Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

bucketybuck · 29-07-2017 01:34PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

126 goals, 6 Premier League winners medals, along with 2 FA Cup winners medals & 1 Champions League winner medal, not bad for £1.5 million pounds.

And a good example of why building a winning team does not need to be about spending hundreds of millions on whoever is currently termed to be a "top, top player".

I firmly believe that there are lots of players out there perfectly capable of being the next Neymar/Shearer/Giggs/Solskaer, that there is not a big gap between most of these superstars and the next level of professionals.

Far better to spend good money on the next Suarez than mortgage a club on the likes of Neymar.

Mitch Connor · 29-07-2017 01:39PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

And a good example of why building a winning team does not need to be about spending hundreds of millions on whoever is currently termed to be a "top, top player".

I firmly believe that there are lots of players out there perfectly capable of being the next Neymar/Shearer/Giggs/Solskaer, that there is not a big gap between most of these superstars and the next level of professionals.

Far better to spend good money on the next Suarez than mortgage a club on the likes of Neymar.

why use neymar as your discussion point?

Where does not spending the money inter want on Perisic fall into that argument?

Why is neymar the only point of discussion in these transfer debates? We have also not bought Matic, dier or Perisic, or moved for Fabinho (as an example).

Trigger · 29-07-2017 01:44PM

Dendonker available for €25m or so.. would be great for the squad at that price but still think we need an experienced player like Matic in there

https://twitter.com/sport_witness/status/890917282335141888

bucketybuck · 29-07-2017 01:54PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

why use neymar as your discussion point?

Where does not spending the money inter want on Perisic fall into that argument?

Why is neymar the only point of discussion in these transfer debates? We have also not bought Matic, dier or Perisic, or moved for Fabinho (as an example).

I'd happily use Persic if you want, because I damn sure believe there are other Perisics out there for the taking, he is absolutely an example of a player the club should not be held to ransom for.

Mitch Connor · 29-07-2017 02:02PM

Fellaini being linked with Galatasaray - reports in turkey apparently saying he has agreed terms.

Consideredjng how short we are for midfielders and how key he can be to Jose's more pragmatic approaches I can't see any way we let him go. We arguably could do with two midfield signings without selling a third CM since January.

Mitch Connor · 29-07-2017 02:04PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'd happily use Persic if you want, because I damn sure believe there are other Perisics out there for the taking, he is absolutely an example of a player the club should not be held to ransom for.

But is that not a different argument entirely, to whether we should mortgage the club for neymar? Surely in that argument the likes of Perisic, whom we have failed to do a deal, is the type of team focused signing we should be getting done - but we aren't even doing that.

Cantona's Collars · 29-07-2017 02:09PM

astradave wrote: »

Dendonker available for €25m or so.. would be great for the squad at that price but still think we need an experienced player like Matic in there

https://twitter.com/sport_witness/status/890917282335141888

I hope we sign him,I keep saying his name in Brian Kerr's accent for some reason.:)

Lord TSC · 29-07-2017 02:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Fellaini being linked with Galatasaray - reports in turkey apparently saying he has agreed terms.

Consideredjng how short we are for midfielders and how key he can be to Jose's more pragmatic approaches I can't see any way we let him go. We arguably could do with two midfield signings without selling a third CM since January.

Only way I'd believe that is if two midfielders (Matic and Dendonker?) were pretty much done.

Billy86 · 29-07-2017 02:19PM

On one hand, I would have no issues seeing the back of Fellaini. But we really would need to have other signings all but wrapped up at that point, as it would leave us with just Herrera and Pogba as 'true' and proven CMS (TFM being too young/unproven but I would like to see him being given a real crack this year along with Herrera/Pogba/2 more CMs, and Carrick I reckon will be used more like Giggs/Scholes towards the end of their careers - starting quite rarely and coming on late to stifle opposition and slow down play).

Minderbinder · 29-07-2017 02:45PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But is that not a different argument entirely, to whether we should mortgage the club for neymar? Surely in that argument the likes of Perisic, whom we have failed to do a deal, is the type of team focused signing we should be getting done - but we aren't even doing that.

I think the point is obviously that we are not scouting very well if the only names we can come up with are already established stars.

I feel like Jose's transfer strategy is a bit flawed, and the way he blabs to the media about having a very short short-list of players, giving that to Woodward and then going off on his holidays is not a great signal to send out in doing deals. Is he even using a scouting system or just watching games himself and deciding?

