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Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

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    #182
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    end of the road wrote: »
    incorrect, islam is integrating peacefully with western culture. there is an issue with islamic fundamentalists but the majority of islam is peaceful.

    Islam-ic fundamentalism is part of Islam the clue is in the name...
    It will always be a part of it.
    Spiritual Islam is fine but it's only a small part of the religion,the majority is supremacist and political.
    Note I'm speaking about the ideology and not the people.


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    #183
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    EotR has an estranged relationship with this concept of "evidence", your honour. Whenever he's asked to provide it, no matter the topic, he simply repeats what he said over and over again in the hopes you'll stop replying to him.


    this is incorrect and inaccurate.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #184
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    I used to live in an area in London where pretty much everyone was from a different corner of the earth, and I loved it. Suburban Dublin is so bland and boring to me. I'm glad I don't have to give a sh*t about immigrants or what colour people are, why would I, it doesn't affect me in any way.

    If you enjoyed living in multicultural area, why not move to a multicultural area? A great many of us don't want to live in one, and forcing us to do so is going to cause a lot of resentment over time.

    There are places you can move to if you like the multicultural aspect, you can go to London or Berlin or Paris or New York, but where am I to go when I don't want it? The answer is that there isn't anywhere for people like me to go, we're being forced into something we don't want and we're told it's our problem or we can just leave if we want - but where the fúck are we supposed to go? We only have one Ireland, you have many different places to go if you so wish.

    Instead of you making a choice that impacts on both of our lives, why not make a choice that only impacts on yours?


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    #185
    southstar
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    Now I notice that a lot of posters are conflating colour and race. I guessing the OP brought up a question about colour while perhaps really referencing race given the background to his post.
    Also some posters are comparing Ireland unfavourably to the UK on the issue of race relations. Yes it has a great level of diversity which functions well up in some but not all respects....and Brexit occurred because of widespread fears about the new wave of immigration which is the strew that broke the camels back.. that's not generally contested. UKIP are now defunct as that was their drum and UK seems very confused indeed. I saw Blair taking about UK softening it's stance on free movement so as to get a better deal from Europe but that's not going to happen because that was the primary reason for the vote...the rest was just fluff to add some sense of respectability to it all.


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    #186
    dav3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Golfproam wrote: »
    Wrong again. Simply acknowledging the obvious. Islam does not, never has and never will integrate peacefully with Western culture.

    They've been living in Ballyhaunis (the reason for this thinly veiled xenophobic thread) since the mid 70s, getting on for nearly half a century there.

    I must admit, I haven't been able to find any statistics on beheadings or the number of homosexuals thrown from the rooftops. But if certain people in this thread are to be believed, I imagine it must be in the thousands, if not tens of thousands...possibly even billions.


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    #187
    fisgon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭fisgon


    AnGaelach wrote: »

    The answer is that there isn't anywhere for people like me to go, we're being forced into something we don't want and we're told it's our problem or we can just leave if we want - but where the fúck are we supposed to go? We only have one Ireland, you have many different places to go if you so wish.

    Nobody is forcing you to do anything. The vast majority of this country is still overwhelming white and Irish. There is no threat to "people like you", whoever that is, you are simply scaremongering about a threat that does not exist.


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    #188
    Golfproam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭Golfproam


    southstar wrote: »
    Now I notice that a lot of posters are conflating colour and race. I guessing the OP brought up a question about colour while perhaps really referencing race given the background to his post.
    Also some posters are comparing Ireland unfavourably to the UK on the issue of race relations. Yes it has a great level of diversity which functions well up in some but not all respects....and Brexit occurred because of widespread fears about the new wave of immigration which is the strew that broke the camels back.. that's not generally contested. UKIP are now defunct as that was their drum and UK seems very confused indeed. I saw Blair taking about UK softening it's stance on free movement so as to get a better deal from Europe but that's not going to happen because that was the primary reason for the vote...the rest was just fluff to add some sense of respectability to it all.
    Islam is not a race, it is an ideology.


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    #189
    AnGaelach
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    fisgon wrote: »
    Nobody is forcing you to do anything. The vast majority of this country is still overwhelming white and Irish. There is no threat to "people like you", whoever that is, you are simply scaremongering about a threat that does not exist.

    A threat that does not exist yet, but most certainly will because of the simple outright resistance of people like you to the idea that multiculturalism isn't wanted by a great many people. Do you think we can continue having Islam and Hinduism grow at a rate of 6% a year without any of the experiences in Europe or other countries?

    We've already seen such changes in Ballyhaunis and Balbriggan, and the same is happening in Ballaghaderreen and likely a dozen other towns and villages and areas in the country.

    You're delusional if you think we can replicate the policies of the continentals and the British whilst also somehow avoiding the repercussions of their decisions.


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    #190
    dav3
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Do you think we can continue having Islam and Hinduism grow at a rate of 6% a year

    Do you think we can continue having no religion grow at a rate of 15% a year...

    Maths is easy guys.


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    #191
    NLC1072
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    I dare anybody to walk East London streets at night (Newham etc) and tell me the enjoyed the experience. Now that is a literal cleansing of the indigenous population right there.

    I don't think I'd like to see that here.

    I don't mind immigration, BUT it has to be done properly with integration and places not allowed to turn in to overseas nationalities ghettos.

    Not racist, but I like to live in Ireland because I like the Irish - Long may it stay that way... and I'm English btw.


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    #192
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    dav3 wrote: »
    Do you think we can continue having no religion grow at a rate of 15% a year...

    Maths is easy guys.

    Yes because Islam's growth in Germany, Britain and France has totally slowed down and isn't still growing...


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    #193
    Sven Hassel
    Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    See how the whites are doing in South Africa and ask yourself if you want to be a white minority.


