I don't believe in the death penalty but i will make a exception...

25-07-2017 08:09PM

This case gave me a chill just reading about it. This guy was on bail with 96 prevous convictions when he and his mate did this.

What scares me most is that he will be out again in four or five years ... and then he will kill someone. Can the judges not see that?

He actually got two years suspended off his sentence. Thats unbelievable and no thinking person could condone that, either on the facts of this case or his past history.

It seems that these career scum never get a fitting sentence until they actually murder someone. There have seen several cases recently of scum with 40, 50 plus convictions getting soft justice until they eventually kill. The Courts have forgotten that one function of prison is to keep the population safe from those few, like these, who are not fit to live within it.

tayto lover · 25-07-2017 08:17PM

There should be no "time off" for violent crimes.
You get 10 years, you do the full 10 years.

25-07-2017 08:17PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'm confident that Judge O'Shea,like most sentient beings,would have preferred his sentence to adequately reflect a suitable Punishment for this savagery,however the Judge HAS to play the game dictated to him by the sentencing restrictions imposed by the Supreme Court's interpretation of what it considers appropriate in terms of rehabilitation,and assorted other codology,all carefully worded to avoid the use of the term "Punishment".

This has often been said by the apologists for the Judges.

However if you were an engineer and you saw a bridge about to collapse even though the paper calculations said it was ok, or you were a doctor and the patient was ill even though they were supposed to be cured on paper, it would be no defence to say 'I followed the guidelines even though I felt they were wrong'.

These Judges are paid to use their judgement and if they think a severe sentence is appropriate they should impose it and let somebody else take the responsibility for reducing it.

After all, their independence from pressure is protected in the Constitution...

25-07-2017 08:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He actually got two years suspended off his sentence. Thats unbelievable and no thinking person could condone that, either on the facts of this case or his past history.

On what grounds does someone with 96 priors get 2 years suspended on their sentence?

25-07-2017 08:50PM

Re the 96 previous convictions. This always implies it was 96 separate events but in reality it could be 96 convictions for 4 or 5 separate events. Is that more likely?

He does seem decidedly unpleasant. But surely a one-day execution is letting him away lightly? Take away his hope of ever being free again and he will be crushed every day with the utter pointlessness and futility of his existence. Every day, not just one day.

25-07-2017 08:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Re the 96 previous convictions. This always implies it was 96 separate events but in reality it could be 96 convictions for 4 or 5 separate events. Is that more likely?

He does seem decidedly unpleasant. But surely execution is letting him away lightly? Take away his hope of ever being free again and he will be crushed every day with the utter pointlessness and futility of his existence. Every day, not just one day.

Sounds ideal but they can't even do that right, a few years for someone like that, GTFO. Even if the 96 are relative to a smaller number of offences, the offences committed would need to have been complex enough to allow for that large number.

This country needs a three strike rule and less of this "unloved child" BS.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 25-07-2017 09:02PM

washman3 wrote: »

Take a look at their photos...FFS

huh ?

They look like average blokes you'd see walking down Grafton street.

PandaPoo · 25-07-2017 09:06PM

I live in Bray and everyone is talking about it. By all accounts she was a lovely woman and really involved and loved in the community.

Absolute scumbags. They won't have an easy time when they get out after their pathetic sentence

25-07-2017 09:09PM

McCrack wrote: »

Interesting view from a serving prison officer

While some fellas are in for heinous crimes, you have to do your best to just be professional. If you treated everyone based on how bad their crimes were, you'd never get anything done. You'd probably have differing opinions on which crimes 'outrank' each other and that's not our job. Contrary to some people's beliefs, we're not there to inflict misery on them, we're actually there to provide care to them, for the good of society. That's our literal role according to the Irish Prison Service. However, underneath the uniform is a human being with feelings just like everyone else and that can shine through from time to time. Personally, I think Cash is a cowardly scumbag. Professionally, he's just another number I guess... but I wouldn't go out of my way to help him with anything for sure.

Poochie05 · 25-07-2017 09:09PM

Just watching her on the news and I'm bawling! What an amazing lady, putting on a brace face talking about what happened to her, but you can see her heart is broken at having to leave her home.

25-07-2017 09:12PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

huh ?

They look like average blokes you'd see walking down Grafton street.

Michael Cash is a Traveller. I've dealt with him before in work and he's a Traveller, it's not a shot that community. It's just a fact that that's what he is and identifies himself as. Cash is a very common Traveller surname in Ireland.

tayto lover · 25-07-2017 09:15PM

I've just read the Judge's comments about the barbarity of the attackers and I cannot understand why he only gave him 8 years. Baffling !!!

mad muffin · 25-07-2017 09:17PM

Every day for an hour and a half they should be beaten to within an inch of their life. :mad:

Ulysses Gaze · 25-07-2017 09:18PM

With these ridiculous sentences, there is going to come a breaking point where a relative of a victim is going hospitalise or kill an accused who is out on bail.

