I don't believe in the death penalty but i will make a exception...

CB19Kevo · 25-07-2017 03:40PM #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0725/892850-michael-cash-eva-sutton/

8 years is a disgrace.

And let you argue this but i will point out that i don't give a damn if.

- His mother didn't love him and give him enough hugs.
- He was abused as a child
- He suffers from addiction
- He has a mental disorder
- He lost his job in the recession.
- The 100 more excuses that people like to make,Because none of these make it right to inflict pain on another human,And a vulnerable person at that.

Make all the excuses you want,I think he should be hanging.. Let that send a message to those who want to wreck our society.

ricero · 25-07-2017 03:43PM

When you see **** like this it boils your blood. 8 years is ****ing pathetic. The ****ers will be back on the streets in 3 - 4 years. One would truly consider sterlization on certain members ot society

K.Flyer · 25-07-2017 03:48PM

What an absolute low-life toe-rag.

After reading the account of what they did to that poor woman it was this bit that made me choke...

Cash, who has 96 previous convictions, including 29 for previous thefts and burglaries, was on bail at the time

And only gets 8 fcuking year :mad:

Gunslinger92 · 25-07-2017 03:49PM

I had the exact same thought as you, OP, when I read this. I'd gladly pay a few bob to watch these pieces of utter scum hang.

Solomon Pleasant · 25-07-2017 03:49PM

That act is beyond sick, it's sadistic in nature.

There's a huge difference between criminals who thieve and generally do what they must do in order to stay alive and these sociopathic nutcases. Ultimately, this individual will be out of prison in a few short years as it's cheaper for the government to pay someone unemployment benefit than to provide a prison cell and the accompanying conditions.

Special Circumstances · 25-07-2017 03:53PM

All the alt-right loons who don't believe in 222nd chances. Typical. Well the system that represents the people does believe in hundreds of chances. Deal with it or vote in sufficient numbersfor people who will change this.

VinLieger · 25-07-2017 03:59PM

Special Circumstances wrote: »

All the alt-right loons who don't believe in 222nd chances. Typical. Well the system that represents the people does believe in hundreds of chances. Deal with it or vote in sufficient numbersfor people who will change this.

Who might that be?

Special Circumstances · 25-07-2017 04:00PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Who might that be?

Ba dum tish...

RayM · 25-07-2017 04:11PM

I'm not really interested in hanging people, whatever they've done, but I don't think anyone guilty of a violent crime should ever be released back into society until psychiatrists, prison authorities, the judiciary are fully satisfied that they no longer pose a threat. If that means that someone who beats an old lady up in her own home is released, fully rehabilitated, after five years, then that's great. If it means they're never released, then that's great too.

eviltwin · 25-07-2017 04:13PM

And if we had the death penalty for scum like that do you think that woman would still be alive today?

Beta Ray Bill · 25-07-2017 04:14PM

8 years is ridiculous, he'll be out in 5.

I think the sentences are so short because they have literally no where to house convicted criminals.
A mate of mine who works for the Prison service said it's a joke, he said it costs €60k per annul to keep an individual locked up.
Death penalty is substantially cheaper option, but there is a risk you could execute an innocent person.

I think Private Prisons like that have in the US could potentially be an idea. (You outsource the sh*t you don't care about, no one cares about criminals)

Total scumbag, just like this fella sentenced to life today. Again, will probably be out in 15/20 years (Minus the 4 he's already served)

Total under investment in the Prison Service... you'd wonder where all our tax dollars go!?

Conor Bourke · 25-07-2017 04:14PM

Death would be too good for those two

professore · 25-07-2017 04:18PM

Hang them, dig a big hole somewhere with cheap land prices like Leitrim, a few shovels of lime, cover over. Job done. Cheap and effective.

B.A._Baracus · 25-07-2017 04:19PM

RayM wrote: »

I'm not really interested in hanging people, whatever they've done, but I don't think anyone guilty of a violent crime should ever be released back into society until psychiatrists, prison authorities, the judiciary are fully satisfied that they no longer pose a threat. If that means that someone who beats an old lady up in her own home is released, fully rehabilitated, after five years, then that's great. If it means they're never released, then that's great too.

Problem with prison rehabilitation is that no one can really be sure that someone has changed.

Many a person has kept their head down while serving their time. Only to kick off again once released.

