I would feel this move is step down for the player which shows a decrease in professional hunger, ambition, call it what you please.

    Maybe me referring to this move as a "step down" is a bit harsh though, after all time will tell. Are Barca in decline? Depends really on what they buy. Are PSG on the rise? Depends really on what they've bought.


  • #3369
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't really care much for Barca, PSG or Neymar (even though he is a hell of a talent) either way, but I must admit that there's a certain schadenfreude to this transfer which is just delightful.


  • #3370
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Interesting comments by Suarez in Dec 2015 (who is a better player than Neymar btw)

    Asked about the possibility of leaving Barca to join another club :
    "I suffered a lot to get here, it’s the club I always wanted to play for,” he said.
    "Even if [another club] offered me triple the money to leave, I wouldn't leave.
    "My family is happy. It’s impossible [that I’d leave]. I am going to stay here for many years."


  • #3371
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Will PSG end up with garnish on a wobbly soft cake? They'll have to balance the books to at least some degree through traditional means with sales and there will be plenty of interest in various mid-fielders in particular I suspect.


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  • #3372
    blueser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,744 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Interesting comments by Suarez in Dec 2015 (who is a better player than Neymar btw)

    Asked about the possibility of leaving Barca to join another club :
    "I suffered a lot to get here, it’s the club I always wanted to play for,” he said.
    "Even if [another club] offered me triple the money to leave, I wouldn't leave.
    "My family is happy. It’s impossible [that I’d leave]. I am going to stay here for many years."
    Not sure what your point is, to be honest. They're two different people. With different outlooks, different personalities, diferent priorities in life. Are you seriously suggesting that because Suarez committed himself long term to Barca, that Neymar should do the same? You're not, are you?


  • #3373
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,904 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    greendom wrote: »
    £515,000 per week AFTER TAX!!! That is just insane

    do people really enjoy watching footballers who make that much money - who cares if PSG win the CL - I'm all for footballers getting looking after , particularly those from poorer South American countries - how do average Brazilians relate to players making that ?

    Rugby players put there bodies on the line , and they don't make that in a year - good luck


  • #3374
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    thebaz wrote: »
    do people really enjoy watching footballers who make that much money - who cares if PSG win the CL - I'm all for footballers getting looking after , particularly those from poorer South American countries - how do average Brazilians relate to players making that ?

    Rugby players put there bodies on the line , and they don't make that in a year - good luck

    Rugby isnt nearlyt as popular worldwide.


    It's weird, guards put their bodies on the line yet they dont even get 100k a year, do you really enjoy watching rugby players who earn that much


  • #3375
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    I couldn't care less who pays who how much and what they pay the player in wages. I like watching football, what they earn has no bearing on that.


  • #3376
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,885 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    I'd rather watch skilful players than ones who just throw themselves around. Watching someone "put their body on the line" isn't appealing in the slightest.


  • #3377
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Rugby isnt nearlyt as popular worldwide.

    It's weird, guards put their bodies on the line yet they dont even get 100k a year, do you really enjoy watching rugby players who earn that much
    Not true, Osemele and Kevin Zeitler make over 10mn a year.



    (I'll get my coat)


  • #3378
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,904 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Rugby isnt nearlyt as popular worldwide.


    It's weird, guards put their bodies on the line yet they dont even get 100k a year, do you really enjoy watching rugby players who earn that much

    I just don't enjoy watching the very high level of football any more, for that reason - I can't relate to a footballer making over a 100k a week - perhaps a Messi or Ronaldo - when you watch league of Ireland players giving it there all , I can relate more - same for rugby or GAA players at top level , they are not making these obscene amounts .


  • #3379
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,885 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Since when have you had to relate to a football player? It's a sport, not art. I can understand someone not enjoying a certain musician because they can't relate to what they're singing about, but a football player? No way.


  • #3380
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Pete Moss wrote: »
    Yes. The move is obviously motivated by money first and foremost. The dog in the street can see that much.

    I've read the Ballon D'Or argument, as well as it being mentioned about Neymar stepping out of Messi's shadow, but this is no more than a smokescreen, IMO.

    Will he win titles in France? Of course, It'd be hard not to, particularly as Monaco's impressive young team continues to be dismantled. Though I doubt Neymar Jr. dreamt of lifting the prestigious Ligue 1 title as a boy. Therefore, I would feel this move is step down for the player which shows a decrease in professional hunger, ambition, call it what you please.

    Maybe me referring to this move as a "step down" is a bit harsh though, after all time will tell. Are Barca in decline? Depends really on what they buy. Are PSG on the rise? Depends really on what they've bought.

    I wrote some of this post earlier and I apologise for copy and pasting it again but, in response to that there is more to these moves than just money.
    Obviously he and his family will be licking their lips at the weekly wages, they know they can demand but for people to suggest that once why is everything so "one or the other" when it comes to these type of moves.

    Neymar clearly is an extremely passionate and emotional footballer on the field, noone can question his commitment, look at him when he plays for Brazil, he seems to have huge ambition as a footballer in his own right, always thriving to take advantage of his talents and doesn't seem like the sort of player that is just happy to pick up a wage packet and go through the motions.

    He achieved everything at Barca. Careers don't end at Madrid and Barca.

