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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Could be a short haul gig equally


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭alancostello


    Could be a short haul gig equally

    Potentially, but EI121 to Orlando hasn't taken off yet and was due nearly an hour ago, so if anything I'd wager it's for this.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Locker10a wrote: »
    Im sure business class pax would be either offered an alternative, or an economy seat with a refund. 
    Im sure the vast majority of business passengers would be happy to jet get to their destination and not have their flight cancelled.

    You would think, but on a very delayed Toronto flight a few weeks ago when the idea of an alternate plane was mentioned I witnessed four separate groups of business passengers approach the desk and give out about how they had paid for the Aer Lingus product and wouldn’t accept anything less than, one even refused to be transferred to BA as ‘Club World is a dire experience’.
    LoL ! Well his alternative would be a cancelled flight or a refund of what he paid for the business seat. Its an unplanned exceptional circumstance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,492 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Aer Lingus fleet not having a great time lately!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    Aer Lingus fleet not having a great time lately!

    Ever since they painted that DC-3!!

    I'm not superstitious, but maybe Stevie Wonder was onto something!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭markc91


    Three wide-body hire-ins today from what I seen on the ramp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭cdsb46


    markc91 wrote: »
    Three wide-body hire-ins today from what I seen on the ramp

    Omni air at T2 Dublin about half hour ago surrounded by fire engines, they really aren't having much luck these days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,840 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Locker10a wrote: »
    Im sure business class pax would be either offered an alternative, or an economy seat with a refund. 
    Im sure the vast majority of business passengers would be happy to jet get to their destination and not have their flight cancelled.

    Downgrade compensation is a minimum of 75% of the fare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭billie1b


    cdsb46 wrote: »
    Omni air at T2 Dublin about half hour ago surrounded by fire engines, they really aren't having much luck these days

    Smoke in the flight deck


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭duskyjoe


    billie1b wrote: »
    Smoke in the flight deck

    Ah FFS- this is turning into a fiasco for them. Cruel

    Now Cancelled


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,849 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    The disruption likely to continue for around 2 weeks more at least, best hope is the rest of the fleet can be gotten into full service and keep it that way along with the hire in.

    Another very costly period for EI...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,492 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    HTCOne wrote: »
    Surprised they haven't pulled a 757 out of Shannon yet. Maybe they're full for a change.

    And no Aer Lingus Transatlantic flights operated to Shannon this morning, EI-LBS operating to DUB, and EI-CJX just remained on the ground yesterday (scheduled to do so).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    LBT is just about to depart Dublin for Shannon


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,102 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    The disruption likely to continue for around 2 weeks more at least, ................
    Another very costly period for EI...
    I wonder what sort of insurance cover or 'sinking fund' they have for this situation.

    *I know sinking find is building related but just used the term as its appropriate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,267 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Would have thought that one damaged at the airport (SFA?) would have to be covered by the airports insurance. I heard that to fly it to Bordeaux is costing a fortune. I don't know why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Well DUZ is back flying so its now its just LAX

    Lot of delays on the ramp in Dublin not helping due lack of gates or aircraft blocking others getting to gate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Well DUZ is back flying so its now its just LAX

    Lot of delays on the ramp in Dublin not helping due lack of gates or aircraft blocking others getting to gate

    When you say DUZ is back flying - is that the name of the plane?

    I'm flying to LAX this weekend and any day I've checked this week the flight is delayed by 2/3 hours, and one day it was cancelled. Is there likely to be a delay over the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭alancostello


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    When you say DUZ is back flying - is that the name of the plane?

    All Aer Lingus planes are registered as EI-___, in this case EI-DUZ, so this specific plane is back in action now. These are regulatory registrations.

    Aer Lingus also ‘name’ their planes after saints, in this case EI-DUZ is St Aoife


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭mikel97


    I was reading here that lots of their planes are grounded coz they broke down? What are the letters for? I taught it was all numbers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Nothing 'broke down'

    Multiple aircraft damaged due unforeseen events


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,821 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The letters referred to are the individual airline registrations.

