Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Lord TSC · 27-07-2017 03:18PM

I wonder is the issue that United said to Jose he had a €200m transfer budget, and now he's trying to get more. I know it's frustrating for both sides, and I'd expect that they thought giving him €200m would go further than it looks to be going....

Mitch Connor · 27-07-2017 03:19PM

bangkok wrote: »

They do want perisic, they just dont want to pay the ridiculous fee that inter are asking. Matic deal is being held up by chelsea, trying to get their revenge for lukaku. Dier is a no go. 2 words. Daniel Levy

So, according to what you have written there...

Perisic - club won't fund the deal required (as Castles states is Mourinho's worry).
Matic - your opinion - articles last week (only articles but will be of better backing, imo, than your opinion) is that Chelsea will sell if United pay up. Again, funding of the deal.
Dier - that seems to be the case alright. Once City got Walker I could see Spurs shutting down to any further sales.

jayo26 · 27-07-2017 03:21PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

That doesn't matter when it comes to their willingness to fund further deals. If they don't want to fund Perisic or Matic or Dier, then they don't want to fund them, and probably wouldn't want to fund Bale.

I, and apparently Mourinho, want United to fund the purchases of the players Mourinho wants and feels are required to give us a chance at competing for the PL and CL.

It doesn't work like that. Unites unlike the two clubs you mentioned has to function like a normal business if they think that the midfielder mentioned are not doable then they won't do it. Of they think they can sign bale for an inflated price and recover that in the way of sponsorship and merchandising they will do it.

Pogba last year was not worth the half of what United paid for him bit they could make it work due to the business model.

Your going on reports from media where as José himself has said numerous times that if they can't get them at the right price he is happy to do without there is still over a month of transfer window left id be surprised u tend don't sign one of the defensive midfielders.

If the club did what you want them to do they would not be a competitive club for much longer I'm sure others agree with you that's why we have opinions but it does not make much sense business wise.

bangkok · 27-07-2017 03:22PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Possibly is. But I don't believe Castles attributes anything to Mourinho, that Mourinho does not want said.

It could be lies, it could be part of a game being played - but I have zero doubt it is at the behest of Mourinho rather than Castles just writing that on a whim.

To me, the link between Mourinho, Mendes and Castles, in terms of what Castles writes, is obvious.

You also have to remember the likes of bale/neymar would never have been on a list submitted by jose to ed 4 or 5 months ago.

Greiezmann deal was the no1 deal followed up lukaku and lindelof and after that a dm.

Griezmann deal collapsed and id say the next target was perisic....but now there is Mbappe and his potential move to madrid which 5 months ago was not likely so the bale rumours start up.

Messi signs a new mega 1m a week contract, neymar seems unhappy so he could be on the market. You can bet that utd have spoken to both bale and neymar agents to see what the story is... why sign perisic if they can get one of either bale or neymar and id say thats where we are at right now

jayo26 · 27-07-2017 03:25PM

So basically what mitch wants the club to do is go on and buy something they don't think is value for money?

bangkok · 27-07-2017 03:25PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So, according to what you have written there...

Perisic - club won't fund the deal required (as Castles states is Mourinho's worry).
Matic - your opinion - articles last week (only articles but will be of better backing, imo, than your opinion) is that Chelsea will sell if United pay up. Again, funding of the deal.
Dier - that seems to be the case alright. Once City got Walker I could see Spurs shutting down to any further sales.

But you cannot pay what a player is not worth. Obviously pay over the odds a bit as its united involved but not 20-25m more. Thats just silly.

Lukker- · 27-07-2017 03:26PM

bangkok wrote: »

You also have to remember the likes of bale/neymar would never have been on a list submitted by jose to ed 4 or 5 months ago.

Greiezmann deal was the no1 deal followed up lukaku and lindelof and after that a dm.

Griezmann deal collapsed and id say the next target was perisic....but now there is Mbappe and his potential move to madrid which 5 months ago was not likely so the bale rumours start up.

Messi signs a new mega 1m a week contract, neymar seems unhappy so he could be on the market. You can bet that utd have spoken to both bale and neymar agents to see what the story is... why sign perisic if they can get one of either bale or neymar and id say thats where we are at right now

Why sign anyone when you can sign Neymar and Bale........