Bailly looks a great signing to be fair. If we're comparing Solskjaer's transfer we should probably say that would be around the €10m mark in today's market. Also it's a lot more difficult to look for an unknown talent because they are KNOWN nowadays. Very doubtful that a Solskjaer today would still be playing in Norway at 23 years of age. He probably would have been snapped up by a United or Chelsea and loaned out a few times already.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 29-07-2017 03:03PM

There have been reports about Fellaini agreeing a deal to move away every window since he joined, yet theres been nothing from the club or any manager to suggest hes anything but a valued member of the squad.

RobertKK · 29-07-2017 03:15PM

I can't see Fellaini leaving United this summer.

Meanwhile Marca say Barcelona have added Griezmann to their list of players to replace Neymar.
http://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2017/07/29/597c6e8a468aebfa0c8b4601.html

Crimson King · 29-07-2017 03:30PM

Isn't Fellaini in the last year of his contract? Could be agent talk or United selling whilst they still can get decent money for him

jayo26 · 29-07-2017 03:32PM

Crimson King wrote: »

Isn't Fellaini in the last year of his contract? Could be agent talk or United selling whilst they still can get decent money for him

Club has an option for another year on him

bangkok · 29-07-2017 04:22PM

Looks like fellaini leaving!!

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 29-07-2017 04:40PM

bangkok wrote: »

Looks like fellaini leaving!!

From **** sources! Great, then we'd need two midfielders.

Cotts72 · 29-07-2017 04:42PM

Perhaps if Fellaini does go, we may bring in 2 CMs,matic and derdoncker/Sanchez(loan)

GSPfan · 29-07-2017 04:54PM

Only just realised Fellaini is 29! I say sell him now as his sale value will never be higher.

I have to say this transfer window has been awfully boring. I've no faith we will close out any more deals as there seems to be a lack of movement on everything. We'll probably squeeze a player or two in the door before September but it looks like its going to be hard work.

FutureGuy · 29-07-2017 04:55PM

bangkok wrote: »

Looks like fellaini leaving!!

Looking forward to seeing who you select to berate next.

bangkok · 29-07-2017 04:56PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing who you select to berate next.

Whoever is playing crap

The_Kew_Tour · 29-07-2017 04:58PM

I'd say something if he was actually crap.

pjohnson · 29-07-2017 05:02PM

bangkok wrote: »

Looks like fellaini leaving!!

You'd be happy we are making our squad worse? Not suprising I guess.

29-07-2017 05:04PM

If Fellaini is going, and to me that is a big if at this point, we must have at least two CMs incoming.

With Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger gone, the 78 year old Michael Carrick, and non-DM specialists Pogba and Herrera would remain.

On that alone I'm calling Fellaini's departure as a non-runner, even with Galatasary themselves confirming interest.

That is unless we have at least 2 CMs lined up. This could be the calm before a serious transfer storm, or nothing at all.

Mitch Connor · 29-07-2017 05:07PM

If the rest of the squad showed fellainis work rate and determination we'd be a lot better off.

I just can't get on board with selling him. We already could make a good argument for needing two cms. He gives his all and us an excellent squad player. I think he can be improved upon as a first choice player but as a squad option, particularly with our clear weaknesses in midfield it would be insane to sell him.

Reckon the rumors are just the stupid season Turkish rumors.

Trigger · 29-07-2017 05:07PM

Meh Fella ain't going anywhere

https://twitter.com/sport_witness/status/891329317237653506

https://twitter.com/sport_witness/status/891329911348240384

deaddonkey15 · 29-07-2017 05:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If Fellaini is going, and to me that is a big if at this point, we must have at least two CMs incoming.

With Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger gone, the 78 year old Michael Carrick, and non-DM specialists Pogba and Herrera would remain.

On that alone I'm calling Fellaini's departure as a non-runner, even with Galatasary themselves confirming interest.

That is unless we have at least 2 CMs lined up. This could be the calm before a serious transfer storm, or nothing at all.

We have Fosu-Mensah as well.

Trigger · 29-07-2017 05:11PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We have Fosu-Mensah as well.

Looks like Iose sees him as a RB instead of a DM

pjohnson · 29-07-2017 05:13PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We have Fosu-Mensah as well.

McTominay seems to be our young DM. TFM seems to be full back.

Andreas would be our only back up with any real experience.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 29-07-2017 05:15PM

Wonder what is the delay with the Matic deal? He hasn't even been in the squad for their preseason friendlies.

Mitch Connor · 29-07-2017 05:16PM

pjohnson wrote: »

McTominay seems to be our young DM. TFM seems to be full back.

He's not played DM at any level as far as I know. Forward converted to an attacking midfielder, no?

Pereira is not a DM either.

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