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Why do people take drugs?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Bambi985


    Probably the same reason I'm sitting here on my third coffee of the day at 11am or that I ate half a tub of ice-cream last night. Because it feels good and I can and no-one's going to stop me and in the case of the coffee, I absolutely must after a certain point.

    TBH I don't get it either, my (limited) experience with hard drugs has been under-whelming to say the least, same goes for cigarettes - honestly, people pay a tenner for 20 of these wretched, smelly, gross little cancer-causing things? But to be human is to seek out an altered state of being, whether it's for the purposes of joy and adventure or to numb and distract from a deeper pain.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's like everything else, know your limits and always be aware of the consequences.
    As a wise friend of mine said drugs and life can be like salt on food, just a pinch can enhance the flavour, too much and the meal is ruined.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Any druggies we have around here were corrupted by city folk and their fancy ways.

    Are city folk the only people who have any sense of responsibility? Poor little country folk don't have the ability to say no? Free will doesn't exist outside of the cities?

    Drugs are everywhere, blaming the cities for corrupting the poor divils down the country is quite naive...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Stonedpilot


    NIMAN wrote: »
    After watching a news report tonight about some new drug that's apparently started killing Britons, after it took Prince and loads of other Americans, the question popped into my head, "why take drugs at all".

    We have all seen more documentaries than we can remember showing how much damage they do, and I'm still waiting to hear the story of that person whose life got better through the use of hard drugs, so why bother starting? Are people that stupid that they think it's going to end well?



    Why do people ego masturbate and mouth off online?. Could ask all these questions.

    Simple answer is escapism. Life gets boring, most people deep down know the drudgery of day to day living is terribly boring and want an escape.

    I doubt anyone who takes their first hit of smack is looking years down the line living in penury with limbs rotting off on their first day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    mariaalice wrote: »
    The latest take on this.

    The person as an individual has been taken out of the issue, People take drugs because they are unhappy, want to escape life so the theory goes just figure out why the person is unhappy and wants to escape life fix that and voilà problem solved.

    That's a tad reductive. I've taken drugs in the past not out of a sense of unhappiness but curiosity. I enjoyed the experiences bar one or two crappy moments. I never developed a dependency on anything illicit, I never progressed beyond pills and speed (bar a couple of lines of coke but that's an areshole's drug tbh) and it all fell by the wayside as I got older and got more responsibilities. I'd still have the occasional joint but it's not something I partake in a lot because it's not the most motivational of drugs. I know some people take drugs because they are unhappy in life or develop a dependency on drugs as a coping mechanism but it doesn't mean it is true of all people that do it.

    Honestly, during periods of unhappiness in my life, illicit drugs would have been the last thing on my mind - alcohol would have been more of a crutch.


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  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, the problem could be fixed although often with great difficulty. Otherwise we wouldn't have such serious problems in the first place. Look at all the problem drinkers, others on prescription drugs as well. If sanctioned suicide was a thing and nomalised, I'd say suicide numbers would shoot up. But no, it's head in the sand and "sure I'm grand meself like, sure why would yez be taking the drugs like".

    That is not my point at all, drug taking is a very complex area so there are no simple solutions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Are city folk the only people who have any sense of responsibility? Poor little country folk don't have the ability to say no? Free will doesn't exist outside of the cities?

    Drugs are everywhere, blaming the cities for corrupting the poor divils down the country is quite naive...
    It's true. Country folk meet at the crossroads to play handball and organise lifts to the dance, city folk meet on street corners to deal drugs and organise drive-by shootings.

    Someone coming from the country to the big smoke who has never seen The Wire is going to find themselves in a world of trouble.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's a tad reductive. I've taken drugs in the past not out of a sense of unhappiness but curiosity. I enjoyed the experiences bar one or two crappy moments. I never developed a dependency on anything illicit, I never progressed beyond pills and speed (bar a couple of lines of coke but that's an areshole's drug tbh) and it all fell by the wayside as I got older and got more responsibilities. I'd still have the occasional joint but it's not something I partake in a lot because it's not the most motivational of drugs. I know some people take drugs because they are unhappy in life or develop a dependency on drugs as a coping mechanism but it doesn't mean it is true of all people that do it.

    Honestly, during periods of unhappiness in my life, illicit drugs would have been the last thing on my mind - alcohol would have been more of a crutch.

