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Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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The time is upon us nearly,arsenal have confirmed left back sead kolasinac will sign from shalke for free,

Lots of talk Liverpool will announce Andrew Robertson from hull as soon as seasons over too.

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irishman86

SlickRic wrote: »

Agreed.

They don't all command the same aura and myth around them that Pep does though. He's as much a chequebook manager when needs be as anyone else is my point.

For me Jose has a more impressive cv based on what he achieved with Porto
Outside that there isnt much between them, Pep always has the best team bar last season but he doesnt get judged on results more on the style he plays. Jose needs to win something to be successful as he doesnt have the same attractive style

NIMAN

blueser wrote: »

And rumours still persist that we're trying to snare Mbappe, though I think he'll end up at Madrid (he's supposed to idolise Zidane, isn't he?).

I don't think his feelings about ZZ would matter.

We are talking about playing for Man City v Real Madrid here. Its a non-contest, irrespective of money. There's few players who would choose City over Madrid, all things being equal.

rwbug

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't think his feelings about ZZ would matter.

We are talking about playing for Man City v Real Madrid here. Its a non-contest, irrespective of money. There's few players who would choose City over Madrid, all things being equal.

The majority would prefer Real but it isn't a non-contest. Only last season we saw Gabriel Jesus choose City ahead of Barca and Real Madrid and Nolito choose City over Barca.

SlickRic

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Bakayoko to Chelsea is official.

The dominoes continue falling.

Matic to Utd next I'd imagine.

TitianGerm

rwbug wrote: »

The majority would prefer Real but it isn't a non-contest. Only last season we saw Gabriel Jesus choose City ahead of Barca and Real Madrid and Nolito choose City over Barca.

He wouldn't start for either Real or Barca, he knew he would have a better chance for City so I'd say that played a part.

deaddonkey15

NIMAN wrote: »

This is how football has run for several decades now.

There was a book written about it. There is a direct correlation between money spent and trophies won.

So we often hear how Pep, Jose, Ancelloti and the like are geniuses. Despite the fact that they are handed practically unlimited funds to buy the best. They don't ever accept jobs where money will be tight. They have to go to incredibly rich clubs, otherwise they might have to actually work a miracle and win by motivating players, tactics etc.

Its not often now, or recently, you can point to a manager that won the top trophies with a limited budget.

In fairness to Mourinho, he won a Uefa Cup and Champions League with Porto and also a treble with Inter. He didn't have practically unlimited funds at those clubs.

Andersonisgod

SlickRic wrote: »

It's quite obvious Pep has been given a blank chequebook. Nothing wrong with that. It's an amazing position to be in.

However, what will bother me is if he beats all before him and he's lauded as a genius.

If any of the top 8 managers in the league were told to name whatever player they want, in whatever position they need, that is at all gettable, at whatever price, they'd all make a good fist of winning the League.

At least 3 of them have been...

TitianGerm

Andersonisgod wrote: »

At least 3 of them have been...

Jose and what other two? Wenger hasn't spent much, either has Poch or Klopp and Conte didn't spend that much has he?

martyos121

Leicester reject a £20m bid from Roma for Mahrez.

That's a highly optimistic offer, don't see him going for less than £40m despite his lack of form last season.

SlickRic

Andersonisgod wrote: »

At least 3 of them have been...

Pep and José.

rwbug

https://twitter.com/City_Watch/status/886297868524539904

martyos121

Federico Fazio joins Roma on a permanent deal having been there on loan last season from Spurs.

eagle eye

SlickRic wrote: »

Agreed.

They don't all command the same aura and myth around them that Pep does though. He's as much a chequebook manager when needs be as anyone else is my point.

Pep got that aura with the Barcelona team which won so much. There were loads of players who came through the club on that team and he came through the club himself both as a player and a coach.

He then got one of the biggest jobs in football at Bayern and broke records there even though he didn't manage to win the Champion's league. He maintained his status as one of the best managers in the world because his teams did very well.

He is at City now and a totally different environment and trying to make Manchester City a powerhouse of domestic and European football. It's a mammoth task but the money makes it possible. If he gets them to the top of European and domestic football consistently he certainly deserves to get lauded for it.