    The numbers mentioned are the flight numbers of the flights that may have been affected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    mikel97 wrote: »
    I was reading here that lots of their planes are grounded coz they broke down? What are the letters for? I taught it was all numbers
    The problems on Transatlantic seem to be mainly due to bad luck but the short haul for May/June/July has been affected by tech issues as was reported for the same period last year. The following is a list of cases where the flights out from IRL went OK but the return flights were cancelled. In many cases the aircraft was subsequently flown home empty. The format is Date/Reg/Airport

    May
    09 DVL Belfast City
    13 DEL AMS
    16 DEL LHR
    16 DEE Geneva
    29 DEE MAD
    29 DEK Faro

    June
    07 CPG (A321) Tenerife (delayed overnight)
    19 DEB LHR
    20 DES Bologna
    22 DEE Berlin (delayed overnight) but it is not known if it was a tech, weather or crew issue.
    28 DEE Geneva

    July
    06 CVA Berlin (delayed overnight)
    07 DVK SNN
    08 FNJ Venice (delayed overnight)
    13 GAL Vienna (delayed overnight)
    16 FNJ Berlin (delayed overnight) but it is not known if it was a tech or crew issue.
    25 CVC Paris CDG

    There were also a goodly number of other cancellations. For example, a couple of weeks ago an aircraft became disabled on the runway at Gatwick for hours after landing. Perhaps someone can explain why Aer Lingus cancelled 5 flights rather than operate them later into the early hours as FR did.

    All of these occurrences must be costing a few bob (and a lot of work re-booking affected passengers during a period when the flights are, presumably, already well booked with not many spare seats)

    Feel free to rubbish this (like some here last year:)) if you have more or better facts/information but I feel sure that Aer Lingus would not allow a website (http://www.thelingussource.com/) to continually report information if it was false.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    For Berlin you have to be on the runway at 2300 local otherwise you better have an excuse (medical flight etc), if the EI338 lands after 2230 its staying the night, come very close twice at TXL and SXF to staying the night.

    You see a clear pattern, arrives late, stays the night, arrives on time, comes home.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,102 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    mikel97 wrote: »
    ......... What are the letters for? I taught it was all numbers
    In the USA aircraft are given numerical registrations. In Europe they get alphabetical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    You see a clear pattern, arrives late, stays the night, arrives on time, comes home.
    You missed out arrives on time, goes tech, stays the night :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,849 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    There were also a goodly number of other cancellations. For example, a couple of weeks ago an aircraft became disabled on the runway at Gatwick for hours after landing. Perhaps someone can explain why Aer Lingus cancelled 5 flights rather than operate them later into the early hours as FR did.

    Because its highly likely passengers were moved to LHR flights or other LGW flights.
    For Berlin you have to be on the runway at 2300 local otherwise you better have an excuse (medical flight etc), if the EI338 lands after 2230 its staying the night, come very close twice at TXL and SXF to staying the night.

    You see a clear pattern, arrives late, stays the night, arrives on time, comes home.

    Operations department failing here, if they were all caused by delays to outbound. Not really acceptable when there are simple solutions available.
    All of these occurrences must be costing a few bob (and a lot of work re-booking affected passengers during a period when the flights are, presumably, already well booked with not many spare seats)

    In most cases overnight night delays are operated by the same aircraft the following day. So largely hotel and a few meal vouchers in terms of cost.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    You see a clear pattern, arrives late, stays the night, arrives on time, comes home.
    You missed out arrives on time, goes tech, stays the night :)

    Quite frankly, and knowing EI rostering, I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of these over night canx flight were due crew exceeding their legal hours. EI rostering is notoriously bad. It wouldn't be uncommon for them to dispatch a flight knowing the crew can't return due to exceed night hours etc.
    I'd find it very strange if these aircraft spend the whole day flying around with no issue and suddenly, on the last sector of the day, go tech....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    In most cases overnight night delays are operated by the same aircraft the following day. So largely hotel and a few meal vouchers in terms of cost.
    I'd find it very strange if these aircraft spend the whole day flying around with no issue and suddenly, on the last sector of the day, go tech....
    Noted but 11 of the incidents were straight cancellations.
    EI rostering is notoriously bad. It wouldn't be uncommon for them to dispatch a flight knowing the crew can't return due to exceed night hours etc.
    That's unbelievable. I hope none of the "smarts" are watching this channel:).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    I've been on the EI339 many many times and when it gets tight on time the captain has on at least two occasions made it very clear on the PA that we need to sit down, strap in ASAP as we need to start up to get out before the airport closes.

    On one occasion last year they appeared to tanker the fuel from Dublin so we could make a very quick turnaround (less than 25 minutes)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,821 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Noted but 11 of the incidents were straight cancellations

    Every airline is going to have its share of cancellations, particularly when airline schedules reach peak frequency for a whole variety of reasons.

    In fact the same fate happens all transport companies - bus, rail or air. It's a fact of life within the industry.

    It's never good, but in the context of the overall number of flights operated over that entire period (over 200 short haul flights a day by Aer Lingus mainline), it's still a small number.


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