Adamocovic · 27-07-2017 03:27PM

We might want to rename the forum to "Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours/Finance Thread 2017" :pac:

The days of discussing actual football performances can't come soon enough for me. Majority of summer is spent with people speculating about how much money is available, how much we will spend, why it won't be enough and financial structures of the club.

I'm aware that it's all part of the sport but I'm bowing out until the league starts back up. Everyday seems to be back to the same argument about spending, to be expected during the transfer window I know, but it's rather personal opinions and speculation when it comes to our spending, facts don't seem to matter.

So enjoy folks, unless something drastic happens like Phil Jones gets given the number 7 jersey or Nicky Butt decides to lace back up his boots, I'm keeping the head down. See you all August 8th!

jayo26 · 27-07-2017 03:29PM

Lukker- wrote: »

Why sign anyone when you can sign Neymar and Bale........

How can you? Bale seemingly doesn't want to move and near has a for good reasons astronomical high release clause the only people that will buy him is the club's funded by the east.

Mitch Connor · 27-07-2017 03:32PM

jayo26 wrote: »

So basically what mitch wants the club to do is go on and buy something they don't think is value for money?

I want them to buy the players Jose feels are required to make the club competitive, rather than sign no one and resign ourselves to another season in 6th place.

I'm not saying I want Neymar and Bale signed and if we don't the club is a failure (though I'd love both and am disappointed United don't seem to be showing any interest in competing for Neymar).

Mitch Connor · 27-07-2017 03:33PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

The days of discussing actual football performances can't come soon enough for me. M

I got shouted down for that the other night too.

Things Mitch is not allowed to discuss:

Transfers. Woodward. Mourinho. Player performances. Team performances.

Lukker- · 27-07-2017 03:33PM

jayo26 wrote: »

How can you? Bale seemingly doesn't want to move and near has a for good reasons astronomical high release clause the only people that will buy him is the club's funded by the east.

Yeah it was rhetorical! Persicic even at £50m would be a fraction of the cost of Bale/Neymar. They probably want 500k a week minimum on top of a £200m transfer fee. Messi is on 40m a year, so if they even got close to that, your talking about a transfer that will cost £400m total

jayo26 · 27-07-2017 03:39PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I want them to buy the players Jose feels are required to make the club competitive, rather than sign no one and resign ourselves to another season in 6th place.

I'm not saying I want Neymar and Bale signed and if we don't the club is a failure (though I'd love both and am disappointed United don't seem to be showing any interest in competing for Neymar).

Sorry mitch but no one expected us to sign lukaku until 3 days before the deal went threw the media that your judging your stories have not much idea of what United are showing interest in.

For all we know united could have made enquiries to Neymar agent or Barcelona and said what's the story and they said he will not be moving unless someone pays his release clause to which united said OK were out thats double what we paid for lukaku it's unfeasible.

Contact bale agent and ask would Bale be up for a move?? No he loves Madrid..... OK no problem we will leave it alone.

And signing no one we already have signed two first team players and more then likely we will sign at least one more if not two but your judging it as what the media are saying is fact.

By all means Jose's number one target was griezman he. Ain't available so they move to perisic who is been over priced so maybe united and José said no thanks I didn't want him that much we will wait for griezman and try get martial working back to his best.

deaddonkey15 · 27-07-2017 03:43PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I want them to buy the players Jose feels are required to make the club competitive, rather than sign no one and resign ourselves to another season in 6th place.

I'm not saying I want Neymar and Bale signed and if we don't the club is a failure (though I'd love both and am disappointed United don't seem to be showing any interest in competing for Neymar).

Even we don't sign another player this summer we still have a squad that should be doing a lot better than 6th place.

Personally, I'm glad the club don't seem to be too interested in Neymar.

JaMarcusHustle · 27-07-2017 03:50PM

Here Mitch, this should simplify what people are trying to argue to you...

Mitch Connor · 27-07-2017 03:54PM

jayo26 wrote: »

And signing no one we already have signed two first team players and more then likely we will sign at least one more if not two but your judging it as what the media are saying is fact.

Jose has said himself he doesn't know if the club will be able to give him the two players he wants, or even one.

So your conjecture that we will 'more than likely sign at least one more if not two' is an opinion based on your own hope.

If my position of believing what certain people in the media say (with the context in some cases that it can be part of a game) is to be treated like its lying rubbish, then how can your position of 'the media and Jose are both lying, my assumption that we will sign 2 more players is the debating position we should be going with' be considered better?

