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The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

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  • #3692
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,132 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Anything to be said for putting brendan back wing back and bring Dan to midfield and O'Meara onto the wing?

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  • #3693
    [Deleted User]
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    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Anything to be said for putting brendan back wing back and bring Dan to midfield and O'Meara onto the wing?

    Perhaps try Brendan at 6, Kennedy at 8, and Ronan at 5?


  • #3694
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,132 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Perhaps try Brendan at 6, Kennedy at 8, and Ronan at 5?

    Pity we didn't try a few more combinations during the league, especially in the game against offaly and the championship games against Westmeath and Dublin.

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  • #3695
    evolving tipperary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    I like the idea of the two Borris men in midfield.  By shifting Brendan out of midfield its create another possible issue - not just one midfielder without much experience there but two. Brendan is far the most experienced midfielder we have - he has won two Allirelands at midfield


  • #3696
    evolving tipperary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    apparently, a delegation of senior players approached Ryan advocating Barrett's return...

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0726/893224-ryan-rules-out-barrett-return-to-tipperary-panel/


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  • #3697
    Powerhouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    evolving tipperary wrote: »
    apparently, a delegation of senior players approached Ryan advocating Barrett's return...

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0726/893224-ryan-rules-out-barrett-return-to-tipperary-panel/


    "Advocating" seems a bit strong. Here's what the report you cite says on that point "it’s understood that a delegation of senior players approached Ryan recently to gauge whether or not he would reconsider his stance."

    That sounds to be like Cathal Barrett having the ear of those senior players and everybody wanting to know how the land lies, rather than "we think he should come back". Then again I am only on the outside looking in but the report is far more neutral in its tone than your post suggests I think.


  • #3698
    evolving tipperary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    evolving tipperary wrote: »
    apparently, a delegation of senior players approached Ryan advocating Barrett's return...

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0726/893224-ryan-rules-out-barrett-return-to-tipperary-panel/


    "Advocating" seems a bit strong. Here's what the report you cite says on that point "it’s understood that a delegation of senior players approached Ryan recently to gauge whether or not he would reconsider his stance."

    That sounds to be like Cathal Barrett having the ear of those senior players and everybody wanting to know how the land lies, rather than "we think he should come back". Then again I am only on the outside looking in but the report is far more neutral in its tone than your post suggests I think.
    I think you've misread it: '
    whether or not he would reconsider his stance' 

    Reconsider - seems like the key word and the phrase 'his stance'. As in, Ryan's stance. It's not one bit neutral. If you're asking someone to reconsider - you're advocating the opposite stance... you might be doing it tentatively...but you're looking to question someone on a stance they've taken on an issue.


  • #3699
    Powerhouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    evolving tipperary wrote: »
    I think you've misread it: '
    whether or not he would reconsider his stance' 

    Reconsider - seems like the key word and the phrase 'his stance'. As in, Ryan's stance. It's not one bit neutral. If you're asking someone to reconsider - you're advocating the opposite stance... you might be doing it tentatively...but you're looking to question someone on a stance they've taken on an issue.

    Of course the word "reconsider" matters. Of course at some level there was a sense that he might reconsider - isn't it the talk of discussion boards and even the Sunday Game. Why raise the question at all otherwise if the possibility of him changing the situation did not come into it?

    The real issue here is your replacing the verb "gauge" (assessing, testing the water) with "advocating" (in my mind forcefully and with presumed authority recommending bringing him back). "Advocating"* suggests that the manager has lost the dressing-room and had players trying to dictate to him.

    Maybe I was being too benign in my interpretation. Mick Ryan in his last weeks as Tipperary manager? That might well be the case.

    * According to the OED, "advocate" means "publicly recommend or support" - nothing too tentative about that. It is close to a direct challenge to their authority. Maybe that's what it was. Then again maybe not and that might be why the journalist did not choose the word?