    In a nutshell that is what official policy is based on, find the cause of the drug taking and fix that and everything will be alright completely ignoring the fact that individuals often take drugs alcohol etc, just because they want to for no other reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Foweva Awone


    In my opinion and in my experience, most people are already addicts/alcoholics long before they ever take that first drink or drug.

    Here is how I would describe it.

    For a mentally well and healthy non-addict, the first time they try a drink/drug is like the first time they try a new kind of treat food. We'll say, honeycomb ice-cream. They see other people try it, they see others enjoy it, they're told good things about it. So they try it and they enjoy it too, it enhances their life, and the positive effects probably outweigh any negative side-effects, e.g. weight gain, provided they take it in moderation. Should the negative side-effects become significant - e.g. it turns out they're allergic to honeycomb ice-cream and it gives them a rash - they'll probably cut it out immediately and not really miss it all that much - after all, they've lived their lives this far without it. The substance (in this case) is an enjoyable addition to the person's life, but certainly not essential or central to their life.

    Whereas when an "addict-in-waiting" starts on drink/drugs ... this is how I'd describe it. They try it with the same intentions as the healthy non-addict - to get a temporary buzz or lift in mood. But it's not like that at all.

    Imagine if, since birth, your lungs were only functioning to 50% capacity. Of course you're struggling all along, but you don't know that they're only functioning to 50%, you know no different and you don't even know how much you're struggling. You take this substance, and all of a sudden your lungs are functioning to 100% capacity and it's amazing. You're no better or different to anyone else - you're just finally normal, and realise what you'd been missing all along. Stop using the substance, and your lung capacity drops, this time down to 40%. Crap. Now you're really struggling, and you know all about how "okay" things actually could be, and you know how to achieve that again. So you take the substance again. This time, it only brings your lungs to 90% functioning capacity, and that's fine, still a major improvement. But stop using it, and capacity drops to 30%. And so on and so forth, until when you're not using the substance you are unable to breathe at all, and you need to use massive amounts of the substance just to get your lung capacity functioning at the 50% it was at before you ever even started.

    If that analogy seems dramatic or over-the-top, congratulations - chances are you've never been in the grip of an addiction.

    It's not a choice anyone makes though, I don't think anyone with their eyes wide open would ever try that first drink or drug. The problem is you're usually already well into the addiction before you even begin to realise how f*cked up you were even before you ever started using.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭erica74


    If you take the right drugs in the right company in the right setting, you feel great, you feel euphoric, you feel so delighted.
    I have never had a bad experience on drugs but I'm only speaking for myself. None of my friends have dropped dead but I've had friends throw up their entire insides and then start coming up on what they've taken. I've also had friends throw up their entire insides and then need to go to bed for the rest of the night.
    With different drugs, there are different ways of getting the most out of them, anyone who has taken drugs will know what I'm talking about.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭YourSuperior


    mariaalice wrote: »
    That is not my point at all, drug taking is a very complex area so there are no simple solutions.

    I'm not saying you're saying that, it can be a thing in the wider population.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_experience

    It is not uncommon to have a natural high in nature but I suspect it more likely to to happen to people who are profoundly content in the first place :).

    There is a good(ish) description in The wind in the willows called
    The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

    Common triggers for peak experience included art, nature, sex, creative work, music, scientific knowledge, and introspection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,744 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    mariaalice wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_experience

    It is not uncommon to have a natural high in nature but I suspect it more likely to to happen to people who are profoundly content in the first place :).

    There is a good(ish) description in The wind in the willows called
    The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

    to me, being out in nature doing whatever activity, whether it be activities such as cycling, walking, kayaking etc, is the best high ive ever experienced. it produces an inner peace that no other drug has ever created for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    That's a tad reductive. I've taken drugs in the past not out of a sense of unhappiness but curiosity. I enjoyed the experiences bar one or two crappy moments. I never developed a dependency on anything illicit, I never progressed beyond pills and speed (bar a couple of lines of coke but that's an areshole's drug tbh) and it all fell by the wayside as I got older and got more responsibilities. I'd still have the occasional joint but it's not something I partake in a lot because it's not the most motivational of drugs. I know some people take drugs because they are unhappy in life or develop a dependency on drugs as a coping mechanism but it doesn't mean it is true of all people that do it.

    Honestly, during periods of unhappiness in my life, illicit drugs would have been the last thing on my mind - alcohol would have been more of a crutch.