    Money aside,(and it isn't as if Neymar wasn't set to live like a King, stay or go anyway) there is also the topic of Neymar's ego at play here (in a positive manner)

    Maybe Neymar wants a team built around him and not somewhat overshadowed by Barca's main protagonist Messi.

    Maybe he wants to be the one who is remembered as the player that took PSG to the next level, where a huge club is centered around him as a player and, even, figure.

    It is poor mentality for some players who are limited to an extent, something which Neymar clearly isn't, but he does seem to thrive in that role and loves the worship that he is subject to for his own national team.

    It is a new venture, a new project. At the end of the day it is a career but it is a short one and certain players get itchy feet and seek new challenges, especially when the challenge reaps so many rewards.

    He isn't going there to retire ffs.

    He owes nothing to Barca, he has left so much on the field, they don't even owe anything to him apart from respect for the effort he has put in. (not pathetic posts calling him a traitor or a judas!!)

    A change of scenery is always exciting to. Paris is a wonderful place to live, I can imagine. (not that Barcelona isn't) . It isn't as if he is f*cking off to Makhachkala or Dalian or Mumbai. And he will, once more, be surrounded by brilliant colleagues for a team that is desperate for top success





    Sorry for the fairytale post!


  • #3381
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,952 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    thebaz wrote: »
    I just don't enjoy watching the very high level of football any more, for that reason - I can't relate to a footballer making over a 100k a week - perhaps a Messi or Ronaldo - when you watch league of Ireland players giving it there all , I can relate more - same for rugby players at top level , they are not making these obscene amounts .

    I guess it comes down to what you're looking for from sport. Personally, I don't feel any need to relate to the players I'm watching. It's almost the opposite, I want to see people at the very top level do things that I could never even dream of doing. It's entertainment, with a dose of emotional connection.

    Not that there isn't something great about relating to a sports person, like Olympians, many of whom make next to nothing for their efforts, and achieve incredible things. It's a far more powerful human story, with a more interesting background. But it's not a necessity for me to enjoy something at least.


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  • #3382
    Fromvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    thebaz wrote: »
    do people really enjoy watching footballers who make that much money - who cares if PSG win the CL - I'm all for footballers getting looking after , particularly those from poorer South American countries - how do average Brazilians relate to players making that ?

    Rugby players put there bodies on the line , and they don't make that in a year - good luck

    They don't get it because nobody cares about that sport. If people did they would and the same complaints would be thrown about. If they start making more money would that put you off that sport too?

    There's plenty of people in sport who put their body on the line to barely make enough to get by.


  • #3383
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,904 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Osmosis Jones wrote: »
    Since when have you had to relate to a football player? It's a sport, not art. I can understand someone not enjoying a certain musician because they can't relate to what they're singing about, but a football player? No way.

    football grew as a game of the people - people supported clubs or country cause thats where the teams came from originally - sometimes people actually knew some of the players that made it - never one for putting anyone on a pedestal , perhaps the odd true great - a Maradonna, Messi, Zidane - but if people want to support players making over 200k a week thats your right - I don't , I'm getting too old for boards ...


  • #3384
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    thebaz wrote: »
    I just don't enjoy watching the very high level of football any more, for that reason - I can't relate to a footballer making over a 100k a week - perhaps a Messi or Ronaldo - when you watch league of Ireland players giving it there all , I can relate more - same for rugby or GAA players at top level , they are not making these obscene amounts .

    If you can relate to Ronaldo and Messi earning huge wages, surely you can stretch your mind somewhat for Neymar?


    What is there to relate to anyway!


  • #3385
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,904 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Fromvert wrote: »
    They don't get it because nobody cares about that sport.

    Funny most internationals sell out faster than soccer - people do care - cop on


  • #3386
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,904 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    If you can relate to Ronaldo and Messi earning huge wages, surely you can stretch your mind somewhat for Neymar?


    What is there to relate to anyway!

    top level soccer sucks for me now - grew up loving it - you guys enjoy it today - I don't - I'm out


  • #3387
    Fromvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    thebaz wrote: »
    Funny most internationals sell out faster than soccer - people do care - cop on

    In comparison to the soccer, rugby is nothing. I'm talking worldwide and soccer being so huge worldwide is what drives these crazy prices and wages higher and higher.

    If overnight rugby became as big as soccer and all of the money associated with that poured in would it turn you off?


  • #3388
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,904 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Fromvert wrote: »
    If overnight rugby became as big as soccer and all of the money associated with that poured in would it turn you off?

    probably

    ps I'm on my own on this , made my point - enjoy


  • #3389
    Guffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Neymar transfer is just disgusting.


  • #3390
    Panthro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,054 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Have we signed Danny Drinkwater yet?
    Hon chelsea.


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  • #3391
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    thebaz wrote: »
    probably

    ps I'm on my own on this , made my point - enjoy

    I'm losing interest in football in general ,money is ruining it especially the Premier league.
    When you see very average footballers like John Stones ,Kyle Walker ,etc going for over £50m it beggars belief.
    The average fan is being priced out of it with ticket prices ,tv matches are spread across multiple providers so it costs alot to watch your team.
    More and more money is being pumped into the league yet the product being served up is deteriorating .


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