Huge rise in adults living at home

jamesthepeach · 28-07-2017 07:33AM

I was in my sister's house yesterday and my niece and a couple.of.her friends were on the kitchen chatting about a guy one of them met.
The gist of it was.that she really liked him but ...... ick, he lives with his parents and he is 28. I can't date a guy living with his parents. Yeah, neither could i, cut him loose ....

All very shallow. Girls wouldn't have been like that in my day. And my sister was rolling her eyes to me. Told me there is a long list of things that will get a guy dumped by those girls and living at home is a regular one.

Back on topic though, if I were to be living with parents I would be paying them the same as I would normally be paying to rent a room and then chipping in for food and bill's too. I see a lot of people who's kids are basically freeloading off their parents in their late 20s and 30s and it's really not fair.

hairyslug · 28-07-2017 07:43AM

I moved out when I was 17 (20 years ago), rented for 6/7 years and moved home for about 9 months (this was not an easy move), then bought my first apartment, for a lot of people around my age, it was a hell of a lot easier to get a mortgage 10/15 years ago and rent was a lot less.

myshirt · 28-07-2017 07:45AM

worded wrote: »

That's too harsh IMO

Some people need a few bounce back to the net before making it in the world and it can suit parents as well.

No one should paracite off their folks indefinitely but no harm in symbiosis now and again.

So a young person or not so young should go homeless for a year or two in between jobs or doing a course with no funds rather than return home for help for an agreed length of time ? If it suits both parties ?

You will find that necessity breeds creation. People don't know what they are capable of until their backs are against the wall. There might be fear, panic, anxiety, I get it, but what are we raising - a generation of snowflakes?

I absolutely wouldn't allow my offspring back into the house. You are trying to develop people who can cope with life challenges, and have the courage and strength to meet whatever life throws at them head on. They are not babies.

jamesthepeach · 28-07-2017 07:58AM

myshirt wrote: »

You will find that necessity breeds creation. People don't know what they are capable of until their backs are against the wall. There might be fear, panic, anxiety, I get it, but what are we raising - a generation of snowflakes?

I absolutely wouldn't allow my offspring back into the house. You are trying to develop people who can cope with life challenges, and have the courage and strength to meet whatever life throws at them head on. They are not babies.

I agree.
You would think the current generation has it harder than the ones before to listen to them.
I guess it's the same with every generation.
I remember even thinking myself that we had it harder than anyone in history.
Well you grow up and you somehow get perspective that you don't seem to have e before you grow up and realize that it actually was easier for you than the previous generations. And when you look back further you realize that in reality each generation has it easier than the previous .

Yourself isit · 28-07-2017 08:02AM

jamesthepeach wrote: »

I agree.
You would think the current generation has it harder than the ones before to listen to them.
I guess it's the same with every generation.
I remember even thinking myself that we had it harder than anyone in history.
Well you grow up and you somehow get perspective that you don't seem to have e before you grow up and realize that it actually was easier for you than the previous generations. And when you look back further you realize that in reality each generation has it easier than the previous .

Obviously though in respect to housing it isn't actually as easy is it? Hence more people living at home.

JupiterKid · 28-07-2017 08:02AM

myshirt wrote: »

You will find that necessity breeds creation. People don't know what they are capable of until their backs are against the wall. There might be fear, panic, anxiety, I get it, but what are we raising - a generation of snowflakes?

I absolutely wouldn't allow my offspring back into the house. You are trying to develop people who can cope with life challenges, and have the courage and strength to meet whatever life throws at them head on. They are not babies.

So, you would rather see your offspring go homeless and destitute than give them a helping hand to get them back on their feet? Lovely.

buried · 28-07-2017 08:05AM

myshirt wrote: »

We are the only species on this planet to raise our children, kick them out of the nest, but then let them back in.

No other species does this. It's on your bike.

Its true, we should do like other species do, take over something else's nest and territory through intimidation and violence. I know a good few politicians gaff's I wouldn't mind living in.

jamesthepeach · 28-07-2017 08:10AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Obviously though in respect to housing it isn't actually as easy is it? Hence more people living at home.

It's the samea s it always have.
People assume that it was somehow easier or buy a house or pay rent in years gone by. That is only true for about 1998 to 2007.

Before that it was actually tougher on all counts than it is now. Hardship didn't just begin when the internet did.

Wheeliebin30 · 28-07-2017 08:11AM

Let's be honest there is too many people on the planet now.

We need a good world war or disease to wipe a good few out.

It's unsustainable in the long run.

theteal · 28-07-2017 08:21AM

jamesthepeach wrote: »

It's the samea s it always have.
People assume that it was somehow easier or buy a house or pay rent in years gone by. That is only true for about 1998 to 2007.

Before that it was actually tougher on all counts than it is now. Hardship didn't just begin when the internet did.

Not so. Signs are starting to show the current generation of young adults will not have an easy ride.

Guardian article

Oranage2 · 28-07-2017 08:23AM

I'd be personally embarrassed to move back home now, I haven't even lived in the country for the past 5 years.

