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The Death Sentence - Yea or nay

  • 20-07-2017 02:26PM
    #1
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭


    For my sins, I follow the Sunday World Facebook page and their comments section is forever calling for the death sentence. ''Hang them'' is one that you'll usually see. I think sometimes that this place is a little more well read and educated than the good folk on those pages and so I pose this question;

    Would you support bringing in the death penalty for certian crimes? I'm not gonna include the option for Don't Know, this is gonna be a simple Yes or No poll but it will be private. In the comments, you can discuss the merits of your answer such as what crimes you'd support it for and what circumstances and, indeed, any reservations you may have about it. I'll add my own in when it's all up and running.

    Would you support bringing in the death penalty 137 votes

    Yes
    0% 0 votes
    No
    100% 137 votes


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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nah.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    I would say yes but only for the most serious and heinous of crimes. I'm thinking things like murder that shows permeditation & child sexual abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Nope. It serves little purpose other than "revenge", which isn't what most justice systems are based on. Death sentences don't cost less money, they don't deter crime, and beyond those two oft-mentioned points, what else is there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    No. There is no way to prove absolute guilt.

    If you have the death sentence, then you will put innocent people to death. It's unavoidable.

    Plus, it doesn't actually solve anything.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭J.pilkington


    Hay


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  • Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    Yes. I feel no compassion or humanity for those who rape, murder and abuse others. Let them hang.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I wouldn't be totally against the death penalty in extreme cases like serial rapists or murderers, terrorists that would kill a lot of people. We don't get extreme crimes here that often though.

    The problem is guards have shown that they're not trustworthy enough to be sure the person on death row really deserves to be there. Our legal system is a corrupt mess, our politicians abuse the system for their own gain.

    We're not responsible enough to have such a severe punishment and we could negate many of the above problems by behaving differently as a society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭grogi


    Seeing how many times the wrong people are convicted, I have to vote nay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    What would put me off the death sentence is that there is always doubt. The judge in the Birmingham 6 case bemoaned the fact that the death sentence was not on the statute books anymore as he felt the evidence was overwhelming.
    And then in the US you see people with very low IQ getting executed. And China where they harvest the organs of the executed.

    And finally - I would prefer that a life sentence is a life sentence. You take a life - you get life. Death is too easy for some of the animals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I'd rather see ten guilty people walk free than one innocent person put to death so no.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Multiple murders and child molesters, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    Nope. It serves little purpose other than "revenge", which isn't what most justice systems are based on. Death sentences don't cost less money, they don't deter crime, and beyond those two oft-mentioned points, what else is there?

    Justice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭Me_Grapes


    I used to agree with the death penalty, and still do in theory. You take an innocent life deliberately, you forefeit your own.

    However, not in practice due to the possibility of miscarriage of justice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,449 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The state shouldn't have the power to kill people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Winterlong wrote: »
    And finally - I would prefer that a life sentence is a life sentence. You take a life - you get life. Death is too easy for some of the animals.

    What is the purpose of keeping someone locked up for life, if their crime is such that they no longer deserve the right to be part of society then why continue to house, clothe and feed them? Also it seems a "life sentence" is on average about 12 years.


  • Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    The state shouldn't have the power to kill people.

    It does and it should. There is a hit list of ISIS members and everyone of them deserves to be droned for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    For a typical 'Mad Dog' type individual, someone like a Charles Manson, who deliberately murdered people, admitted as much, was openly glad to have done so, and would in all probability kill again given half a chance then yes, just kill them and be done with it. There is no point in even thinking of rehabilitation or wasting a cell on such a lost cause. For other situations, life (actual life) imprisonement for severe crimes with no parole is probably sufficient enough punishment. Perhaps those found guilty of such horrible crimes when faced with the prospect of that punishment could be offered a choice. Death by lethal injection or life in prison. I wonder would many when faced with that prospect choose the former?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Out of interest, for those who say no due to possible wronful conviction, what if the convicted person comes out and openly admits that they are indeed guilty and do not fight the charges, would you accept the death penalty in these cases?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭LadyMacBeth_


    It's a Nay for me. Putting someone to death is not justice and has no place in a civilised society.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    What is the purpose of keeping someone locked up for life, if their crime is such that they no longer deserve the right to be part of society then why continue to house, clothe and feed them? Also it seems a "life sentence" is on average about 12 years.

    To punish them for their crimes. They can never be reformed in to upstanding citizens.
    And to let others know that if you get convicted of taking a life you will spend the rest of your life behind bars.
    No parole. No sob stories. Prison for life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    Yes. But first we need to build more prisons and make them a lot, lot less humane. We need to stop letting people with 100's of previous offences walk free because that is really the injustice in our society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    What is the purpose of keeping someone locked up for life, if their crime is such that they no longer deserve the right to be part of society then why continue to house, clothe and feed them? Also it seems a "life sentence" is on average about 12 years.

    It's actually more like 20 years at the moment. It's been steadily increasing since the 1980s. Life sentences can be reviewed after seven years incarceration, but the final decision to release someone rests with the Minsiter for Justice.

    Life sentences are only mandatory for murder, which is a hard charge to bring and successfully prosecute. That means there are around 350 people on life sentences in Irish prisons right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Out of interest, for those who say no due to possible wronful conviction, what if the convicted person comes out and openly admits that they are indeed guilty and do not fight the charges, would you accept the death penalty in these cases?

    Normally a confession would be the result of bargaining. I can't see anyone confessing if the punishment would be the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,449 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It does and it should. There is a hit list of ISIS members and everyone of them deserves to be droned for example.

    The thread is about domestic criminals and I stand by my statement. There's not a shred of evidence that the death penalty lowers crime.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    I have voted yay.

    The way I would advocate using it would be for serial offenders. People who have a record as long as their arm and who never likely to be 'rehabilitated'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭OU812


    I'd like to propose an alternative whereby Lambay island is taken over and we put our unwanted criminals there.

    AirDrop food to them once a week and let them figure out the rest themselves.

    Maybe televise it as the ultimate Big Brother style show.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    seamus wrote: »
    No. There is no way to prove absolute guilt.

    If you have the death sentence, then you will put innocent people to death. It's unavoidable.

    Plus, it doesn't actually solve anything.

    well you can when there is absolute proof that they are guilty. Boston Bomber being an example.

    You can put innocent people to death by life incarceration or speed it up. You can mentally destroy someone with solitary confinement for 23 hours a day.

    They are not necessarily any better options.


  • Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    The thread is about domestic criminals and I stand by my statement. There's not a shred of evidence that the death penalty lowers crime.

    Neither does soft sentences and hugs. Those who commit brutal crimes deserve death.


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Life sentences are only mandatory for murder, which is a hard charge to bring and successfully prosecute. That means there are around 350 people on life sentences in Irish prisons right now.

    There are dozens out in everyday society walking among you and I. Some are out basically under relaxed bail conditions/on license (ie sign on once a week and that's it) and others are released daily for work and college courses and take buses etc to get there. So the 350 in Irish prisons aren't really in those prisons right now as we speak.


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  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OU812 wrote: »
    I'd like to propose an alternative whereby Lambay island is taken over and we put our unwanted criminals there.

    AirDrop food to them once a week and let them figure out the rest themselves.

    Maybe televise it as the ultimate Big Brother style show.



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