If Jose had said he believes we will get a couple of players in shortly, or Castles said Perisic had been binned off because we are confident we would be signing Bale then my own position would be that is what Jose wants known to the public and is likely the case.

Mitch Connor · 27-07-2017 03:57PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Even we don't sign another player this summer we still have a squad that should be doing a lot better than 6th place.

Personally, I'm glad the club don't seem to be too interested in Neymar.

The club has finished 6th, 5th, 4th and 7th in previous seasons. Maybe the squad just isn't good enough to finish first.

The_Kew_Tour · 27-07-2017 04:03PM

To be fair we are still 2-3 players short of being competitive in both the big 2 Competition's.

We should be looking to be winning both like in SAF time.

I understand we are still in a bit of a heap after Moyes and LVG but we should be least trying get few more decent names.

Hate saying it but City have went out and bought real quality even if payed ott for defenders.

ericzeking · 27-07-2017 04:14PM

There was (or is) a poster who used to say 'from what I am told' in relation to all the transfer stuff, he was gas....he should know the score on all this cofuffle with Perisic, Bale, Neymar, Matic, Maradona and Pele.... he was BFFs with Miguel Delaney or something...

I miss the simple ITK stuff, twould brighten up your day.

jayo26 · 27-07-2017 04:21PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Jose has said himself he doesn't know if the club will be able to give him the two players he wants, or even one.

So your conjecture that we will 'more than likely sign at least one more if not two' is an opinion based on your own hope.

If my position of believing what certain people in the media say (with the context in some cases that it can be part of a game) is to be treated like its lying rubbish, then how can your position of 'the media and Jose are both lying, my assumption that we will sign 2 more players is the debating position we should be going with' be considered better?

If Jose had said he believes we will get a couple of players in shortly, or Castles said Perisic had been binned off because we are confident we would be signing Bale then my own position would be that is what Jose wants known to the public and is likely the case.

Depends on what way you want to look at it Mitch but Jose said that if the club couldn't bring him in the fourth player he was willing to settle for 3 because the market is difficult but your taking it as he is expecting possibly to not have anymore signing.

Liam McPoyle · 27-07-2017 04:23PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

To be fair we are still 2-3 players short of being competitive in both the big 2 Competition's.

We should be looking to be winning both like in SAF time.

I understand we are still in a bit of a heap after Moyes and LVG but we should be least trying get few more decent names.

Hate saying it but City have went out and bought real quality even if payed ott for defenders.

Exactly.

Clearly city's Achilles heel last season was their defence.

They have an obscenely talented pool for MF and forwards so defence was their weak point.

Whether they gel quickly remains to be seen but their shortcomings have been addressed.

To date we havnt done the same.

We have lost two forwards and replaced them with a forward and a defender.

It's abundantly clear we need a DM and a wide man so if we are to have ambitions at going for the PL (which given the investment so far should be the minimum) so until that happens we won't be bothering the league leaders I fear.

If Jose wants Peresic then pay the £50m, likewise with Matic or whoever.

brinty · 27-07-2017 04:26PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

To be fair we are still 2-3 players short of being competitive in both the big 2 Competition's.

We should be looking to be winning both like in SAF time.

I understand we are still in a bit of a heap after Moyes and LVG but we should be least trying get few more decent names.

Hate saying it but City have went out and bought real quality even if payed ott for defenders.

Very sensible post Kew and with some balance included.

To be more competitive we need to add more quality, but for me adding that quality at inflated prices is not a sustainable business model and is fiscally irresponsible. Mitch or buckety (sorry if I'm confusing you for another poster who said it) gave out about recent guys we signed who weren't good value and there were alternatives we could've signed. Should we keep doing that and sign guys at higher prices than we should be paying or should we continue to pay over the odds.

On some of the stories doing to rounds

Neymar - Ed has always said there's a rainy day fund available for an exceptional signing.. now maybe we have sounded out Neymar and he has said he's not interested.. so its catch 22 - should we put in a bid for him and show fans "we're trying to get in top quality" whilst others will moan about the price we're paying and others will moan about why are we going in for players we can get...

