Wage's at Dublin Aerospace

Snow Leopard wrote: »

I can't give you an exact figure for the position you mentioned but from what I've heard the rates of pay at Dublin Aerospace are well below the industry average. DA is a relatively new company (formed in the wake of the closure of SR Technics) and is without legacy pay rates and work practices as a result.

It's not SR Technics or Aer Lingus but at the end of the day it's still a good, solid job that many would be grateful to have.

I wish him the best of luck!

I'd agree with the legacy terms and conditions comparison,but I think that any applicant for such positions should be treated with enough respect to allow them to make a fully informed decision.

Certainly Fás should be in full possession of the projected pay rates as an integral part of it's brief.

Dublin Aviation also need not be afraid of publicising it's rates unless there's an element we're not being told about ?

He did;nt get the course and he thinks its because he brought up the subject of pay

I doubt that, pay is a normal issue at interviews. Even if only for the employer to say it's to be negotiated after an offer is made.

More likely your friend did nothing wrong. It's just that someone else did a better interview. That's the way it is when every job is oversubscribed.

God that's poor.

Hi there,
There is supposed to be a bonus paid to the staff at year's end but from what I've heard, it ranges from Eu800-1200. This is for working unregulated shift (ie, at the whim of the supervisor), nothing extra for doing nights/unsocial hours/shift/weekends. Anyone who is a licensed engineer, especially those who are signing for work done, is an idiot if they accept such chronically bad pay for the responsibility they are taking. If there is ever an accident, it's the engineer will take the fall as his name is on the worksheets. Not worth the risk for such insulting (demeaning the value of his trade, which was hard-earned) pay.

regards
Stovepipe

A320 wrote: »

Fully agree with stovepipe,it doesn't take the hangman long to find the stamper!!! I think it was licensed B1/B2 connies back maybe 2/3 years ago accepting contracts on rubbish money started the trend as they probably lost their full time jobs and were desperate for a start elsewhere.

I always felt the fallout from the TEAM/FLS/SRT business was going to take far longer to come to earth,and this Dublin Aerospace business bears it out.

With the Government and,more importantly,the relevant Licencing Authority apparently preferring to remain indifferent to large numbers of It's own licencees losing their effectivity,the future of medium/large scale Irish Aircraft Engineering was sealed.

Historically there has always been a ready supply of "stampers" throughout the business,but equally,the operators making use of their services have usually been unmasked by the shortcomings usually(and luckily) uncovered by competent and untainted Inspectors.

It's all very sad really,especially as DA would be more than familiar with the Irish Aviation Engineering scene as a whole.

The other side of it is if this were a unionised company where the employees got generous salaries there may not be a company at all. I mean why did the likes of SR Technics leave Dublin? Well simply because of cheaper costs and labour elsewhere. The union was a direct cause for the loss of hundreds of jobs here. It may be a sad reality that the only way of attracting various airlines to have maintenance done here is to have relatively low salaries and an efficient cost structure because if you can't provide the customer with a good price they will go elsewhere.

handsomecake wrote: »

conversely why would you bother doing the 12 or 13 modules and 5 years experience to get your license and potentially be done for manslaughter if you make a fatal error.you may as well be working in xtravision.

they have disincentivised it.

and sr moved because they were obliged to repatriate jobs to zurich no?
losing the aer lingus contract didnt help.

Hey look I'm not disagreeing with you. I think you guys deserve a much better deal. I did work experience at SR Technics and I know how tough the job is along with the massive responsibility of it all. I'm just saying the only option you may have is either this or nothing at all and maybe emigrating to find work elsewhere while getting similarly low pay.

SR moved because of the overall economic situation and the loss of the AL contract was a factor but they specifically mentioned in press releases the high cost base as a reason for them moving. Again it may not be right, but it's reality.

Stovepipe wrote: »

Do you think manpower or other maintenance-related costs in Zurich are cheaper than in Ireland? Do you think the unions in Zurich are weaker than the Irish ones? Do you think Swiss workers had lesser terms and conditions than Irish workers? Wages in SRT weren't that spectacular, by any stretch. Wages in DA are way below par for the industry, given the cost of living in this country and they are especially too low for the risk involved.

regards
Stovepipe

I certainly think that the Swiss Unions were far less demanding than the then celtic Ireland greedy unions. They still are to an extent worryingly. Another major factor at the time was the strength of the Euro vs the Swiss franc meant SR were paying more and more in wages even though over here nothing changed.

SR are a Swiss company so it's only natural that they will favor cuts in their International outlets rather than the ones at home. Many Irish companies have cut a vast amount of jobs overseas while trying to minimize cuts here.

IngazZagni wrote: »

SR are a Swiss company so it's only natural that they will favor cuts in their International outlets rather than the ones at home. Many Irish companies have cut a vast amount of jobs overseas while trying to minimize cuts here.

I would have thought that the Abu Dhabi connection and the intention to construct a vast "aviation kingdom in the sand" was somewhat more of an influence than any Irish "Jim Larkinite" behaviour.....

That means that you are depending on the highly variable PB and PS just to equal what is being paid in EI....incidentally, EI are losing very qualified men to the leasing companies and certain American airlines, in some cases for double their wages.

flange888 wrote: »

Quite correct! It's not an ideal situation but it's worked out ok so far. Yeah I believe EI have lost a few guys lately for a number of different destinations. There's a genuine shortage of adequately trained B1/B2 out there at the minute.

I bet it's near impossible for DAL and EI To recruit full time B1 or B2 type rated engineers,they just don't pay the market rate...jet2 poached a load of Ryanair guys in Stanstead recently and Ryanair responded by putting up salary 10K
Not being able to recruit the right people puts pressure on existing staff and it compromises safety.

If you have an A licence Ryanair will put you on a wheel and brake team for 45k. 5 on 3 off. Permanent nights.

wheels and brakes forever? turning a four year apprenticeship into an old style seven year one, with no advancement in your education? permanent nights? No wonder airlines are losing people left and right...better off becoming a pilot.

check your PMs