Dublin dominates Central Council's games development budget

Slattsy · 20-02-2015 01:16AM

They dont get it lads, just let them yack about it till the cows come home.

Dont be surprised if there's an issue about the population of cows in Dublin now mind.

Hammer Archer · 20-02-2015 02:29AM

Slattsy wrote: »

They dont get it lads, just let them yack about it till the cows come home.

Dont be surprised if there's an issue about the population of cows in Dublin now mind.

You've posted twice in this thread without dealing with the subject and only to ridicule people discussing it. If you don't want to engage, then simply don't post in the thread.

bruschi · 20-02-2015 09:46AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The biggest scandals are counties like Longford and Westmeath who have been discussed that get similar funding but don't seem to do as much with it.

thats odd. I dont ever remember either Longford or Westmeath getting €1 million per year for hurling development.

Any links to show that Longford and Westmeath get similar funding to Dublin? Any links I have seen show a massive disparity between what Dublin get compared to others, particularly smaller counties.

nice_guy80 · 20-02-2015 10:06AM

Westmeath have 4 full time coaches/staff.
I think Longford have 3.

They must be spending the rest on fancy training gear or something

Slattsy · 20-02-2015 10:59AM

bruschi wrote: »

thats odd. I dont ever remember either Longford or Westmeath getting €1 million per year for hurling development.

Any links to show that Longford and Westmeath get similar funding to Dublin? Any links I have seen show a massive disparity between what Dublin get compared to others, particularly smaller counties.

And rightly so.
Do you honestly believe, considering the population and volume of clubs in Dublin that counties like Longford or Westmeath should receive funding remotely near what Dublin get?

Have counties like Longford or Westmeath gone with a development plan and asked for extra funds to implement same?
Genuine question. Maybe they have.

nice_guy80 · 20-02-2015 11:38AM

I'd say every county in Ireland has looked for extra funding, but been turned down.

Do jackeens think their culchie cousins are inept or something?

Slattsy · 20-02-2015 11:46AM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'd say every county in Ireland has looked for extra funding, but been turned down.

Do jackeens think their culchie cousins are inept or something?

If that's the case then clearly the Development Board do.

Are these plans deliverable? Maybe that's why.

keane2097 · 20-02-2015 11:58AM

Slattsy wrote: »

If that's the case then clearly the Development Board do.

Are these plans deliverable? Maybe that's why.

You've ignored the possibility - not to say fact - that several counties had perfectly adequate development plans and that the Dublin one was selected over them.

klairondavis · 20-02-2015 12:42PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The biggest scandals are counties like Longford and Westmeath who have been discussed that get similar funding but don't seem to do as much with it.

Longford have been punching against their weight at underage level for years. They have overachieved for such a tiny county which faces significant competition from soccer in the county town. They were Leinster minor champions in 2010 and have played in four Leinster u21 finals since 2003 (knocking out Dublin along the way in 2013).

Westmeath have made huge strides on the hurling field over the last ten years and can now be considered a genuine dual county. They are a great example for all of the Christy Ring counties aspiring to achieve Liam McCarthy status. Like Longford the GAA faces competition from other sports particularly in Athlone where Athlone Town and Buccaneers RFC would be popular. Robbie Henshaw would probably be a Westmeath senior footballer now if it weren't for the latter.

This idea that some county boards are just pissing their money away is wrong.

BonnieSituation · 20-02-2015 01:01PM

bruschi wrote: »

thats odd. I dont ever remember either Longford or Westmeath getting €1 million per year for hurling development.

Any links to show that Longford and Westmeath get similar funding to Dublin? Any links I have seen show a massive disparity between what Dublin get compared to others, particularly smaller counties.

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Westmeath have 4 full time coaches/staff.
I think Longford have 3.

They must be spending the rest on fancy training gear or something

I wrote that ham fistedly.

I meant that Westmeath and Longford get comparable funding to each other and one of them does a lot with it and the other less so.

Has there been a breakdown on euro per GAA member per county or our favourite stat, per member of the overall population?

bruschi · 20-02-2015 01:24PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I wrote that ham fistedly.

