Galway GAA discussion thread

Utopia Parkway · 11-07-2017 12:01PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I'd stick with Lavelle. You could see that against the wind, the kickoff strategy was to go short (as it always should be against the wind if possible). The first short one he landed on Bradshaws chest, Bradshaw then coughed it up for the easy Murtagh score. Second one he hit Heaney, and Heaney overcarried.

Heaney overcarried because there were 2 Roscommon players right on top of him at almost the same time as the ball.

I agree it's not all Lavelle's fault though. However they are organising the short kickouts is just not working. They are not getting the ball into a spare man's hands. The thing is Lavelle's long kickouts have gone to pot too. When Galway actually had the wind instead of kicking the ball high and long which should have been advantageous to our bigger taller midfielders he was putting a low trajectory on his kickouts which were often going straight into the gut of a Roscommon player who didn't even have to jump for it.

11-07-2017 01:29PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Heaney overcarried because there were 2 Roscommon players right on top of him at almost the same time as the ball.

I agree it's not all Lavelle's fault though. However they are organising the short kickouts is just not working. They are not getting the ball into a spare man's hands. The thing is Lavelle's long kickouts have gone to pot too. When Galway actually had the wind instead of kicking the ball high and long which should have been advantageous to our bigger taller midfielders he was putting a low trajectory on his kickouts which were often going straight into the gut of a Roscommon player who didn't even have to jump for it.

If kicking the ball high and long is so advantageous then answer me this, why aren't Dublin or even Mayo doing it?.

The further you kick it, which frankly is exactly what we did anyway, the more players converge and it turns into a 50:50.

Watch Dublin at the weekend and see how many times they kick it high and long... I'd bet it'll be zero.

At most it'll be clipped to the wings to a player running into space with his man 5 yards behind him and the ball falling in front of him.

threeball · 11-07-2017 05:54PM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

If kicking the ball high and long is so advantageous then answer me this, why aren't Dublin or even Mayo doing it?.

The further you kick it, which frankly is exactly what we did anyway, the more players converge and it turns into a 50:50.

Watch Dublin at the weekend and see how many times they kick it high and long... I'd bet it'll be zero.

At most it'll be clipped to the wings to a player running into space with his man 5 yards behind him and the ball falling in front of him.

I'd rather kick long than short when you have a Goalie who wouldn't hit the bay if he kicked off the pier.At least you have some chance of reclaiming it 40 yards from goal.

Short kickouts with the Goalies we have at our disposal is suicide. Maybe the management had seen that and its why we don't have a kickout strategy but succumbed to the outcry that's been going on about needing to kick short. In theory, yes we do, but only with the right personnel which we don't have.
We do however have at least 4 big men but we can't hit them either and we have no plan to forage underneath for breaking ball, a tactic that was perfected nearly 15yrs ago.

PARlance · 11-07-2017 06:10PM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

If kicking the ball high and long is so advantageous then answer me this, why aren't Dublin or even Mayo doing it?.

The further you kick it, which frankly is exactly what we did anyway, the more players converge and it turns into a 50:50.

Watch Dublin at the weekend and see how many times they kick it high and long... I'd bet it'll be zero.

At most it'll be clipped to the wings to a player running into space with his man 5 yards behind him and the ball falling in front of him.

The long ball is back. Not as much as it once was but it's definitely back. The more the championship progresses, the more it'll be used because the better teams are doing this full court press now. The Mark has also helped.

Dublin might not be forced to go long too often in the Leinster Final but they will be come August.