    Coke being an arsehole drug is a myth. If you're an arsehole and take coke you will become a bigger arsehole. No different than alcohol in that respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    to me, being out in nature doing whatever activity, whether it be activities such as cycling, walking, kayaking etc, is the best high ive ever experienced. it produces an inner peace that no other drug has ever created for me

    Fair enough, but these are physical activiites. Drugs tend to be more mental/psychological. I've had the high yourtalkign about, and I;ve had LSD/mushroom highs out in nature as well. Completely different type of high, but just as good.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭6541


    So I was at a rave a couple of weeks ago, i had two yokes over 6 hours and about three drinks. Great night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Shpudnik wrote: »
    I've never taken drugs but from what I told they seek to be an escape from problems.

    That's just the bullshít answer trotted out by people too lazy to think.

    I took tons of drugs in my youth, - it wasn't to escape anything - it was quite simply to have a good time. I like good times, they're good, way better than bad times in fact.

    It ended neither in a jail cell, a hospital, nor a box - it ended in fact with a whimper when it slowly dawned on me that I was finding the recovery time longer and longer up until the point where it just was no longer a majority pleasant experience.

    Maths is what stopped me - not jail, addiction, destitution, ill health or any of the other bollox you'll hear about. Simple arithmetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,744 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Fair enough, but these are physical activiites. Drugs tend to be more mental/psychological. I've had the high yourtalkign about, and I;ve had LSD/mushroom highs out in nature as well. Completely different type of high, but just as good.

    i personally believe, if you require a 'drug' to experience the world, there might just be deeper issues at play. i feel very at peace out in nature and i know many others that have similar experiences. bearing in mind, ive never done an illegal drug, thankfully


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Coke being an arsehole drug is a myth. If you're an arsehole and take coke you will become a bigger arsehole. No different than alcohol in that respect.

    It didn't do anything for me the couple of times I took it tbh. Maybe I'm just naturally an arsehole and I don't need the chemical assistance..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i personally believe, if you require a 'drug' to experience the world, there might just be deeper issues at play. i feel very at peace out in nature and i know many others that have similar experiences. bearing in mind, ive never done an illegal drug, thankfully

    I didn't require any drugs to experience the world but I did use them on occasion to enhance certain experiences. Didn't mean I couldn't enjoy those experiences without the aid of drugs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,744 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I didn't require any drugs to experience the world but I did use them on occasion to enhance certain experiences. Didn't mean I couldn't enjoy those experiences without the aid of drugs.

    ive no problem with people wanting to experiment, some drug taking certainly looks fun, but its just not for me as explained earlier. i truly beleive all illegal drugs should be legalised.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    I notice the OP failed to mention the drugs he was talking about were prescription drugs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ive no problem with people wanting to experiment, some drug taking certainly looks fun, but its just not for me as explained earlier. i truly beleive all illegal drugs should be legalised.

    Ecstasy looks great fun alright :)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    Ecstasy looks great fun alright :)

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    It is


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Ecstasy looks great fun alright :)

    20050701093733.jpg

    Tbf, you're not taking drugs to look pretty. They're most likely having the time of their lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭6541


    i count myself lucky that I grew up when yokes exploded onto the nightlife in Ireland. We were a very lucky generation to have experienced such times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i personally believe, if you require a 'drug' to experience the world, there might just be deeper issues at play. i feel very at peace out in nature and i know many others that have similar experiences. bearing in mind, ive never done an illegal drug, thankfully

    Took drugs of every colour, shape, size and variety for many many years.

    At the time I would have said that I just "enjoyed" being out of my head for a while but looking back now I can see that I was really just running away from myself.

    I used to hear the term "natural high" and equate it to taking a couple of herbal calms in the vein hope of achieving something similar to a couple of D10's.

    I was wrong..

    I can only speak from my own experience but there's no drug in the world that can match the incredible euphoric feeling of a natural high..

    Of course it's a lot more elusive, takes a lot more work to achieve and even then it's never guaranteed.

    Swallowing a pill is much much easier .. but few things worthwhile are easy..

    As for why people take drugs ? I don't think anyone can answer that bar the individuals themselves. I'm sure those reasons are wide and varied.
    Coke being an arsehole drug is a myth.

    Have to be honest, I couldn't disagree more. The only thing more annoying then a sloppy drunk spitting in your face while trying to stay upright is a buzzed up cokehead, driveling on endlessly about themselves and repeating the same story over and over about how ****in deadly they are.

    Jesus they are painful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    It is

    Yeah I'm well aware of that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Ecstasy looks great fun alright :)

    20050701093733.jpg

    Seriously doubt they're on ecstacy. "Looks" like alcohol.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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