Also, dare I be blunt there are scum out there that will never change. Could give them a million euro and they'll blow through it and back to robbing.

Winterlong · 25-07-2017 04:21PM

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Deal with it or vote in sufficient numbers for people who will change this.

If only one of the big political parties would take law and order seriously.
They seem to think that law and order is all about Garda numbers.
That is only part of the solution.

We need better laws to protect citizens from scum like this.
We need a judiciary working with the lawmakers to build a system that protects people. And then to follow thru and dish out proper sentences.

And we need a big fcuk off prison that can contain these scumbags for a long time.

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-07-2017 04:22PM

Anyone who is violent towards somebody much weaker than themselves be it children the elderly or disabled should never be seen again

fancy pigeon · 25-07-2017 04:27PM

If only something like this happened to these 2...

Rumpy Pumpy · 25-07-2017 04:30PM

Don't know about the scumbag sentenced today, but his accomplice is from a family known for being amongst the very lowest of the low. An absolute scourge on their community and town.

Vic_08 · 25-07-2017 04:34PM

grahambo wrote: »

8 years is ridiculous, he'll be out in 5.

I think the sentences are so short because they have literally no where to house convicted criminals.
A mate of mine who works for the Prison service said it's a joke, he said it costs €60k per annul to keep an individual locked up.

Those sort of figures are always thrown about as some sort of reason not to lock up habitual and violent criminals. What is never highlighted is the financial cost to of having them on the streets instead. Scummers like that cost the state (and innocent citizens but we don't give a fcuk about these) an absolute fortune through police, courts, legal aid, dole, housing, etc.

As a society we spend an absolute fortune picking up after a small % of the population who cause absolute chaos and misery for their entire pathetic lives.

It is completely insane to keep propping up the utterly broken justice system which neither provided justice for victims, punishment for perpetrators or any effective rehabilitation for those whose criminality is mainly substance abuse based.

The only people who seem to be happy with it are those running it, after all the constant merry-go-round of criminalality creates lots of lucrative and high status work for those with their snouts in the trough. Their lobby groups and friends in the Dail work very hard to resist any meaningful reform of their status quo.

suicide_circus · 25-07-2017 04:36PM

They could be rendered harmless with a simple lobotomy

RayM · 25-07-2017 04:37PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Problem with prison rehabilitation is that no one can really be sure that someone has changed.

Many a person has kept their head down while serving their time. Only to kick off again once released.

Obviously, to be deemed rehabilitated and safe to release back into society, a prisoner would have to do a hell of a lot more than keep their head down while serving their time. And if they carry out another serious crime after release, there would have to be some kind of consequences for whoever thought they were safe to release.

But yes, some people can't or won't change. For the sake of everyone else's safety, they shouldn't be allowed out.

McCrack · 25-07-2017 04:37PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0725/892850-michael-cash-eva-sutton/

8 years is a disgrace.

And let you argue this but i will point out that i don't give a damn if.

- His mother didn't love him and give him enough hugs.
- He was abused as a child
- He suffers from addiction
- He has a mental disorder
- He lost his job in the recession.
- The 100 more excuses that people like to make,Because none of these make it right to inflict pain on another human,And a vulnerable person at that.

Make all the excuses you want,I think he should be hanging.. Let that send a message to those who want to wreck our society.

Youre misunderstanding... they are not excuses but pleas in mitigation offered by the defence to the Court when deciding sentence.

A court must look at the offender's personal circumstances as well as the offence when deciding sentence.

Syphonax · 25-07-2017 04:42PM

Horrific ordeal for the poor woman. Dont think the death penalty is appropriate but 8 years for thugs with long rap-sheets is not long enough. The two years they got suspended is a joke, its like EVERY sentence a judge gives out these days HAS to have a few years suspended like as if the judge is being lenient so that the criminal may acknowledge this and be more remorseful or something. They will be out in 5 years probs, yet this woman is scared for life and can even live in her family home because of this attack.

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-07-2017 04:43PM

McCrack wrote: »

A court must look at the offender's personal circumstances as well as the offence when deciding sentence.

NO personal circumstances could justify doing that to that poor aul one

Gravelly · 25-07-2017 04:48PM

Won't somebody think of the poor* legal aid solicitors if these recidivist criminals get locked up for too long - it would be like taking a farmers cattle away.