  • #3700
    evolving tipperary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    evolving tipperary wrote: »
    I think you've misread it: '
    whether or not he would reconsider his stance' 

    Reconsider - seems like the key word and the phrase 'his stance'. As in, Ryan's stance. It's not one bit neutral. If you're asking someone to reconsider - you're advocating the opposite stance... you might be doing it tentatively...but you're looking to question someone on a stance they've taken on an issue.

    Of course the word "reconsider" matters. Of course at some level there was a sense that he might reconsider - isn't it the talk of discussion boards and even the Sunday Game. Why raise the question at all otherwise if the possibility of him changing the situation did not come into it?

    The real issue here is your replacing the verb "gauge" (assessing, testing the water ) with "advocating" (forcefully and with presumed authority recommending bringing him back). "Advocating" suggests that the manager has lost the dressing-room and had players trying to dictate to him.

    Maybe I was being too benign in my interpretation. Mick Ryan in his last weeks as Tipperary manager?     That might well be the case.

    No, no it doesn't! Think you might have an overactive imagination! It doesn't suggest anything of the sort. Senior players and manager can discuss things amicably. I don't where you are getting that from!


  • #3701
    evolving tipperary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    * According to the OED, "advocate" means "publicly recommend or support" - nothing too tentative about that. It is close to a direct challenge to their authority. Maybe that's what it was. Then again maybe not and that might be why the journalist did not choose the word?

    Thankfully, nobody introduces an Oxford English dictionary in conversation. That would be beyond the point wouldn't it? 
    That's for undergraduates doing bad essays? Yes?


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  • #3702
    Powerhouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    evolving tipperary wrote: »
    No, no it doesn't! Think you might have an overactive imagination! It doesn't suggest anything of the sort. Senior players and manager can discuss things amicably. I don't where you are getting that from!

    I'm getting it from your use of the word "advocate". I took the initial report which said players went to "gauge" his view as meaning quite a neutral discussion but you disagreed. I simply followed your claim to its logical conclusion.


  • #3703
    Powerhouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    evolving tipperary wrote: »
    Thankfully, nobody introduces an Oxford English dictionary in conversation. That would be beyond the point wouldn't it? 
    That's for undergraduates doing bad essays? Yes?

    If words don't have an agreed meaning how are people supposed to communicate? Funnily enough I doubt the ones doing the bad essays are the ones citing the OED.


  • #3704
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,132 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Barrett would be very popular and there's no doubt the players would love him back but he's only just returned to club action and couldn't possibly be ready for Galway.

    Were we to beat Galway then we'll have a month until the final and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cathal brought back in then, most likely for a spot on the bench.

    I know Mick said today no new players will be added but Barrett wouldn't exactly be new.

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  • #3705
    Limestone1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭Limestone1


    What did Barret do?


  • #3706
    evolving tipperary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    evolving tipperary wrote: »
    No, no it doesn't! Think you might have an overactive imagination! It doesn't suggest anything of the sort. Senior players and manager can discuss things amicably. I don't where you are getting that from!

    I'm getting it from your use of the word "advocate". I took the initial report which said players went to "gauge" his view as meaning quite a neutral discussion but you disagreed. I simply followed your claim to its logical conclusion.
    Nope, you just went off on a mad imaginative spiel about events that did not and are not going to happen


  • #3707
    evolving tipperary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Barrett would be very popular and there's no doubt the players would love him back but he's only just returned to club action and couldn't possibly be ready for Galway.

    Were we to beat Galway then we'll have a month until the final and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cathal brought back in then, most likely for a spot on the bench.

    I know Mick said today no new players will be added but Barrett wouldn't exactly be new.
    Yes, good point. He just said no one added for the semi. But, it would be hard to see him just brought in for the final. 'But Ryan made it clear to his squad in Thurles that there will be no additions ahead of the showdown with the Tribesmen at Croke Park'


  • #3708
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭digzy


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    If words don't have an agreed meaning how are people supposed to communicate? Funnily enough I doubt the ones doing the bad essays are the ones citing the OED.