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    #194
    Sven Hassel
    Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    end of the road wrote: »
    incorrect, islam is integrating peacefully with western culture. there is an issue with islamic fundamentalists but the majority of islam is peaceful.

    Thanks for making me laugh. Europe needs Islam as much as I need a hole in the head.


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    #195
    AnneFrank
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    Jeez people trying to be so pc makes me sick, if you have a preference your automatically racist,


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    #196
    Sven Hassel
    Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Jeez people trying to be so pc makes me sick, if you have a preference your automatically racist,

    A little diversity is ok but I want to live around my people, white Irish.


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    #197
    southstar
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    Golfproam wrote: »
    Islam is not a race, it is an ideology.

    I never said it's a race.. what gave you that idea. And no its a religion/ideology like many of same. A certain section of it are lunatics but mostly they are peaceable people. That's my of experience of them both working and living in London and back home.


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    #198
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    How many future generations are you expecting to protect with your racist views?

    So no problem with an indigenous population becoming a minority in the area?


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    #199
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    end of the road wrote: »
    incorrect, islam is integrating peacefully with western culture. there is an issue with islamic fundamentalists but the majority of islam is peaceful.

    If the fundamental aspect is not removable the the issue remains.


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    #200
    Dr Crayfish
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    I don't know any of my neighbours so I couldn't care less where they are from


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    #201
    end of the road
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    NLC1072 wrote: »
    I dare anybody to walk East London streets at night (Newham etc) and tell me the enjoyed the experience. Now that is a literal cleansing of the indigenous population right there.

    I don't think I'd like to see that here.

    I don't mind immigration, BUT it has to be done properly with integration and places not allowed to turn in to overseas nationalities ghettos.

    Not racist, but I like to live in Ireland because I like the Irish - Long may it stay that way... and I'm English btw.


    there isn't really anything you can do if people sell up and move out of an area, and others buy their houses and move in.
    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Jeez people trying to be so pc makes me sick, if you have a preference your automatically racist,

    nope. nobody is being pc as it's a myth and yeah, if you "prefer" (as in think) 1 group of people is better then another on the basis of the colour of their skin then that is racist.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #202
    AnneFrank
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there isn't really anything you can do if people sell up and move out of an area, and others buy their houses and move in.



    nope. nobody is being pc as it's a myth and yeah, if you "prefer" (as in think) 1 group of people is better then another on the basis of the colour of their skin then that is racist.

    Waffle


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    #203
    Dr Crayfish
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    Sven Hassel wrote: »
    A little diversity is ok but I want to live around my people, white Irish.

    So you'd have a problem with Paul McGrath as a neighbour?


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    #204
    Sven Hassel
    Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    end of the road wrote: »
    there isn't really anything you can do if people sell up and move out of an area, and others buy their houses and move in.



    nope. nobody is being pc as it's a myth and yeah, if you "prefer" (as in think) 1 group of people is better then another on the basis of the colour of their skin then that is racist.

    PC is not a myth. Thousand of white girls were raped and abused all across Britain and the police and social services dared not take action as the rapists were Pakistanis

    And nothing wrong with wanting to live among your own kind. It's human nature.


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    #205
    Academic
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭Academic


    southstar wrote: »
    Now I notice that a lot of posters are conflating colour and race. I guessing the OP brought up a question about colour while perhaps really referencing race given the background to his post.
    [...]

    Yes, and skin colour ("white") and nationality ("Irish"). One can also refer to "Irish culture," of course, but culture changes even more rapidly. Irish culture today is much different than it was a mere 30 years ago, and even more vastly different than it was 100 years ago. Both nationality and culture are variables, not constants.


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    #206
    Sven Hassel
    Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    So you'd have a problem with Paul McGrath as a neighbour?

    Don't know, I don't know what he's like to live beside. I still want the white Irish to always be the overwhelming majority in this country. It's human nature.


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    #207
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    end of the road wrote: »
    there isn't really anything you can do if people sell up and move out of an area, and others buy their houses and move in.



    nope. nobody is being pc as it's a myth and yeah, if you "prefer" (as in think) 1 group of people is better then another on the basis of the colour of their skin then that is racist.

    Regarding the first bit, when looking at who is entering an area if they don't have freedom of travel then you can control it. It would only be existing EU citizens and others with long term visa and such who'd get it.


    For me the fear about this isnt about colour but nationality or moreso culture. Multiculturalism doesn't work and just causes problems, it either integrate into a culture or replace it. Having cultures side by side is asking for issues.

    With the above in mind it is immigration rates and avoiding ghettos as the main weapons to maintaining the culture we have.


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    #208
    Dr Crayfish
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    Sven Hassel wrote: »
    Don't know, I don't know what he's like to live beside. I still want the white Irish to always be the overwhelming majority in this country. It's human nature.

    Well you're saying that those around you, you want them to be white. I have a cousin who's dad is black, born and raised here. You wouldn't want her living next to you? How come I couldn't care less what colour anyone is if it's my nature?


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    #209
    Sven Hassel
    Site Banned Posts: 96 ✭✭Sven Hassel


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    I have a cousin who's dad is black, born and raised here. You wouldn't want her living next to you? How come I couldn't care less what colour anyone is if it's my nature?

    Nice story. I have friends from different cultures too. A little diversity is fine but the host culture should always be dominant.

    Why don't you care? Because you are naive.


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    #210
    Tom Mann Centuria
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    If it ever happens we'll all be long dead so wouldn't worry too much.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    #211
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    Well you're saying that those around you, you want them to be white. I have a cousin who's dad is black, born and raised here. You wouldn't want her living next to you? How come I couldn't care less what colour anyone is if it's my nature?

    Paul McGrath. Then the cousin's dad. Any sign of Morgan Freeman?


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