But I could see how easy it is to have to move back in with the parents for any late twenties or early thirties person - a basic uni degree, the global reccesion, a string of jobs and a socialable lifestyle will have a lot of people with little savings and the only other option of paying money into a black hole that is the renting market.

Tell me how · 28-07-2017 08:24AM

myshirt wrote:

There might be fear, panic, anxiety, I get it, but what are we raising - a generation of snowflakes?

Snowflakes? Ugh.

myshirt wrote:

I absolutely wouldn't allow my offspring back into the house.

They're probably not bearing the door down with that welcome.

If I ever have children, I'd like to think I would never stop doing something to make their life easier if I could.

Agree people have to face challenges and to be strong enough for this but we're all going to die anyway, you, me and all future people.
Why not be nice while you can?

jamesthepeach · 28-07-2017 08:24AM

theteal wrote: »

Not so. Signs are starting to show the current generation of young adults will not have an easy ride.

Guardian article

I'm sorry , but it's certainly not harder for this generation then previous.
And it's not too long ago even that you were taken out of school and sent to work to "earn your keep" either, along with numerous other hardships which I won't bother to mention, because today's generation wouldn't believe it anyway.

Yourself isit · 28-07-2017 08:25AM

jamesthepeach wrote: »

It's the samea s it always have.
People assume that it was somehow easier or buy a house or pay rent in years gone by. That is only true for about 1998 to 2007.

Before that it was actually tougher on all counts than it is now. Hardship didn't just begin when the internet did.

So it's not the same as it was a generation ago? This is the discussion and you are in fact contradicting your last statement about every generation having it easier.

And the aim of economic policy shouldn't be to go back to pre 1998 or before and then say - it's not as bad as it was then.

I don't think either that for people with jobs the 80's and 90's actually had it harder. The age people got a mortgage was younger.

sullivlo · 28-07-2017 08:26AM

I am 31 and I still live in the family home.

I lived away for 4 years, and had to move back for college. I had no income so I had to live at home. Then when I got a job it was a short term contract that meant I couldn't sign a lease. I was unemployed for a brief period of time, and then had a few more short term contracts. My periods of unemployment ate into any sort of savings that I had, and the rental market in Dublin is just crazy currently.

I'm now back in college. Again. So I'm here for the foreseeable.

My family is unique in our setup. Live with my mum, gran, uncle and great aunt. My gran has macular degeneration, is legally blind and needs help to do a lot of things. My great aunt has dementia and requires a lot of input from family that I feel obligated to help out with. By choice though, if my family thought it was me being coerced into it they'd kick me out!! It's not though, my gran and aunt provided for me lots when I was a kid, they need practical support now and I can do that.

Will I be at home forever? Who knows. I'm currently content with my setup. I know I get laughed at my people for still being at home at 31, but it's not the usual setup. I'm under no obligation, it's not like being a teenager. We are a group of adult who live together, yet independently of each other. We have our own lives, and yes there is a certain element of overlap as we have friends from generations of families (my mum is friends with my best friends parents since before we were born; my gran was friends with her grandparents before they died), but we're all content with things.

Yourself isit · 28-07-2017 08:28AM

jamesthepeach wrote: »

I'm sorry , but it's certainly not harder for this generation then previous.
And it's not too long ago even that you were taken out of school and sent to work to "earn your keep" either, along with numerous other hardships which I won't bother to mention, because today's generation wouldn't believe it anyway.

No facts will persuade you. And you change your argument from last generation to the 50's at a whim.

Btw the poor mouth from a man with more than one property is a bit much.

jamesthepeach · 28-07-2017 08:28AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

So it's not the same as it was a generation ago? This is the discussion and you are in fact contradicting your last statement about every generation having it easier.

And the aim of economic policy shouldn't be to go back to pre 1998 or before and then say - it's not as bad as it was then.

I don't think either that for people with jobs the 80's and 90's actually had it harder. The age people got a mortgage was younger.

I don't think you are getting the point at all tbh.
But carry on with the woe is me and I have it harder than anyone else ever had.
Obviously it is believed, but only believed by the snowflake generation I would wager.
Ask anyone who grew up before the snowflakes and they will tell you how they had it. Then you can compare.

gizmo81 · 28-07-2017 08:29AM

Rental landscape is ridiculous. Landlords will get harsher regulation and severe punishments because of the way they cannot regulate themselves.

Imagine paying €600 for a room in Ballybough with no heating.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-and-more-of-us-have-no-option-but-to-return-home-due-to-rent-prices-35975701.html

Plus, you have to love the causal sexism of the landlord. They really can't help themselves.

Wibbs · 28-07-2017 08:30AM

myshirt wrote: »

We are the only species on this planet to raise our children, kick them out of the nest, but then let them back in.

No other species does this. It's on your bike.

Actually not quite, humans aren't birds. Most social group animals live as extended families, as did humans for most of our history. The seen as independent entity nuclear family is quite recent.

jamesthepeach · 28-07-2017 08:30AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

No facts will persuade you. And you change your argument from last generation to the 50's at a whim.

Btw the poor mouth from a man with more than one property is a bit much.