Zinedine Zidane is getting lauded for winning back to back Champion's league trophies and a club who have spent ridiculous money so Pep deserves the same plaudits if he gets City to the same level as Real Madrid imo.

Jayop

SlickRic wrote: »

Pep and José.

Jose has spent big on two players, the rest have been very reasonable. Hardly unlimited money on any position.

TitianGerm

Jayop wrote: »

Jose has spent big on two players, the rest have been very reasonable. Hardly unlimited money on any position.

Jose spent big at Chelsea the first time around as well.

SlickRic

eagle eye wrote: »

Pep got that aura with the Barcelona team which won so much. There were loads of players who came through the club on that team and he came through the club himself both as a player and a coach.

He then got one of the biggest jobs in football at Bayern and broke records there even though he didn't manage to win the Champion's league. He maintained his status as one of the best managers in the world because his teams did very well.

He is at City now and a totally different environment and trying to make Manchester City a powerhouse of domestic and European football. It's a mammoth task but the money makes it possible. If he gets them to the top of European and domestic football consistently he certainly deserves to get lauded for it.

Zinedine Zidane is getting lauded for winning back to back Champion's league trophies and a club who have spent ridiculous money so Pep deserves the same plaudits if he gets City to the same level as Real Madrid imo.

Pep is excellent. I've always said that.

He's just not as different to other elite managers as some want us to believe. That's my point.

Jayop

emmetkenny wrote: »

Jose spent big at Chelsea the first time around as well.

Surely we're talking current roles.

TitianGerm

Jayop wrote: »

Surely we're talking current roles.

Oh maybe he was but I took it to mean over the years?

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/886361136777637889

"Next on Manchester City's record breaking defensive shopping list: Danilo"

Spend,spend,spend until trophies arrive.Genius

Corholio

So, if true, City are spending huge money on a very good attacking but can be dodgy defensively right wing back only to follow it up with an ok going forward but really poor defensively right wing back. I'd be surprised if it was true tbh.

irishman86

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/886361136777637889

"Next on Manchester City's record breaking defensive shopping list: Danilo"

Spend,spend,spend until trophies arrive.Genius

Hes a poor Alves/Walker, a strange signing all around as hes been found out at the top level. Didnt have a sad record of being apart of every loss Real had last season

SlickRic

Corholio wrote: »

So, if true, City are spending huge money on a very good attacking but can be dodgy defensively right wing back only to follow it up with an ok going forward but really poor defensively right wing back. I'd be surprised if it was true tbh.

Pep isn't interested in his defenders being good defensively in the traditional sense. He's interested in pace. Why? Because his teams have all the possession and he wants recovery pace in case his team is hit on the counter.

Then he wants someone who is capable of creating an extra option in midfield as his full backs tuck in often.

Apart from that, he just wants them rampaging down their flank.

blueser

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/886361136777637889

"Next on Manchester City's record breaking defensive shopping list: Danilo"

Spend,spend,spend until trophies arrive.Genius

I presume you think the same about other managers in the league?

Armchair Andy

blueser wrote:

I presume you think the same about other managers in the league?

You heard it here first. Everton for the PL next season.

[Deleted User]

blueser wrote: »

I presume you think the same about other managers in the league?

No, it's only big bad citeeeaaa that spend big!

rossie1977

As far as what the top 5 clubs have spent since last summer

Man city 308 million
Man Utd 255 million
Chelsea 162 million
Arsenal 146 million
Liverpool 102 million

blueser

RoboKlopp wrote: »

No, it's only big bad citeeeaaa that spend big!

Apparently. We're the pantomime villian. Ah well. C'est la vie.

Turtwig

Maybe it's just me but I think Trippier is a better full back than Walker anyway.

Wonder with all that net spend by all the clubs this season what kind of product we'll get in the EPL next season.

Harry Palmr

rossie1977 wrote: »

As far as what the top 5 clubs have spent since last summer

Man city 308 million
Man Utd 255 million
Chelsea 162 million
Arsenal 146 million
Liverpool 102 million

What is Man Utd doing on that list?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What is Man Utd doing on that list?

Top 5 in spending only, Harry:pac: