Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

Brendan Flowers · 02-08-2017 04:57PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Alonso ,Ronaldo and Henry were all going to bigger and better clubs where they would win more trophies.

Ronaldo had just won 3 Premier League title 3 times in a row with Man Utd and appeared in back to back Champions League finals. In his first 4 years at Madrid he won 1 league title while in the same time Utd won another 2 EPL's.

Hardly accurate to say he was moving to a bigger and better club to win more trophies. It was his boyhood dream to play for Real.

dfx- · 02-08-2017 04:58PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Alexis Sanchez back to Barcelona ,it would be a good fit and he wouldnt cost too much as he only has a year left on his contract.

God please no. Trading him up for Suarez in Summer 2014 was a fantastic move. Faded away from February onwards while he was there and it seems nothing has changed.

I'm not especially bothered by Neymar going. €200m is well worth it and avoid having that nonsense every Summer. It'll help with any cash strapped-ness and pay for Messi's new contract.

Quazzie · 02-08-2017 04:58PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Alonso ,Ronaldo and Henry were all going to bigger and better clubs where they would win more trophies .

He'll have a league championship next season that he won't be guaranteed at Barca

GavRedKing · 02-08-2017 04:59PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Alexis Sanchez back to Barcelona ,it would be a good fit and he wouldnt cost too much as he only has a year left on his contract.

Arsenal dont want to lose him at any cost, now that Barca will have 200m + in their back pocket, any club will be looking for a serious pay off, ven if in Sanchez case he has only 12 months left on his deal.

Arsenal cant replace Sanchez with a similar player, even if Barca gave them the entire 200m and with under 30 days left in the window, Barca will find it difficult to find a player with a "reasonable" fee available.

I also think for the short term, Barca might have ensured they can pay their massive wage bill but at the cost of losing Neymar, theyve now lost serious ground on Madrid who will probably walk the league for the next 2-3 years.

Gbear · 02-08-2017 04:59PM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Ronaldo had just won 3 Premier League title 3 times in a row with Man Utd and appeared in back to back Champions League finals. In his first 4 years at Madrid he won 1 league title while in the same time Utd won another 2 EPL's.

Hardly accurate to say he was moving to a bigger and better club to win more trophies. It was his boyhood dream to play for Real.

He hardly knew that was going to happen.

It was his **** luck that Messi would emerge simultaneously and create such a ridiculously competetive environment when in most periods in history, Real would've been showing a level of dominance even beyond that at the likes of Bayern in the Bundesliga.

MisterAnarchy · 02-08-2017 05:00PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I notice you left out Bonucci.

You mention about players going to bigger clubs being ok. I never heard you giving out about Alexis Sanchez or Mesut Ozil going to Arsenal?

It's nothing like the Robinho transfer by the way, Robinho was largely unproven when he went to City.

Bonnucci largely left Juventus for money and friction with management I believe but he is 30 and has spent 7 years there ,being a great servant to the club .

Sanchez and Ozil were sold by their clubs ,they were largely forced out ,it wasn't their decision to leave so I don't see how it's relevant.

Ronaldo had just won 3 Premier League title 3 times in a row with Man Utd and appeared in back to back Champions League finals. In his first 4 years at Madrid he won 1 league title while in the same time Utd won another 2 EPL's.

Hardly accurate to say he was moving to a bigger and better club to win more trophies. It was his boyhood dream to play for Real.

Sorry ,I meant to mention that it was Ronaldo's boyhood dream to play for Real ,that was his primary reason for going there .
I had it included but actually deleted it as I wasnt 100% sure.

Neymar has as much, if not more chance, of winning trophies at PSG than Barcelona.

Perhaps ,Barcelona are not the force they were and Iniesta and Busquets are pushing on but PSG's biggest weakness is their temperament ,they are a team of bottlers .

The Talking Bread · 02-08-2017 05:02PM

dfx- wrote: »

God please no. Trading him up for Suarez in Summer 2014 was a fantastic move. Faded away from February onwards while he was there and it seems nothing has changed.

I'm not especially bothered by Neymar going. €200m is well worth it and avoid having that nonsense every Summer. It'll help with any cash strapped-ness and pay for Messi's new contract.

Sanchez has faded away?? Is this alexis Sanchez. Surely you aren't referring to Alexis Sanchez??

BullBlackNova · 02-08-2017 05:04PM

Not to disrupt this argument with any facts or anything, but Bonucci left Juvé because of a falling out with Allegri, didn't he?

Insisted on staying in Italy because his child is receiving medical care, opted for Milan because his wife is from there.

No doubt he's probably making a shed load of cash too but...

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Anyway, back to it...

Billy86 · 02-08-2017 05:05PM

Football is a business and career, a players career is about 12-15 years, like it or loathe it they have every right to make the most financially out of that as they can.

MisterAnarchy · 02-08-2017 05:11PM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Not to disrupt this argument with any facts or anything, but Bonucci left Juvecause of a falling out with Allegri, didn't he?

Insisted on staying in Italy because his child is receiving medical care, opted for Milan because his wife is from there.

No doubt he's probably making a shed load of cash too but...