MaroonAndGreen · 11-07-2017 09:18PM

The real problem with Lavelle is that it's now been two championship games in a row that he's been very poor with kickous. The pressure versus Donegal will be insane, they are gona push up on a nervous, young goalkeeper playing his first championship year. It's all set up for disaster for Lavelle unfortunately. All eyes will be on him, tv and newspapers coverage all week will be talking about the Galway kick out. I'm sure he's taken abuse all week over the Roscommon game as there are fckin idiots who will be giving him stick. If he puts in a good performance against Donegal then fair play to him he has character about him.

briandebum · 12-07-2017 01:59AM

To be honest with the kickout situation you have to try and gauge where the blame lies between the management and the keeper. Roscommon made the correct decision to press up on our kickouts, they then immediately swarmed the Galway player in possession if we did kick it short.
What was concerning to me was the lack of a plan B from us to react to this. It was straight down the middle to a static target every time, which was easy pickings for Smith and Roscommon. Surely management should have anticipated this? Mayo caused us issues when pushing up at the end of the last match, and besides pushing up on kickouts isn't exactly a revolutionary new tactic.
McStay had a clear system in place where Roscommon kicked towards players running into space on the wings.
So blame must fall on Walsh for most of kickout woes. To my eyes any way, his tactics are dated and it doesn't look like he's done any work to try and incorporate the mark into our play.

WallyGUFC · 12-07-2017 08:56AM

No point kicking it long when the midfield is being outjumped by smaller men and consistently being outfought for breaking ball.

threeball · 12-07-2017 09:43AM

WallyGUFC wrote: »

No point kicking it long when the midfield is being outjumped by smaller men and consistently being outfought for breaking ball.

I vote that we kick it over the end line. Hope they drop the resulting 45 short and we'll attack from there

danganabu · 12-07-2017 11:56AM

briandebum wrote: »

To be honest with the kickout situation you have to try and gauge where the blame lies between the management and the keeper.

Agreed but you also have to include the outfield players as well, if there is no movement, no effort to make themselves available, no one competing the long ones etc. then there is very little the keeper can do. Keeper is always an easy scapegoat.

RobbieRuns · 12-07-2017 02:57PM

Short kick out strategy would be management alone. Could not blame the keeper for me

threeball · 12-07-2017 04:01PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Short kick out strategy would be management alone. Could not blame the keeper for me

You can blame the execution of the short kickout on him. A lad has to have a brain and know when its on and not on and its not on when you're being double marked as Heaney was for the first ball he coughed up.
Like I said earlier, if in doubt its better to kick it 40yrds from goal the chances of conceding a soft goal are much too high. For a short kickout the defender has to have at least a 90% chance of claiming an easy first possession to make it worth the risk. Dublin never kick contested short kickouts.

sporter1 · 13-07-2017 12:18PM

Does anyone know when the hurling semi final tickets go on sale? Or do we have wait until the quarter finals are finished, was on ticketmaster and gaa.ie but nothing seems available.

sporter1 · 13-07-2017 12:18PM

Does anyone know when the hurling semi final tickets go on sale? Or do we have wait until the quarter finals are finished, was on ticketmaster and gaa.ie but nothing seems available.

jossnjuice · 13-07-2017 01:39PM

sporter1 wrote: »

Does anyone know when the hurling semi final tickets go on sale? Or do we have wait until the quarter finals are finished, was on ticketmaster and gaa.ie but nothing seems available.

I already got my two for the hill..........try going straight through gaa.ie which reroutes to tickets.ie........although they do seem to disappear and reappear with absolutely no notice!

Worthwent14 · 16-07-2017 01:44PM

Few changes needed against Donegal but don't think many will be made. Breathnach, Kerin, Walsh, Sweeney, Heaney, GOD, Silke, conroy, O Curraoin, Brannigan, Walsh, Daly, Burke, Comer, cummins. Pointless having Meehan on bench if they're not willing to use him. Realistically I think KW will stick with the same team, he may bring in Armstrong but other than that I can't see him changing the team much

Worthwent14 · 16-07-2017 01:45PM

Meant flynn for o curraoin

jr86 · 16-07-2017 01:47PM

Walsh full back? :eek:

Worthwent14 · 16-07-2017 02:26PM

I know he's not great, but his height could be an asset? We don't really have any options in the backs

TCDStudent1 · 16-07-2017 02:27PM

Worthwent14 wrote: »

I know he's not great, but his height could be an asset? We don't really have any options in the backs

Walsh has not done anything in any Galway match this year to suggest he should be playing championship.

