I don't believe in the death penalty but i will make a exception...

JupiterKid wrote: »

It was a savage, despicable attack by a scumbag but the elderly lady did not die and the perpetrator should have been put away for longer than 8 years.

In my opinion the death penalty is never justified and it is a view I have never wavered from since I was in my mid teens.

While I agree with you on this, I do find myself thinking, when a person has 96 convictions, what do we(Society) do to fix the problem? i think with a record like that, it proves he'll never be fit for society and putting him into prison clearly isn't gonna work either... After eight years he'll be out agin with 97 convictions and still unfit to live and contribute to society.


My solution is this: Work Camps.

The rest of his life should be sentenced to hard labour. And not rewarding labour where he gets to make license plates and as something to show for his efforts....

I'm talking, 9 hours a day of digging holes in a field and then filling them back. Over and over again until his body shuts down and dies.

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You don't necessarily need a multi million euro spanking new prison. There are lots of demands on our valuable tax dollars.

Pick a deserted or near deserted island off the west coast. Bring out a **** load of timber and razer wire. Build fences and machine gun towers. The camp in mates will sleep in the elements. Help to build discipline and fortitude in them. They will occupy their days on alternating teams digging trenches and filling them in. Indiscipline or poor work ethic will result in no food or water. 'Food' being a very loose term for what they're served.

No time off for good behavior. Time added on for bad behavior.

Missed this on my first read of the thread. Pretty much the same idea.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

have a chat to some professionals that have to deal with criminals on a regular basis, including mental health professionals etc, its a fascinating subject matter. we re a complex species, particularly our behavioural habits. we ve actually learned a lot so far by studying these kind of individuals and this kind of behaviour. more to learn of course.

Have we? In what way has this contributed to a decrease in crime and recidivism?

SEANoftheDEAD wrote: »

Being pointless is the point.

not when i'm paying for it. this tax payer wants something that works and that will gain something. so making licence plates = gain. digging holes and filling them again = waste of my tax money.

Gunslinger92 wrote: »

I'd gladly pay a few bob to watch these pieces of utter scum hang.

I couldn't watch a person hang or die is any such way. Don't get me wrong this fella deserves it but I couldn't physically watch it.

end of the road wrote: »

not when i'm paying for it. this tax payer wants something that works and that will gain something. so making licence plates = gain. digging holes and filling them again = waste of my tax money.

Well, the current system is failing Irish society and it seems that the handling of people like this criminal is nothing more than a waste of money and resources.

You want to give him human rights, fine, he has them. But at a very basic level. Anything other than that he is not entitled too anymore. His life should be forfitted and he should live out his days in a pointless existance.

"I don't believe in the death penalty, except for when a crime outrages me enough to want the death penalty."



I mean, personally I don't believe in the death penalty, but I think people who play loud music at night in breach of sound pollution laws when I'm trying to sleep should be sent straight to the gas chamber.

I think an 'eye for an eye' would work better here. That poor womans family should be allowed to beat the lining out of that bastard and give him a taste of his own medicine. If he happens to die from the injuries...ah well so what, no one will miss him, ever.

end of the road wrote: »

freedom is the only thing forfitted. the current system is easily fixed by implementing long sentences or even full ife sentences for dangerous criminals.

Well it would be nice to have a justice system that works alright, I agree with you on that. But unless the people coming out are reconditioned to contribute to society, whats the point in locking them up?

You're pretty much asking for the same thing.
Dig holes in a field... sit in a cell... Same craic only the cell sitting is easier!

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't and can't 'recondition' guys like these. It's wrong for the dreamers to pretend otherwise.

You can, however, keep them away from society until they get a lot older. Ageing seems to tame these extreme violent instincts more effectively than any 'rehabilitation'.

And a bit of hard labour inside would speed up that process, especially for those lads that never worked a day in their lives, but of course we couldn't do that to the poor dears as it might hurt their feelings.

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I think an 'eye for an eye' would work better here. That poor womans family should be allowed to beat the lining out of that bastard and give him a taste of his own medicine. If he happens to die from the injuries...ah well so what, no one will miss him, ever.

saintsaltynuts wrote: »

What should be done to him is publicly throw the f'cker into a bonfire and broadcast it live on R.T.E. for all the country to see. I for one would gladly show up and listen to the little b@stard scream his last tortured howls til' he burns out of existence and out of society. One for he gave up long ago to be a part of with his 90 odd convictions.Sorry for sounding a bit graphic but this country's a joke when it comes to this sort of thing for sentences.

can't happen, not going to happen, realistic suggestions that have some chance of happening please.

Another fine scorching example of the Irish justice Industry,

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-was-determined-to-kill-someone-cousin-of-elderly-blaine-brothers-condemns-murderer-35970532.html

Quick summary

This guy was released from Castlerea Prison 4 days prior.

4 days later one of two pensioner brothers goes to the next door pub for a cup of tea, goes back HOME.

Guy from prison then enters the home of two pensioner brothers.

He looks for drugs.

Beats one brother dead with a shovel

Beats the other brother dead with his walking stick

Pours boiling water over them.

He killed one outside in the back garden

He killed the other inside.

Later, puts on his sunglasses and walks out the door back to his B&B.


This could have being your brother or sister, your mother or father, your aunt or uncle, your son or daughter.

This could have being your family.


When will somebody in charge ever take responsibility of the Irish justice Industry and stop making a mockery of it.

Troika couldn't do it.
What chance does somebody here of doing it.

I would love to know what percentage of crime, especially violent crime, is committed by extreme recidivists - say lads with 20+ convictions.

There really should be some consequences for judges who continually release unreconstructed criminals, with long repeat records, who then go on to commit more crimes.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

have a chat to some professionals that have to deal with criminals on a regular basis, including mental health professionals etc, its a fascinating subject matter. we re a complex species, particularly our behavioural habits. we ve actually learned a lot so far by studying these kind of individuals and this kind of behaviour. more to learn of course.

You raise a very interesting point here.

Given the high recidivism rate amongst these type of individuals,it is more than likely both of these will regard their Jail Time as little more than an enforced break from their chosen lifestyle of wanton destruction and aggression.

Given that the Irish state has now assumed full responsibility for them,but also insists it has a duty towards it's Law Abiding citizens,perhaps using these guys as "Specimens" upon which a variety of Scientific experiments and tests can be performed in order to broaden the knowledge base of greater organized compliant Society.

Perhaps brain-tissue samples or other suitable bodily elements could be biopsied and analyzed,in an attempt to speed up,what can be,the slow process of study.

We,as in civilized society,do not have the luxury of assured protection,when attempting to prepare ourselves for such future attacks,from whatever community it may come.

What we can do is,make best use of what oportunities are given to us,and the incarceration of this pair is one such opportunity.

Attempting to placate,and cater for the base needs of this pair will bring little rewards,greater Society needs to learn how to defend itself and it's elderly from those who see the dragging of an octogenarian around the room by their hair as something a 25 year old can do with impunity.

Instead of merely locking them up,regard them as study material,to be observed,poked and prodded 24/7/365,with perhaps a better return than offering them a variety of courses and "supports" designed to entice them into a Civilized Society they so obviously detest.

Given the reduced general life expectancy of their community,it can be argued that the regard which "ordinary" society gives to the Elderly,may not be quite so appreciated in their circles,which may explain their prediliction for attacking and/or killing elderly humans.

As you say,it is a fascinating subject matter,but one which,if left unaddressed,leaves Us open to being targeted by the likes of this pair upon their release.