Oh Jesus.
Listen to yourself.
The fact are easy to come by.
Ask people born at any time prior to the 1990s about hardship in their teens and 20s . They will fill you in.

jamesthepeach · 28-07-2017 08:31AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

No facts will persuade you. And you change your argument from last generation to the 50's at a whim.

Btw the poor mouth from a man with more than one property is a bit much.

Oh Jesus.
Listen to yourself.
The fact are easy to come by.
Ask people born at any time prior to the 1990s about hardship in their teens and 20s . They will fill you in.

Yourself isit · 28-07-2017 08:34AM

jamesthepeach wrote: »

I don't think you are getting the point at all tbh.
But carry on with the woe is me and I have it harder than anyone else ever had.
Obviously it is believed, but only believed by the snowflake generation I would wager.
Ask anyone who grew up before the snowflakes and they will tell you how they had it. Then you can compare.

I am getting your point. I am disagreeing with it. People used to be able to buy houses younger and cheaper.

And where did I go "woe is me". I'm middle aged (39 near 40) and have owned for 5 years in ireland and before that elsewhere , I got lucky.

Unlike you though I'm not going to play the poor mouth with the present younger house buying generation. Stats are clear - they have it worse.

Parts of your generation had it so good that you managed to become a property owner a few times over, from which pedestal you preach at the "snowflakes" you charge exorbitant rent to.

Wibbs · 28-07-2017 08:34AM

gizmo81 wrote: »

Rental landscape is ridiculous. Landlords will get harsher regulation and severe punishments because of the way they cannot regulate themselves.

Imagine paying €600 for a room in Ballybough with no heating.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-and-more-of-us-have-no-option-but-to-return-home-due-to-rent-prices-35975701.html

Plus, you have to love the causal sexism of the landlord. They really can't help themselves.

More that they don't have to care. The supply and demand environment fosters it. Not saying being a landlord is a breeze either BTW. It most certainly is not at the smaller end of the scale.

But yet again the government/banks/planners have fooked up with housing. From building far too many causing a daft bubble then, to now building far too few causing a different bubble now. And it was as obvious as the nose on their gin soaked faces back then as it is now.

Yourself isit · 28-07-2017 08:35AM

jamesthepeach wrote: »

Oh Jesus.
Listen to yourself.
The fact are easy to come by.
Ask people born at any time prior to the 1990s about hardship in their teens and 20s . They will fill you in.

I was born then

whisky_galore · 28-07-2017 08:38AM

gizmo81 wrote: »

Rental landscape is ridiculous. Landlords will get harsher regulation and severe punishments because of the way they cannot regulate themselves.

Imagine paying €600 for a room in Ballybough with no heating.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-and-more-of-us-have-no-option-but-to-return-home-due-to-rent-prices-35975701.html

Plus, you have to love the causal sexism of the landlord. They really can't help themselves.

Read the article, in fairness there's no way you can have a place working in cafes and restaurants on min. wage unless you live at home or live in a house share student-style.

Let's face it, anyone desperate to get out of living at home and not prepared to rough it will have to consider emigrating.

Dravokivich · 28-07-2017 08:39AM

jamesthepeach wrote: »

It's the samea s it always have.
People assume that it was somehow easier or buy a house or pay rent in years gone by. That is only true for about 1998 to 2007.

Before that it was actually tougher on all counts than it is now. Hardship didn't just begin when the internet did.

If my parents tried to get a mortgage at the age of 22 now, the same way they did 33 years ago, they'd be laughed out the bank.

gizmo81 · 28-07-2017 08:42AM

Wibbs wrote: »

More that they don't have to care. The supply and demand environment fosters it. Not saying being a landlord is a breeze either BTW. It most certainly is not at the smaller end of the scale.

But yet again the government/banks/planners have fooked up with housing. From building far too many causing a daft bubble then, to now building far too few causing a different bubble now. And it was as obvious as the nose on their gin soaked faces back then as it is now.

I just find it funny that landlords think they can set up a business and then will not have any regulation.

Nobody feels sorry for landlords. I posted from the RTB 2015 report earlier this week. I% of registered tenancies ending in overloading, as opposed to 8% of deposit retention. All stats showed landlords in a bad light but then the A&P landlord contingent tell us it's because a €15 dispute costs too much, it costs too much because the landlord will lose because they aren't aware of the scope of their obligations.

I feel that these petty actions will only serve to galvanise constituents into forcing more action from the government.

Captain Havoc · 28-07-2017 08:43AM

I'm caring for my mum, how many of those still at home are carers?

gizmo81 · 28-07-2017 08:43AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Read the article, in fairness there's no way you can have a place working in cafes and restaurants on min. wage unless you live at home or live in a house share student-style.

Let's face it, anyone desperate to get out of living at home and not prepared to rough it will have to consider emigrating.

Nobody needs to 'rough it' we have minimum standards for rental accommodation which all landlords should be familiar with.

neonsofa · 28-07-2017 08:45AM

Anyone who uses the term "snowflake" in the context of how it is being used in this thread, is more anyone than the generation/people they're complaining about imo.

Huge rise in adults living at home

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