Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

irishman86 · 15-07-2017 05:18PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Agreed.

They don't all command the same aura and myth around them that Pep does though. He's as much a chequebook manager when needs be as anyone else is my point.

For me Jose has a more impressive cv based on what he achieved with Porto
Outside that there isnt much between them, Pep always has the best team bar last season but he doesnt get judged on results more on the style he plays. Jose needs to win something to be successful as he doesnt have the same attractive style

NIMAN · 15-07-2017 05:46PM

blueser wrote: »

And rumours still persist that we're trying to snare Mbappe, though I think he'll end up at Madrid (he's supposed to idolise Zidane, isn't he?).

I don't think his feelings about ZZ would matter.

We are talking about playing for Man City v Real Madrid here. Its a non-contest, irrespective of money. There's few players who would choose City over Madrid, all things being equal.

rwbug · 15-07-2017 06:12PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't think his feelings about ZZ would matter.

We are talking about playing for Man City v Real Madrid here. Its a non-contest, irrespective of money. There's few players who would choose City over Madrid, all things being equal.

The majority would prefer Real but it isn't a non-contest. Only last season we saw Gabriel Jesus choose City ahead of Barca and Real Madrid and Nolito choose City over Barca.

SlickRic · 15-07-2017 06:14PM

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Bakayoko to Chelsea is official.

The dominoes continue falling.

Matic to Utd next I'd imagine.

TitianGerm · 15-07-2017 06:15PM

rwbug wrote: »

The majority would prefer Real but it isn't a non-contest. Only last season we saw Gabriel Jesus choose City ahead of Barca and Real Madrid and Nolito choose City over Barca.

He wouldn't start for either Real or Barca, he knew he would have a better chance for City so I'd say that played a part.

deaddonkey15 · 15-07-2017 06:24PM

NIMAN wrote: »

This is how football has run for several decades now.

There was a book written about it. There is a direct correlation between money spent and trophies won.

So we often hear how Pep, Jose, Ancelloti and the like are geniuses. Despite the fact that they are handed practically unlimited funds to buy the best. They don't ever accept jobs where money will be tight. They have to go to incredibly rich clubs, otherwise they might have to actually work a miracle and win by motivating players, tactics etc.

Its not often now, or recently, you can point to a manager that won the top trophies with a limited budget.

In fairness to Mourinho, he won a Uefa Cup and Champions League with Porto and also a treble with Inter. He didn't have practically unlimited funds at those clubs.

Andersonisgod · 15-07-2017 06:45PM

SlickRic wrote: »

It's quite obvious Pep has been given a blank chequebook. Nothing wrong with that. It's an amazing position to be in.

However, what will bother me is if he beats all before him and he's lauded as a genius.

If any of the top 8 managers in the league were told to name whatever player they want, in whatever position they need, that is at all gettable, at whatever price, they'd all make a good fist of winning the League.

At least 3 of them have been...

TitianGerm · 15-07-2017 07:09PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

At least 3 of them have been...

Jose and what other two? Wenger hasn't spent much, either has Poch or Klopp and Conte didn't spend that much has he?

martyos121 · 15-07-2017 07:11PM

Leicester reject a £20m bid from Roma for Mahrez.

That's a highly optimistic offer, don't see him going for less than £40m despite his lack of form last season.

SlickRic · 15-07-2017 07:44PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

At least 3 of them have been...

Pep and José.

rwbug · 15-07-2017 07:57PM

https://twitter.com/City_Watch/status/886297868524539904

martyos121 · 15-07-2017 08:41PM

Federico Fazio joins Roma on a permanent deal having been there on loan last season from Spurs.

eagle eye · 15-07-2017 08:56PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Agreed.

They don't all command the same aura and myth around them that Pep does though. He's as much a chequebook manager when needs be as anyone else is my point.

Pep got that aura with the Barcelona team which won so much. There were loads of players who came through the club on that team and he came through the club himself both as a player and a coach.

He then got one of the biggest jobs in football at Bayern and broke records there even though he didn't manage to win the Champion's league. He maintained his status as one of the best managers in the world because his teams did very well.

He is at City now and a totally different environment and trying to make Manchester City a powerhouse of domestic and European football. It's a mammoth task but the money makes it possible. If he gets them to the top of European and domestic football consistently he certainly deserves to get lauded for it.

Zinedine Zidane is getting lauded for winning back to back Champion's league trophies and a club who have spent ridiculous money so Pep deserves the same plaudits if he gets City to the same level as Real Madrid imo.

