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The future of RTE Radio 1 LW

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Lads lets take off our anoraks for a moment and be realistic, RTE LW has only a couple of hundred listeners in Britian and about 25 listeners in Ireland, it's a waste of money and should have closed years ago, likewise rte dab should be closed down as it only has about 50 listeners in total and all those pointless channels on saorview like news now and +1 should be closed.
    It would seem them few listeners are making more noise than 252 at least as far as the politicos are concerned. biggrin.png
    @dirty old anorak you should know by now that common sense never applies in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    RTE Made a big deal in 2008 of moving Radio 1 from Clermont Carn from 95.2 to 87.8 (95.3 is used by BBC on Carnmoney hill near Belfast) - the reason given was that 87.8 would be more clear in Belfast

    http://www.rte.ie/about/en/press-office/press-releases/2008/0305/292418-rteradio1newfrequency/

    In Reality 87.8 is s**t across all of the city with serious multipath and fade - Clermont Carn is 70km from Belfast and the best comparison I can make is listening to the same frequency (87.8) in Dublin

    The only reliable car reception is on 252 and I have highlighted this many times only for me to be criticised here, that nobody wants to listen to RTE there etc etc - utter bull - RTE Radio IS listened to in Belfast and I'd guarantee their figures (if available in RAJAR) are in double percentage points for a certain demographic. The only information I can find for RTE share is from an old Ofcom publication and says that it has an 8% market share across Northern Ireland.

    If that 8% carried across Belfast (and I'd bet that that figure is higher) which has a population of 532,000 - this puts RTE share in the city at 42,560 people.

    Things are going to get very interesting when they turn 252 off - watch this space !!

    I've said before that the fix for this would be 25kW on 567 from the Carrickroe transmission site in Monaghan as Spirit is currently perfect in Belfast on every Car radio on 549 - or put Radio 1 on 88.5 from Divis (duplication of Three rock frequencies) and perhaps RnaG on 92.9 (Although Belfast already has Raidio Fáilte on 107.1 which is totally in Irish and RnaG might not be needed there)

    2FM and Lyric could be considered competition for existing music based services so should probably not be allocated frequencies there.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2FM plays the most awful music and should be closed to save tax payer money. The station in general has gone to hell !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    2FM plays the most awful music and should be closed to save tax payer money. The station in general has gone to hell !

    Completely agree. It's a joke of a station compared to what was there in the 90's. Back then it was great, now it just sounds like a really badly-run pirate a la Radio Dublin. I don't think I know anyone who still listens to it.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They just get in younger and younger people thinking this will improve ratings but it isn't working because even the younger folk think 2Fm is crap.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,874 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    RTE as an organisation is all but irrelevant to most people under 50 it seems.

    I'm not far off that and, live sport aside, there's nothing to interest me, and plenty to put me right off. Sooo socially conservative it's unreal and pandering to the pensioner/country'n'western demographics at every opportunity.

    Huge problem for them, and a problem for those of us forking out €160 a year too :(

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭RAKM


    I agree about RTE being irrelevant. I am 52 and always thought Radio 1 was for someone else. When I was at school I always thought it was for old people. Now I think it is for people with an interest in talking politics with a left wing slant. I also have no interest in phone in shows. There just might be space for a station featuring the likes of Dave Fanning Marty Whelan and the Larry Gogan type show.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RAKM wrote: »
    I agree about RTE being irrelevant. I am 52 and always thought Radio 1 was for someone else. When I was at school I always thought it was for old people. Now I think it is for people with an interest in talking politics with a left wing slant. I also have no interest in phone in shows. There just might be space for a station featuring the likes of Dave Fanning Marty Whelan and the Larry Gogan type show.
    Exactly. I quite like some of the music shows on Radio 1 (e.g. John Creedon and Late Date) but I've no interest in the news side. I'm 32 so not exactly old, but old enough that 2FM and the other youth stations are of no interest to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    This thread is going off topic - mods can you please assist


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    kazoo106 wrote: »
    This thread is going off topic - mods can you please assist

    I'm not fan of backseat moderation but maybe we can take the general RTE gripes to Broadcasting please.