Worthwent14 · 16-07-2017 02:27PM

Does anyone know what the story is with joss moore? Or Colin Forde? They looked like decent full back material

Utopia Parkway · 16-07-2017 02:59PM

Worthwent14 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the story is with joss moore? Or Colin Forde? They looked like decent full back material

Forde has had injuries and was living in London for a while I think. Personally I never thought he was really up to it even when he was in the squad.

Moore I'm not sure. Think he's had injuries as well.

Worthwent14 · 16-07-2017 03:28PM

Conor Doherty was a brilliant underage player who was also quite good in the few senior games he played, anyone know what happened to him?

Diabhal Beag · 16-07-2017 03:32PM

Is Doherty not in London? Dunno if the lads suggested are an improvement. Like people lamenting the lack if Duane, think absence makes the heart rate the player better than they were.

TCDStudent1 · 16-07-2017 03:47PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Is Doherty not in London? Dunno if the lads suggested are an improvement. Like people lamenting the lack if Duane, think absence makes the heart rate the player better than they were.

Duane was always over-rated when he was there. Mulholland would pick him at centre back even when he wasnt playing well. However, he would still improve the squad now if he was available. I think there were commitment issues with him for the last couple of years (from what I heard anyway).

Robson99 · 16-07-2017 03:51PM

We probably better off getting beat by Donegal next Sat. Kerry will destroy us if we progress. Time to get in New mgmt and go again. Biggest problem is that we dont have 1 good defender. Our level is probably Clare Tipperary Down Kildare ie ranking 8 -12 in the country and A second division team

aidan24326 · 16-07-2017 03:55PM

Worthwent14 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the story is with joss moore? Or Colin Forde? They looked like decent full back material

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Forde has had injuries and was living in London for a while I think. Personally I never thought he was really up to it even when he was in the squad.

Moore I'm not sure. Think he's had injuries as well.

Moore has had bad injury problems, don't think he's an option any more.

In any case I don't know if was ever that much better than what we have.

Worthwent14 · 16-07-2017 04:21PM

Think Moore Doherty forde Duane would be as good as is there, in Doherty's case better. Doherty was a good ball carrier and could take points as well as a solid defender. Duane, I think, is a better version of kyne. Outta the u21s, only Sean Andy and Dylan mchugh looked to have potential for defending, molloy a possible Wong forward option

Happyilylost · 16-07-2017 04:32PM

Worthwent14 wrote:

Think Moore Doherty forde Duane would be as good as is there, in Doherty's case better. Doherty was a good ball carrier and could take points as well as a solid defender. Duane, I think, is a better version of kyne. Outta the u21s, only Sean Andy and Dylan mchugh looked to have potential for defending, molloy a possible Wong forward option

Cillian McDaid is ahead of all of them U21's.

Worthwent14 · 16-07-2017 04:41PM

Neglected to mention him as he is already on the senior panel

TCDStudent1 · 16-07-2017 04:54PM

Worthwent14 wrote: »

Think Moore Doherty forde Duane would be as good as is there, in Doherty's case better. Doherty was a good ball carrier and could take points as well as a solid defender. Duane, I think, is a better version of kyne. Outta the u21s, only Sean Andy and Dylan mchugh looked to have potential for defending, molloy a possible Wong forward option

The problem with the players you mentioned is that none of them pushed on at senior level.

Doherty was in the team for a year under Mulholland and was average.
Forde did his cruciate I think and never really came back after that. I dont think he is playing club football now.
I saw quite a bit of Mountbellew last year and cant even remember if Moore was playing for them. You would expect a county player to stand out in club championship games.

I dont think Dylan McHugh will emerge from that U-21 team. Decent player but his lack of pace will catch him out at senior level.

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