I'm surprised that the good people of Bray or Ballybrack did not do that themselves in this case.

tayto lover · 25-07-2017 09:22PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Every day for an hour and a half they should be beaten to within an inch of their life. :mad:

and an odd day remove the batteries.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 25-07-2017 09:24PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Michael Cash is a Traveller. I've dealt with him before in work and he's a Traveller, it's not a shot that community. It's just a fact that that's what he is and identifies himself as. Cash is a very common Traveller surname in Ireland.

Honestly never knew it was a traveller name. I guess you learn something new everyday :pac:

Hopefully he won't have an easy time in prison.

Gravelly · 25-07-2017 09:25PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

With these ridiculous sentences, there is going to come a breaking point where a relative of a victim is going hospitalise or kill an accused who is out on bail.

I'm surprised that the good people of Bray or Ballybrack did not do that themselves in this case.

If that does happen you can be sure the judge won't be lenient.

25-07-2017 09:28PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Honestly never knew it was a traveller name. I guess you learn something new everyday :pac:

Hopefully he won't have an easy time in prison.

Given the nature of his crime, he won't be in general population. He'll be placed in protective custody so will only mix with other absolute low lifes, if anyone at all.

punisher5112 · 25-07-2017 09:30PM

I hope the generation coming up now does exactly the same to them in their 80s or hopefully sooner and all they can do is be fed through a straw.....

Scum and the legal profession that keeps these on a revolving door system are near just as bad.

I hope we can stop pandering to these absolute filthy, scrotes and the system changes.

Dtp1979 · 25-07-2017 09:31PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Honestly never knew it was a traveller name. I guess you learn something new everyday :pac:

Hopefully he won't have an easy time in prison.

Hell be in there with his own dirtbag kind. He'll do just fine unfortunately

Jim Bob Scratcher · 25-07-2017 09:33PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Given the nature of his crime, he won't be in general population. He'll be placed in protective custody so will only mix with other absolute low lifes, if anyone at all.

Is there not any part of the day where those in protective custody cross paths with those in general population, even just for a few seconds ?

25-07-2017 09:38PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Is there not any part of the day where those in protective custody cross paths with those in general population, even just for a few seconds ?

Everything is done to keep protection prisoners away from the rest. They're usually on separate wings from the general population and mix in smaller groups or on their own.

25-07-2017 09:44PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I've just read the Judge's comments about the barbarity of the attackers and I cannot understand why he only gave him 8 years. Baffling !!!

They do that (say how terrible it was) so that they cant later be accused of not realising the severity of the crime. Its not to justify the sentence, it's to limit grounds of appeal.

Its so that the DPP can't appeal on the grounds that the judge didnt fully comprehend how horrific it was.

tayto lover · 25-07-2017 09:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They do that (say how terrible it was) so that they cant later be accused of not realising the severity of the crime. Its not to justify the sentence, it's to limit grounds of appeal.

Its so that the DPP can't appeal on the grounds that the judge didnt fully comprehend how horrific it was.

Yes but never mind the DPP, we can't understand it either.

25-07-2017 09:46PM

Gravelly wrote: »

If that does happen you can be sure the judge won't be lenient.

Yes true. That would be an attack on the judicial system, instead of a helpless old woman. Much more serious.

PandaPoo · 25-07-2017 09:48PM

Did I read somewhere that they threatened to rape her? It could have been another case but I can't find it online. It would have been around the time it happened that I read it

end of the road · 25-07-2017 09:52PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0725/892850-michael-cash-eva-sutton/

8 years is a disgrace.

And let you argue this but i will point out that i don't give a damn if.

- His mother didn't love him and give him enough hugs.
- He was abused as a child
- He suffers from addiction
- He has a mental disorder
- He lost his job in the recession.
- The 100 more excuses that people like to make,Because none of these make it right to inflict pain on another human,And a vulnerable person at that.

Make all the excuses you want,I think he should be hanging.. Let that send a message to those who want to wreck our society.

you can't make an exception. you either believe in the death penalty or you don't.
hanging this yoke won't send any message, this has been proven through the centuries.

25-07-2017 09:54PM

Has she got family around? If so I'm surprised it got to court.

vicwatson · 25-07-2017 10:24PM

Sick to sh1te of this concurrent sentencing mularky. Why like? Why?

25-07-2017 10:38PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Sick to sh1te of this concurrent sentencing mularky. Why like? Why?

Because the Dept of Justice is in the hands of dreamers who believe that scum like this, even after 90 plus convictions, can be taught to be good citizens if we are nice enough to them and tell them we understand.

Do we have any politicians who listen to the people?

I don't believe in the death penalty but i will make a exception...

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