    As an aside, the topic is about a closure of RTE Radio 1 LW on a specific date three years ago that quite obviously never happened. I'm aware the axe is still aimed, even if it hasn't fallen, but I'll rename the thread to perhaps reflect that.


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  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've always liked Larry Gogan but I've not listened to him in a long time since DJ's are not allowed to play what they want any more which I think is ridiculous and it's damaging the radio stations by forcing DJ's to play music they think people want to hear.

    The odd time I listen into RTE Gold which can play decent music and it's not news and adds every 2 mins and talk talk as some radio stations SHOULD be. And Larry plays decent music on Gold.

    It's too inconvenient for me most of the time to listen to internet radio and in the car which would make the old 567 transmitter a great idea for a good station that plays music from the 50's to the 90's from the 00's on music seriously quality took a nose dive and this pop music crap is on most stations in Ireland and I hate it with a passion.

    It's amazing to listen to some of the tunes some of the younger lads in work listen to and it certainly isn't that pop and RnB dirt. These lads are in their early to mid 20's. They listen to music from the 60's right up to today but mostly the turn off from them about radio is the constant bombardment of Pop and RnB and nothing else mostly especially in the more country areas.

    The fundamental flaw in the licensing rules means stations must have certain material for the youth during the day time and they're more relaxed in the evening and night and that means the radio stations think that means pop music and RnB but it's only teenagers that listen to this crap and only because they think it's cool to be listening to music that's a few months old and anything older than that is for pensioners !

    What should be done is a survey to find out what people want to listen to not what the networks think we want to hear !


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Mad_Lad take a warning for quite obviously not reading the post above. Next person that does not mention the words "long wave", "AM" or some variation thereof gets a 48 hour ban


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    icdg wrote: »
    Mad_Lad take a warning for quite obviously not reading the post above. Next person that does not mention the words "long wave", "AM" or some variation thereof gets a 48 hour ban

    I was writing my post and hit submit before I saw your post, look at the times, no need for a warning at all thanks all the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    Does anyone on here live near the transmitter site? If so did you see any evidence of work being carried out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    kazoo106 wrote: »
    RTE Made a big deal in 2008 of moving Radio 1 from Clermont Carn from 95.2 to 87.8 (95.3 is used by BBC on Carnmoney hill near Belfast) - the reason given was that 87.8 would be more clear in Belfast

    http://www.rte.ie/about/en/press-office/press-releases/2008/0305/292418-rteradio1newfrequency/

    In Reality 87.8 is s**t across all of the city with serious multipath and fade - Clermont Carn is 70km from Belfast and the best comparison I can make is listening to the same frequency (87.8) in Dublin

    The only reliable car reception is on 252 and I have highlighted this many times only for me to be criticised here, that nobody wants to listen to RTE there etc etc - utter bull - RTE Radio IS listened to in Belfast and I'd guarantee their figures (if available in RAJAR) are in double percentage points for a certain demographic. The only information I can find for RTE share is from an old Ofcom publication and says that it has an 8% market share across Northern Ireland.

    If that 8% carried across Belfast (and I'd bet that that figure is higher) which has a population of 532,000 - this puts RTE share in the city at 42,560 people.
    Tend to agree with most points here but in some parts of North and West Belfast reception of RTE1 on FM is pretty decent. As my car radio has no LW I'm stumped when driving in most of Belfast when I want to listen to RTE1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    Go up high enough on the west of the city and you'll hear the Dublin pirates on FM !!
    It's the city centre and westlink where the big problem is on FM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    kazoo106 wrote: »
    Go up high enough on the west of the city and you'll hear the Dublin pirates on FM !!
    It's the city centre and westlink where the big problem is on FM