Matic - it seems obvious that chelsea are stil p155ed off about the Lukaku deal and are just looking to hold us up on this. but would people prefer we have Morata (unproven in the league) and Matic now... or have a Lukaku (PL proven) and waiting patiently to get Matic

Dier - Spurs/ Levy doing his usual thing off pushing up the prices then saying its unsustainable when they're one of the most responsible clubs for doing it.. They'll sit and wait til the last minute as they always do to pull the trigger on deals.

Fabinho - this seems to be a non story as nothing has been mentioned in recent weeks. Monaco look to have gotten €300m or close to it for Mbappe, Silva & Mendy and don't need to sell. So short of fabinho putting in a transfer request there's nothing we can do.

Perisic - Inter have said they're not willing to acceopt less than £48m. He's not close to being worth that and there's been no movement in weeks. Its time to move on from this as seems to be the case from United's side. But the papers keep dragging it back up.

Give these things time and I hope/ believe by the end of the window they will be settled. Jose said he submitted a 4/5 player per position he wanted and maybe Ed is now working on those targets and the press don't have any idea who they are so just rehash the existing ones in the media..

I think no matter what Ed/Jose/ Glazers/ Manchester United do they'll be in the wrong with someone on this thread.. there's just no winning with some people

bucketybuck · 27-07-2017 05:01PM

brinty wrote: »

Mitch or buckety (sorry if I'm confusing you for another poster who said it) gave out about recent guys we signed who weren't good value and there were alternatives we could've signed.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

You misunderstood that original post, you were told you had misunderstood that original post, and yet you are again repeating the fallacy that you invented when you misunderstood the original post.

I'd love to see you quote me giving out about recent guys we signed who weren't good value, I really would.

brinty · 27-07-2017 05:05PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Are you ****ing kidding me?

You misunderstood that original post, you were told you had misunderstood that original post, and yet you are again repeating the fallacy that you invented when you misunderstood the original post.

I'd love to see you quote me giving out about recent guys we signed who weren't good value, I really would.

Buckety i admitted i misread your posts yesterday. I was actually backing you up with that statement.

brinty · 27-07-2017 05:07PM

paulbok wrote: »

I think he was on about not over spending on some of our current targets (eg Persic), at least that's how I read it.

brinty wrote: »

Fair enough and i understand that point. I possibly misread i too

Apologies..

Buckety, as i said i misread your posts...

Lord TSC · 27-07-2017 05:13PM

Whats with the game in Norway on Sunday? Is it a commercial thing? We're playing Vålerenga?

Liam McPoyle · 27-07-2017 05:33PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Whats with the game in Norway on Sunday? Is it a commercial thing? We're playing Vålerenga?

Damn plastic Nordic fans.

:mad:

Robson99 · 27-07-2017 05:59PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The club has finished 6th, 5th, 4th and 7th in previous seasons. Maybe the squad just isn't good enough to finish first.

This is it in fairness. Given our resources -spending power anything other than a top 3 finish is embarrassing to us. Imagine Real Madrid, Barca, Bayer Munich with that sort of league finishing. Embarrassing.
We need to get Jose's targets in and stop bolloxing over a couple of million.
We need to challenge for the league this season

Sebastian Dangerfield · 27-07-2017 06:08PM

Robson99 wrote: »

This is it in fairness. Given our resources -spending power anything other than a top 3 finish is embarrassing to us. Imagine Real Madrid, Barca, Bayer Munich with that sort of league finishing. Embarrassing.
We need to get Jose's targets in and stop bolloxing over a couple of million.
We need to challenge for the league this season

Theres a big difference. The other clubs in the leagues you refer to cant possibly compete either in money or prestige, so Real and Barca only have to compete with other, and Bayern dont have to compete at all. Its not as cut and dried in England, 5-6 team can turn the race for a promising player into a case of who offers the most £, and one good season can turn a previously average player into a 50m pound one

bucketybuck · 27-07-2017 06:25PM

Robson99 wrote: »

We need to get Jose's targets in and stop bolloxing over a couple of million.

But we have no idea if that is what is happening.

As much as I am disappointed that we havent signed enough players yet there is one recent fact that can't be ignored. Its less than a month since within the course of a few days we went from hearing nothing to having spent one of the highest ever transfer fees for a player.

That is very recent history and it suggests that certain cards are being played very close to the chest, so I don't know how anybody can come out swinging one way or another about the clubs plans or ambitions.

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