    Wtf? What a load of nonsense posts.

    If senior players (I was told brendan, Paudie and seamie) approached mgmt regarding a possible return of cathal barrett it's pretty obvious that they want him back in themselves.

    Dunno if cathal got them to test the waters, but if they didn't want him back only an idiot would assume they would approach mgmt regarding his return in such a circumstance.

    Are you the lost sheeps even more argumentative twin? Maybe crossed with the rantings of the xenophile.....


  • #3709
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭digzy


    Limestone1 wrote: »
    What did Barret do?

    He's been living under a rock for the last few months and hasn't a clue what day of the week we have:confused:


  • #3710
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭digzy


    All this Barrett talk is sooo boring. He's a corner back (albeit a good one in an area of serious weakness for us). He's not seamie callanan. The guy ain't a factor for the sf.


    Jesus Christ lads build a bridge....


  • #3711
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,286 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    digzy wrote: »
    All this Barrett talk is sooo boring. He's a corner back (albeit a good one in an area of serious weakness for us). He's not seamie callanan. The guy ain't a factor for the sf.


    Jesus Christ lads build a bridge....


    We are weak at the back and Barrett is top notch but im going to back Micks judgement on this. This was obviously more than a lad just going out for a few sneaky pints. We cant give out about players getting into trouble on one hand and then give out about the managers stance in the next sentence

    The Archbishop, once rang the Greater Manchester Police to make a case of behalf of a player in the past. We have been waiting along time to address discipline issues and a line should have been drawn in the sand long time ago.
    We can no longer allow situations where individuals become more important than the team and the objective.


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  • #3712
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,132 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Jack Kennedy over in Australia for Aussie Rules trials, would be another big loss.

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  • #3713
    [Deleted User]
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    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Jack Kennedy over in Australia for Aussie Rules trials, would be another big loss.

    While tall and good at fielding, im not sure Jack would be as suited long term to Aussie Rules. He's quite a classy footballer and not a cynical player.


  • #3714
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    trying to get tickets for the semi but Ticketmaster keeps showing me seats at the corner flag. Are there any other outlets selling them other than TM?


  • #3715
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,132 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    trying to get tickets for the semi but Ticketmaster keeps showing me seats at the corner flag. Are there any other outlets selling them other than TM?

    Tickets.ie

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  • #3716
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    trying to get tickets for the semi but Ticketmaster keeps showing me seats at the corner flag. Are there any other outlets selling them other than TM?

    tickets.ie had some decent ones on Hogan Upper Level yesterday


  • #3717
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Yeah it looks like they are gone, I tried tickets.ie just there and they are giving me the same corner flag seats as Ticketmaster ! Will keep an eye on Donedeal and Adverts and hopefully something decent will come up


  • #3718
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Yeah it looks like they are gone, I tried tickets.ie just there and they are giving me the same corner flag seats as Ticketmaster ! Will keep an eye on Donedeal and Adverts and hopefully something decent will come up


  • #3719
    Mokuba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Mokuba


    I have mine already but I just randomly checked there and got offered 328 in Hogan Lower, which is fairly decent. Bet there are some others in that area right now, even those ones could still be there.


  • #3720
    Powerhouse
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    digzy wrote: »
    Wtf? What a load of nonsense posts.

    If senior players (I was told brendan, Paudie and seamie) approached mgmt regarding a possible return of cathal barrett it's pretty obvious that they want him back in themselves..


    What a pile of ****e. If you had read my posts you'd have seen that I assumed that those who approached the manager wanted the player back. That was never the in question. The question was if this amounts to a split in the camp which will emerge later. That's why the nature of the word used to describe the approach actually mattered.


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  • #3721
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭digzy


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    What a pile of ****e. the nature of the word used to describe the approach actually mattered.

    Ah here, mattered to whom...you?
    Grow up and stop acting the clown.

    I've mentioned the players who approached the manager. Who were you expecting to lead the 'delegation'...Tos hamill!


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