    Absolutely spot on. As most of areas in East of NI outside of Belfast are well covered by CC on 87.8 FM, putting RTE1 FM on either Black Mountain or Carnmoney or both as they do with the NIMM for TV reception of RTE1/2 and TG4 would do the trick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    kazoo106 wrote: »
    Go up high enough on the west of the city and you'll hear the Dublin pirates on FM !!
    It's the city centre and westlink where the big problem is on FM

    Absolutely spot on. As most of areas in East of NI outside of Belfast are well covered by CC on 87.8 FM, putting RTE1 FM on either Black Mountain or Carnmoney or both as they do with the NIMM for TV reception of RTE1/2 and TG4 would do the trick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,152 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Reception of Radio Ulster and Radio 4 can be a bit ropy on FM in South Dublin. Putting a BBC transmitter on Three Rock or Kippure would do the trick.

    The NI Minimux was the result of a deal in conjunction with the digital switchover. There were no analogue transmitters before that. Such a deal could have been done years before for FM, but it wasn't.

    Putting RTE on FM in cities in GB would also give continued reception if LW closes. But I can't see any incentive for NI or GB to give us spectrum and/or transmitters on FM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    Correct - that will probably never happen
    I still standby my MW suggestion from Monaghan. Lowish power would do the trick. Kiss FM did it in the 80's on 1008kHz, Spirit are doing it right now and it works. If spirit can afford it - so can RTE


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  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They were moaning today about loosing money so I bet LW 252 will be gone a lot sooner than later and 567 and 252 equipment dismantled and sold. Chinese are buying transmitters like they're going out of fashion.

    Like all the land RTE are selling, it's a short term fix to a much larger problem and that is RTE as a company are dying and they now need to start researching what people want and not what they think we want. they need to think long term and not look for quick ineffective solutions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭Antenna


    The NI Minimux was the result of a deal in conjunction with the digital switchover. There were no analogue transmitters before that.

    actually there was one - a low power analogue UHF transmitter for TG4 to Belfast went on air in 2005


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Oscarziggy wrote: »

    So as soon as I read ultimate it is a decision for RTÉ I stopped reading. It must first go to the Dept of Comms under the act


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 William99


    No wonder the minister has been briefed, I heard a couple of "save 252" campaigners on a local radio station recently and they both almost had an orgasm about drm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭Antenna


    William99 wrote: »
    on a local radio station recently

    Why post extremely vague postings like this, if this did happen? What local radio station / where?


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DRM is pretty good but needs a better signal, analogue is hampered by RFI but most people don't understand that to get good Lw, Mw and Sw reception you need to get the antenna outdoors just like with TV.

    Unfortunately there are no commercially available radios that decode DRM but to hear crystal clear radio from India is amazing, I've listened on my SDR and my Tecsun S2000 has a digital out for a decoder I must try out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Absolutely spot on. As most of areas in East of NI outside of Belfast are well covered by CC on 87.8 FM, putting RTE1 FM on either Black Mountain or Carnmoney or both as they do with the NIMM for TV reception of RTE1/2 and TG4 would do the trick.

    Is RTE 1 now on DAB in Belfast? I was surprised to pick it up there. Not a squeak from RTE Gold though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    For reference purposes, here is a video recorded this morning of both RTE Radio 1 on 87.8 and Spirit Radio on 549kHz in Belfast.
    I probably should have tuned them in reverse as RTE gets progressively worse at the end of the westlink !
    https://vimeo.com/227068707

    Also note the amount of cars with white rear plates


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    kazoo106 wrote: »
    For reference purposes, here is a video recorded this morning of both RTE Radio 1 on 87.8 and Spirit Radio on 549kHz in Belfast.
    I probably should have tuned them in reverse as RTE gets progressively worse at the end of the westlink !
    https://vimeo.com/227068707

    Also note the amount of cars with white rear plates

    I'm actually surprised RTE1FM is as clear as it sounds on that video but it really fades out when under any bridge or flyover. Comparison with Spirit radio is fascinating since it is a niche station. If only RTE1 had its slot in the AM band!


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