Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Me at Matic announcement

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Im almost sure I've heard of people being banned due to alcohol being found in their sample as a potential masking agent. I'm sure it would be easily differentiated from a small bit of post game champagne though

Sure that's what done for Michelle Smith or is she a de Brun now

bangkok wrote: »

team is starting to take shape....

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de gea

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Valencia

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Lindelof

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Bailly

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Darmian

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Matic

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Herrera

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Pogba

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Rashford

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Lukaku

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Mkhiatarayan

Swap Rashford and Mkhitaryan and I agree with that as our likely first choice line up. Lindelof needs to earn that spot though, not done so on pre-season performances.

TheDoc wrote: »

Shouting for Ferdinand to be sold I suppose back in the day?

Yeah, I thought MU handled that whole situation very poorly.

I understand why they did what they did, and in the end the made the right decision results wise. Would every other club do the same. Yeah.

But look at Suarez and the outcry Pool got over that, rightly so. There comes a point when standards are more important.

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Im almost sure I've heard of people being banned due to alcohol being found in their sample as a potential masking agent. I'm sure it would be easily differentiated from a small bit of post game champagne though

The whole point of drug testing is that the officials are incontrol. No allowance, can, or indeed should, be taken of circumstances. If the player is on something they will then just say they need a minute, and down a vodka or something. Look at Michelle Smith.

And officials can't use 'common sense'. That way leads to corruption. A guilty player will simply offer the official a bride to take account of celebrations.

They heard all these excuses before. You don't think they drug test after every final?

Anway, just my two cents. Matic has signed, far more interesting, and positive, topic

They should be doing the tests, no questions asked...it's actually ridiculous that photographs and laps around the pitch are being put forward as excuses for professional athletes not wanting to do a doping control.

If the Matic, Herrera, Pogba midfield lives up to it's "on-paper" potential, we should at least seriously challenge for the league.

Leroy42 wrote: »

If the player is on something they will then just say they need a minute, and down a vodka or something. Look at Michelle Smith.

She didn't actually drink the whiskey, you do know that right?

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Jesus, you've gone down the rabbit hole here. The whole squad and management were in the dressing room. The tester could have waited 30 seconds while the photo was taken and not let Jones out of his sight. How you can equate that to leading to bribing the tester.......

I'm not saying that would have happened here, but it opens up the possibility. People have used fake penis (i)?, catathers, taken alcohol. Why should they believe that Jones is all sweet and pie?

Player is told of the need for a test and from that moment on he is under the control of the tester. Thats the rule. Its not about Jones.

paulbok wrote: »

And what would you have done with Cantona?

He should have been fired, no question at all. To attach a fan, no matter how much a piece of sh1t he may have been. Totally unacceptable.

Leroy42 wrote: »

I'm not saying that would have happened here, but it opens up the possibility. People have used fake penis (i)?, catathers, taken alcohol. Why should they believe that Jones is all sweet and pie?

Player is told of the need for a test and from that moment on he is under the control of the tester. Thats the rule. Its not about Jones.



He should have been fired, no question at all. To attach a fan, no matter how much a piece of sh1t he may have been. Totally unacceptable.

What about Ferguson when he hit Beckham with the boot

Just came to mind when I saw the contract....

Financially, in terms of accounting, a player price is spread over the length of their contract (options not included, iirc). So at 35million matic is 11.6 or something like that per season.

From an accountancy perspective, we could have signed Dier at 55million on a five year contract for what would be considered the same money.

I'm not saying its that simple in reality, or we shouldn't have signed Matic, or that we could have even got Dier for 55 - but just something I found briefly interesting when looking at the (quite reasonable in todays market) 35million, and then saw it was a 3 year contract.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yes poor wording. I was focusing on the point rather than the detail but you are quite correct.

WHich makes the plea to give Jones 30 secs to take a pic so absurd. Nothing to stop him taking the opportunity to get hold of something similar from a teammate etc.

wouldn't that make it a bad time to have called for the test then? As a general point. This was back in the changing room. After the on pitch celebrations - so a good chance all the player have already taken on some drink. Plenty of time between the final whistle and the changing room (given trophy celelbration) to take some masking agent if a player needed to.

Again, a general question on the procedure - not trying to paint some excuse here.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I have, and I was wrong to do so - and rightly sent off for it once. Have I done it, yes, does that make it excusable? No.

I'm not saying the lads should be sacked. I'm not saying the uefa procedures aren't sometimes stupid. I'm saying Jones was wrong to swear and be abusive towards an official.

Ah that's fair enough, I thought I was catching you at the start of an outrageous statement of BURN THEM!!!!

Coincidentally, my only red card was having a bit of mouthy with another player, after a goal was scored against us, where the ref came over and sent us both of and both stunned were like "for ****ing what?"

Ref came over at half time, got me and other player and two managers and was like "on reflection I actually shouldn't have sent you both off, as there was no real breach of rules...so...you can both come back on and how about we just forget about it"

Was a notorious ref for a season or two. I remember playing Priorswood away and the opposition keeper claimed a ball and just shoulder barged our striker, in grand scheme of things nothing I wouldn't have done when I played in goal. Was in midfield,ref beside me and just went "oh thats a peno" and he blew for it.

Most imfamously playing a game against Home Farm where their keeper clattered our striker in on goal. Was a red card and peno. Ref instead went to the keeper "So we've a choice here, either I send you off, or give a penatly and you a yellow card". Was standing near and was like "and what are you giving if you send him off" ..."well, a freekick at the edge of the box". Of course the keeper chose penalty.

Anyone my age that played Brenfer premier or whatever the top league was called, would have come across him. Absolutely brutal, dopey looking eejit.