*Legal aid solicitors may not necessarily be poor, though several will be along any minute now to claim that we are all idiots who don't understand what's going on, and shure nearly every solicitor and barrister have the arses out though their trousers they're so impoverished. Why, they only do this work because they are such charitable types (as they do on all these threads).

McCrack · 25-07-2017 04:48PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

NO personal circumstances could justify doing that to that poor aul one

Nobody is saying that.

Beta Ray Bill · 25-07-2017 04:49PM

Vic_08 wrote: »

Those sort of figures are always thrown about as some sort of reason not to lock up habitual and violent criminals. What is never highlighted is the financial cost to of having them on the streets instead. Scummers like that cost the state (and innocent citizens but we don't give a fcuk about these) an absolute fortune through police, courts, legal aid, dole, housing, etc.

As a society we spend an absolute fortune picking up after a small % of the population who cause absolute chaos and misery for their entire pathetic lives.

It is completely insane to keep propping up the utterly broken justice system which neither provided justice for victims, punishment for perpetrators or any effective rehabilitation for those whose criminality is mainly substance abuse based.

The only people who seem to be happy with it are those running it, after all the constant merry-go-round of criminalality creates lots of lucrative and high status work for those with their snouts in the trough. Their lobby groups and friends in the Dail work very hard to resist any meaningful reform of their status quo.

I agree with everything you said

Leaving them on the streets costs more again I'd say.
My reference to the cost of incarceration was meant to be compared to the price of a bullet or a long rope.

Again though, death penalty is risky.

I think in the constitution though you can still be put to death in Ireland (hanged) for something like killing a Garda or a Judge. I know it was still in place in the 90's although never actually utilised since the 50's
I think the death sentence was handed down in Ireland until the 80's but for some reason each time it was handed down it got reduced to 40 years imprisonment.

Could be wrong mind you.

GarIT · 25-07-2017 04:50PM

pah wrote: »

This is what's wrong with the whole system in a nutshell.

I'ver always said a perfect solution for this would be to introduce a minimum one-month prison sentence per previous conviction. If you are a repeat offender you need to be kept off the street. If you have a previous conviction and you get convicted again you should have 1 month (not suspended) added to your sentence, regardless of what you did this time or last. the next time if you have 2 previous you spend 2 months extra in prison. By the time you get to 10 convictions you really can't get much more without spending your whole life in prison.

It also means people gradually get punished more severely the more often they repeat their crimes. Which would be a large deterrent to someone who is previously used to getting away with no jail time for every crime they commit.

grahambo wrote: »

I think the sentences are so short because they have literally no where to house convicted criminals.

A quick and easy solution to this is to let anyone out who has used drugs but not committed any other crimes while using drugs. There is no need to be imprisoning anyone who hasn't cause any harm to anybody other than themselves.

GLaDOS · 25-07-2017 04:54PM

GarIT wrote: »

A quick and easy solution to this is to let anyone out who has used drugs but not committed any other crimes while using drugs. There is no need to be imprisoning anyone who hasn't cause any harm to anybody other than themselves.

Would drug users really get much in the way of custodial sentences?

Richard Hillman · 25-07-2017 04:58PM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Don't know about the scumbag sentenced today, but his accomplice is from a family known for being amongst the very lowest of the low. An absolute scourge on their community and town.

I would be opposite. I know of the guy sentenced today but wouldn't know of the other guy. As you can imagine, both tales match. His younger brother will be in the courts for a very serious crime soon enough too.

Beta Ray Bill · 25-07-2017 05:04PM

GarIT wrote: »

A quick and easy solution to this is to let anyone out who has used drugs but not committed any other crimes while using drugs. There is no need to be imprisoning anyone who hasn't cause any harm to anybody other than themselves.

This is already happening.

It's basically a revolving door.

At a very basic level:
Person A and Person B commit a crime
A's crime is worse than B's

B gets sentenced first for something small (possession of drugs) and gets 3 months. And goes to Prison where there is only one space left.
A gets sentenced the next day for assault and battery and gets 6 months.

A has committed a worse crime than B, so B is discharged from Prison on a suspended sentence having only served one day.

Scale this up on to a first in/first out with multiple levels on criminality, and that's basically what's happening at the moment.

The Prison's are completely full.

I don't believe in the death penalty but i will make a exception...

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