I meant that Westmeath and Longford get comparable funding to each other and one of them does a lot with it and the other less so.

Has there been a breakdown on euro per GAA member per county or our favourite stat, per member of the overall population?

fair enough, duly acknowledged.

I'm not sure they are much different to each other though, other than in hurling development. Longford are doing much better lately in their underage football development and their senior team are foing better too. I wouldnt see much between them in their current standards in football all things considered.

The breakdown per GAA member is certainly a stat that would end a lot of these debates, or at least add some sort of factual input to them.

nice_guy80 · 20-02-2015 05:38PM

klairondavis wrote: »

Westmeath have made huge strides on the hurling field over the last ten years and can now be considered a genuine dual county. They are a great example for all of the Christy Ring counties aspiring to achieve Liam McCarthy status. Like Longford the GAA faces competition from other sports particularly in Athlone where Athlone Town and Buccaneers RFC would be popular. Robbie Henshaw would probably be a Westmeath senior footballer now if it weren't for the latter.

This idea that some county boards are just pissing their money away is wrong.

There is less club hurling played in Westmeath than 20 years ago.
I would go as far to say that Westmeath hurling is a shambles outside the top 3 senior clubs.
Might look good from the outside, but the opposite is the case.

klairondavis · 20-02-2015 07:20PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

There is less club hurling played in Westmeath than 20 years ago.
I would go as far to say that Westmeath hurling is a shambles outside the top 3 senior clubs.
Might look good from the outside, but the opposite is the case.

Even more reason to invest in emerging hurling counties to ensure progress at senior county level is maintained I suppose. U21 hurlers showed great promise last year.

nice_guy80 · 21-02-2015 12:52AM

Promise but no progress. Same with minors.

ArielAtom · 21-02-2015 10:48AM

Is it not simply a case of Dublins GAA playing population is larger than other counties and is funded on a pro rata basis??? It may sound far to simplistic for some that see this thread as a way to have a dig at Dublin.

Mal-Adjusted · 21-02-2015 04:13PM

I haven't been on this thread in a while, but wasn't the issue that funding was massively uneven even taking population disparity into account?

BonnieSituation · 23-09-2015 04:34PM

So that the AIF match thread stops being derailed:

GAA annual accounts 2014:
https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0402151442-gaa-annual-accounts-for-2014-published/

Dublin claim bulk of development funds:
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

GAA defend colossal funding given to Dublin County Board:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaa-defend-colossal-funding-given-5109614

Irish Sports Council funding- €7.4m funding for FAI, GAA and IRFU:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2015/0415/694285-7-4m-funding-for-fai-gaa-and-irfu/

Dublin board rails against GAA grant cut proposals:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/dublin-board-rails-against-gaa-grant-cut-proposals-283005.html

Peist2007 · 23-09-2015 05:01PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

I haven't been on this thread in a while, but wasn't the issue that funding was massively uneven even taking population disparity into account?

Even so, allocating funding on a population pro-rata basis is utterly nonsensical if one is trying to ensure fair competition over the coming decades. There needs to be a rethink on the funding - large population centres are self-generating economically (eg see Dublin's AIG deal which exists becasue of their dominant market share) so they should be able to pay for themselves. Want to revamp hurling in Dublin? Great, pay for it using the wads of cash your footballers generate. Let the vast bulk of the GAA money go to smaller counties, regardless of how many people live there, and ensure top coaching, funding etc from the bottom up in those smaller counties. Then sit back and watch a much more competitive championship develop over the coming years.

The elephant in the room in this is that it makes little sense, from a commercial perspective, for the GAA to go with the above. The GAA needs Dublin to be at the top so that, from a numbers perspective, the largest market in the population is engaged. The GAA's own sponsors want that too.

I dont blame the Dubs team or fans for any of this. The Dubs cant be blamed for being the capital and largest population centre in the country. This is an issue relavant to the top level of the GAA. Does the GAA want a competitive championship or do they want to ensure that sponsorship remains constant and the accounts look good? This is also a social issue. I am a Mayo man and live in Dublin. If i have any kids that are talented, they will probably play for the Dubs. Mad thought for me but an example of the drain eastwards that exists in the country.