Jayop · 15-07-2017 08:57PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Pep and José.

Jose has spent big on two players, the rest have been very reasonable. Hardly unlimited money on any position.

TitianGerm · 15-07-2017 09:02PM

Jayop wrote: »

Jose has spent big on two players, the rest have been very reasonable. Hardly unlimited money on any position.

Jose spent big at Chelsea the first time around as well.

SlickRic · 15-07-2017 10:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Pep got that aura with the Barcelona team which won so much. There were loads of players who came through the club on that team and he came through the club himself both as a player and a coach.

He then got one of the biggest jobs in football at Bayern and broke records there even though he didn't manage to win the Champion's league. He maintained his status as one of the best managers in the world because his teams did very well.

He is at City now and a totally different environment and trying to make Manchester City a powerhouse of domestic and European football. It's a mammoth task but the money makes it possible. If he gets them to the top of European and domestic football consistently he certainly deserves to get lauded for it.

Zinedine Zidane is getting lauded for winning back to back Champion's league trophies and a club who have spent ridiculous money so Pep deserves the same plaudits if he gets City to the same level as Real Madrid imo.

Pep is excellent. I've always said that.

He's just not as different to other elite managers as some want us to believe. That's my point.

Jayop · 15-07-2017 11:47PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

Jose spent big at Chelsea the first time around as well.

Surely we're talking current roles.

TitianGerm · 16-07-2017 12:00AM

Jayop wrote: »

Surely we're talking current roles.

Oh maybe he was but I took it to mean over the years?

Cantona's Collars · 16-07-2017 12:28AM

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/886361136777637889

"Next on Manchester City's record breaking defensive shopping list: Danilo"

Spend,spend,spend until trophies arrive.Genius

Corholio · 16-07-2017 01:00AM

So, if true, City are spending huge money on a very good attacking but can be dodgy defensively right wing back only to follow it up with an ok going forward but really poor defensively right wing back. I'd be surprised if it was true tbh.

irishman86 · 16-07-2017 01:50AM

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/886361136777637889

"Next on Manchester City's record breaking defensive shopping list: Danilo"

Spend,spend,spend until trophies arrive.Genius

Hes a poor Alves/Walker, a strange signing all around as hes been found out at the top level. Didnt have a sad record of being apart of every loss Real had last season

SlickRic · 16-07-2017 07:59AM

Corholio wrote: »

So, if true, City are spending huge money on a very good attacking but can be dodgy defensively right wing back only to follow it up with an ok going forward but really poor defensively right wing back. I'd be surprised if it was true tbh.

Pep isn't interested in his defenders being good defensively in the traditional sense. He's interested in pace. Why? Because his teams have all the possession and he wants recovery pace in case his team is hit on the counter.

Then he wants someone who is capable of creating an extra option in midfield as his full backs tuck in often.

Apart from that, he just wants them rampaging down their flank.

blueser · 16-07-2017 10:46AM

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/886361136777637889

"Next on Manchester City's record breaking defensive shopping list: Danilo"

Spend,spend,spend until trophies arrive.Genius

I presume you think the same about other managers in the league?

Armchair Andy · 16-07-2017 11:09AM

blueser wrote:

I presume you think the same about other managers in the league?

You heard it here first. Everton for the PL next season.

16-07-2017 11:42AM

blueser wrote: »

I presume you think the same about other managers in the league?

No, it's only big bad citeeeaaa that spend big!

rossie1977 · 16-07-2017 12:24PM

As far as what the top 5 clubs have spent since last summer

Man city 308 million
Man Utd 255 million
Chelsea 162 million
Arsenal 146 million
Liverpool 102 million

blueser · 16-07-2017 12:27PM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

No, it's only big bad citeeeaaa that spend big!

Apparently. We're the pantomime villian. Ah well. C'est la vie.

Turtwig · 16-07-2017 12:37PM

Maybe it's just me but I think Trippier is a better full back than Walker anyway.

Wonder with all that net spend by all the clubs this season what kind of product we'll get in the EPL next season.

Harry Palmr · 16-07-2017 12:43PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

As far as what the top 5 clubs have spent since last summer

Man city 308 million
Man Utd 255 million
Chelsea 162 million
Arsenal 146 million
Liverpool 102 million

What is Man Utd doing on that list?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-07-2017 12:45PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What is Man Utd doing on that list?

Top 5 in spending only, Harry:pac:

Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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