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Anyway, back to it...

I was aware of all of that ,thank you but he did get a big salary increase moving to Milan,3.5m to 8m.
Nesta was his idol growing up and he was a big fan of Milans former players ,that was another reason for joining.

dfx- · 02-08-2017 05:17PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Sanchez has faded away?? Is this alexis Sanchez. Surely you aren't referring to Alexis Sanchez??

Faded away or as Wenger seems to put it now..."in the red". His performance levels dropped off at the sharp end of the season having run himself into the ground at Barcelona the first time. With no Summer break now for years on top of that.

Lucas Hood · 02-08-2017 05:18PM

Bayern might need to sign another attacker soon.

James injured his hamstring and is supposed to be out for awhile.

Pete Moss · 02-08-2017 05:21PM

Yes, any footballer has the right to make as much money as they possibly can throughout there career. Though there's a lot more to be said for a player who shows professional hunger.

Essentially, in my opinion, the "take the money and run" argument doesn't really wash when a gifted player takes a step down, especially when the player wasn't exactly struggling financially at their previous club.

DM_7 · 02-08-2017 05:23PM

super_furry wrote: »

Think the problem for Barca fans is that this doesn't happen. They're used to seeing their team take the best players from across Europe against the wishes of the selling club and this is one of the few times that it's happening to them.

Figo to Real, Ronaldo to Inter, Rivaldo to Milan. All a long time ago now.

Jayop · 02-08-2017 05:31PM

Pete Moss wrote: »

Yes, any footballer has the right to make as much money as they possibly can throughout there career. Though there's a lot more to be said for a player who shows professional hunger.

Essentially, in my opinion, the "take the money and run" argument doesn't really wash when a gifted player takes a step down, especially when the player wasn't exactly struggling financially at their previous club.

There's a few scenarios.

1) Player moved from lower PL team to the likes of City. Massive pay rise but won't play any football.
2) Player moved from someone like Everton to a Champions League team, big pay rise and expects to play a lot of football.
3) Player moves from Champions League club to another that's really going to fight for the title. Probably a small pay rise.
4) Player moves from the likes of Liverpool or United to Madrid or Barca. Pay rise, probably dream club, likely to win Champions league.

All of those scenarios are perfectly understandable. Even the first one which is a bit mercenry because it's just for money is OK for me because it's a short career and they need to set themselves up for life although professional pride would make me think they would prefer to play even at a lower level.

5) Moving from a top PL team like Oscar did to China in his prime. Big pay raise.
6) Neymar like move from a huge club like Barca to a big club like PSG. Big pay rise, less likely to win the top top prizes.

Those are more of an issue. No respect for the move Oscar made, Chelsea will have paid him well as would many top clubs in Europe. Neymar I'd be less dismissive of because it's still not beyond reason that PSG could win a Champions League, but surely the prestige should count for more than the extra money he's going to get. How rich does a man need to be.

super_furry · 02-08-2017 05:33PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Neymar, IMO, will never reach the levels of Ronaldo and Messi but moving to France at least gives him a chance to be the brightest light in the team and league, all the while getting paid obscene amounts to do so.

Sid Lowe made a similar point in a very good Guardian column. Even in the best game he's ever played for Barcelona where he almost single handidly dragged Barcelona past PSG in the Champions League this year, the enduring image from that game was of Messi.

The Talking Bread · 02-08-2017 05:33PM

dfx- wrote: »

Faded away or as Wenger seems to put it now..."in the red". His performance levels dropped off at the sharp end of the season having run himself into the ground at Barcelona the first time. With no Summer break now for years on top of that.

He had a slump in the 3rd quarter of the season but finished the season very well, in a team that were struggling mentally and all over the place at times. Double figure goals in last 15 or 16 games I think, 7 goals and a few assists in his last 8 games.
Put a player like him into a top echelon team last season and he would have run riot

The Talking Bread · 02-08-2017 05:41PM

Jayop wrote: »

There's a few scenarios.

5) Moving from a top PL team like Oscar did to China in his prime. Big pay raise.
6) Neymar like move from a huge club like Barca to a big club like PSG. Big pay rise, less likely to win the top top prizes.

Neymar I'd be less dismissive of because it's still not beyond reason that PSG could win a Champions League, but surely the prestige should count for more than the extra money he's going to get. How rich does a man need to be.

The only top prize he is less likely to win the La Liga and Copa del rey............. Barca aren't in anyway hugely ahead of PSG in the "likelihood to win the Champions League" bracket. In fact, dare I say............

HalloweenJack · 02-08-2017 05:41PM

Neymar's won it all at Barca.

He's never going to replace Messi as the king. All the talk is about Messi's Barcelona. Messi is still the main man at Barca and will be for some while to come but Neymar wants to be that man himself and he clearly doesn't want to wait around for that. He's moving out of the shadow of Messi. I don't blame him for that.

Money obviously plays a big part in it as well but he's joining a team that might actually win the biggest prize. If he can do it at PSG, it will be a bigger achievement than doing it at Barca.

eagle eye · 02-08-2017 05:42PM

It's not so long ago that PSG were not even worth a snippet of discussion amongst football fans outside of their own. Over the last while we have discussed them a lot whether that be Ibra, Cavani, Thiago Silva, Verratti or the price they paid Chelsea for David Luiz a couple of seasons back.