In short, it is not a simple black and white issue. I think smaller counties should get the bulk but i can see that, despite it being amateur on the field, there are both commercial and social factors involved also.

PolaroidPizza · 23-09-2015 05:14PM

when we talk about GAA we need to stop pretending its an amateur sport. Cash is given to management and backroom staff which everyone acknowledges but players get paid via holidays, cars, gear even Meat (yes I'm looking at you meath gaa).
just because it isn't a salary with euro signs after it, it doesn't mean it isn't pay. people in business get paid in shares all the time, but its still considered salary, even though it isn't cash.

PressRun · 23-09-2015 05:38PM

Jim McGuinness spoke about this on Off The Ball the other evening. The allocation of funds is most certainly an issue. Dublin people whinging about "anti-Dublin bias" is completely deflective when everyone can see the problems first hand. That is not to say that Dublin aren't deserving of their success or shouldn't strive to be the best they can, but it is very clear that other counties are being left behind. This is an issue with the structure of the championship as well as funding. The Leinster championship is a disturbing spectacle at this point, and there is absolutely no incentive for players in smaller counties to get better or commit when they're just going to get slaughtered by Dublin every year. Funding and resources breed hope within counties that they can get it together and compete, and there needs to be a serious conversation about the actual structure of the championship alongside discussions about money and where it's going.

BonnieSituation · 23-09-2015 06:18PM

For noway:

GAA annual accounts 2014:
https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0402151442-gaa-annual-accounts-for-2014-published/

Dublin claim bulk of development funds:
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

GAA defend colossal funding given to Dublin County Board:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaa-defend-colossal-funding-given-5109614

Irish Sports Council funding- €7.4m funding for FAI, GAA and IRFU:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2015/0415/694285-7-4m-funding-for-fai-gaa-and-irfu/

Dublin board rails against GAA grant cut proposals:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/dublin-board-rails-against-gaa-grant-cut-proposals-283005.html

riemann · 16-07-2017 09:49PM

Team with biggest budget wins again.

corny · 16-07-2017 10:13PM

riemann wrote: »

Team with biggest budget wins again.

Why don't you resurrect all the other threads? You'll be at it all night mind.

TrueGael · 16-07-2017 10:30PM

I'm sorry but you can't mention money around here or any other trivial little matters such as sponsorship, population, National Media to spread propaganda or Home Advantage

Keep quiet and bow down and worship Jim Gavin and all of the backroom team and the DCB

Tellyium · 17-07-2017 01:11AM

Like it or not, the only times Croke park is full is on all Ireland day or when the Dubs are playing (and that doesn't even happen every day anymore).
A strong Dublin team means more €€€ for the association.

friedhof · 17-07-2017 01:14AM

dublin pays refereees to get decisions there way

EICVD · 17-07-2017 02:03AM

friedhof wrote: »

dublin pays refereees to get decisions there way

Ssshhhh, that one is a secret!......

jimmycrackcorm · 17-07-2017 02:23AM

riemann wrote: »

Team with biggest budget wins again.

Not sure if it is the budget or more likely the population to draw from. After all Dublin will win and Leitrim will do crap.

But Dublin's advantage will just eventually turn both Dublin and non-Dublin fans off football.

I'd suggest that Dublin be diluted into Three or Four smaller regional teams.

EICVD · 17-07-2017 02:32AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Not sure if it is the budget or more likely the population to draw from. After all Dublin will win and Leitrim will do crap.

But Dublin's advantage will just eventually turn both Dublin and non-Dublin fans off football.

I'd suggest that Dublin be diluted into Three or Four smaller regional teams.

With all the bitterness we read & hear, no we'll never get bored of it. It's all that ****e that makes us want this domination to last as long as possible

Hammer Archer · 17-07-2017 09:06AM

Please don't bump 2 year old threads.

Dublin dominates Central Council's games development budget

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