Thing is they are always looking to improve and get to the next level. Their managers don't get long either and Unai Emery is in his last year unless he does something really good. I'd guess league title and champion's league semi-final is the absolute minimum required. Neymar will increase their chances of that happening for sure. They have money and want success, nothing wrong with that.

Jayop · 02-08-2017 05:53PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The only top prize he is less likely to win the La Liga and Copa del rey............. Barca aren't in anyway hugely ahead of PSG in the "likelihood to win the Champions League" bracket. In fact, dare I say............

Ah stop, Barca had a poor enough year but if I was going to guess who was more likely to win in Europe in the next five years my money would be on Barca. Also, LaLiga as a lot more kudos than what PSG are likely to win.

As it stands PP agree's.

Barca are 4/1 favourites followed by Madrid and Bayern. PSG are 10/1.

Osmosis Jones · 02-08-2017 06:01PM

I honestly think the move to PSG shows massive ambition from Neymar, he's gone there to be the main man and to move them up a level. If he can get them alongside Barca, Real, and Bayern, genuinely challenging for the Champions League then that's a much bigger achievement than coasting along with Barca.

bkrangle · 02-08-2017 06:09PM

What odds on Barca trying for Mbappe now that Neymar is on his way out?

ERG89 · 02-08-2017 06:10PM

Lucas Hood wrote:

Bayern might need to sign another attacker soon.

It's pre season yeah but they have looked quite bad. I'm sceptical of Ribery delivering after his injuries & how Rafinha is still at that club is beyond me. Quite a poor depth beyond the regulars & 3 or 4 others. A few of them are injury prone too. Are James, Gnabry & Rudy good enough to make a real difference?
I don't know tbh.

The Talking Bread · 02-08-2017 06:11PM

Jayop wrote: »

Ah stop, Barca had a poor enough year but if I was going to guess who was more likely to win in Europe in the next five years my money would be on Barca. Also, LaLiga as a lot more kudos than what PSG are likely to win.

As it stands PP agree's.

Barca are 4/1 favourites followed by Madrid and Bayern. PSG are 10/1.

I am using my football logic that PSG are ever increasingly closing in on Barca and getting more and more ambitious and savvy in their acquisitions so as that the likelihood of them winning a CL is not massively behind Barcelona's more and more.
You are welcome to dismiss this, by your own opinion or Paddy Power odds, which ever way you want!

Eh, yes, I am well aware that La Liga is FAR more prestigious than Ligue 1. Not sure where I disputed this!!

Billy86 · 02-08-2017 06:14PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Never got one. Never trusted that he wouldn't do what he's done.

How prophetic!

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Neymar! Neymar! is the cry rising from the stands of the Camp Nou, Barcelona's genius has produced another moment of sheer brilliance to win the penalty and scoreally it again. He's stepping up for Barcelona tonight, he's the next great player for the Catalan club, he's the worlds next great player.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Busquets, Pique, Messi, Alba aren't even that old and the next main man of Barcelona is already in the team (Neymar)

Andersonisgod wrote: »

they should be posting about Neymar who is the superstar to take over from Messi,

Andersonisgod wrote: »

By the way, I love Neymar and I love how much Neymar loves Barça.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Suarez being better than Neymar is entirely debatable and we will see this season how that progresses, however in the long term is it certainly Neymar who will be the more important player for Barcelona.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Neymar will prove to be a star in the long term and he has contributed with key goals this season.

Oh, and this gem.

Andersonisgod wrote: »

A major signing is needed. A player the caliber of Hazard or Neymar, Suarez, while undoubtedly talented, isn't worthy of playing for a club the stature of Barcelona.

The_Kew_Tour · 02-08-2017 06:18PM

Game set and match

The Talking Bread · 02-08-2017 06:19PM

Pete Moss wrote: »

Yes, any footballer has the right to make as much money as they possibly can throughout there career. Though there's a lot more to be said for a player who shows professional hunger.

Essentially, in my opinion, the "take the money and run" argument doesn't really wash when a gifted player takes a step down, especially when the player wasn't exactly struggling financially at their previous club.

Are you suggesting Neymar isn't showing any element or even a decreased element of professional hunger with this move?

ERG89 · 02-08-2017 06:19PM

The Talking Bread wrote:

The only top prize he is less likely to win the La Liga and Copa del rey............. Barca aren't in anyway hugely ahead of PSG in the "likelihood to win the Champions League" bracket. In fact, dare I say............

I don't think PSG are good enough defensively to make extra progress in the latter stages. A useless goalie in Trapp, a shakey defence & their midfield dissolved under pressure against Barca last year. Problem now for them is spending 220m on Neymar will leave them with very little to improve the rest of the team. They ain't going to get much for what they do sell as most of them flopped.

pjohnson · 02-08-2017 06:23PM

Billy86 wrote: »

How prophetic!

Oh, and this gem.

the gift that keeps on giving.

Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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