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Would you support your son/daughter child becoming a prostitute?

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  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    not at all, I dont think i need to elaborate any further, someone who would actively encourage/refrain from discouraging his son or daughter to become a prostitute is touched in the head, in my opinion.

    Not sure what this has to do with me then as nowhere in my post did I indicate that I would "actively encourage" it. Sounds like you have a record to play - and you merely decided to play it at me. I would not "actively encourage" them to become a toilet cleaner or a soldier either. But if that is the career they find for themselves and are happy with - then I would be happy for them too.

    What I do encourage - strongly - is that my children (current children and the ones I plan to have in the future) find themselves what they want - and get into the career that _they_ choose for themselves and avoid landing in a career that _they_ themselves do not want to be in. It is not my role as a parent to choose for them - or hinder them in their own choice for - any given career.

    If you want to tell me what is wrong with that - rather than random personal insults that inform no one of anything - then I am all ears as they say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭fizzypish


    Its probably a bit late to be "supporting" them now if they are considering the sex industry as a viable option. You already ****ed up somewhere along the way..... and sure there are defiantly young women/men who enter the industry perfectly happy and sound of mind (young lady who did the AMA seemed fine from what I read but who can tell on the interwebs) but I would hazard a guess that their number is not in the majority. I wouldn't support anyone I care about entering the industry. I'd be more inclined to lay out some other options and then let them make up their own mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭BuyersRemorse


    I'd probably have a chat with them about the evils of the 'gig economy' and zero-hours contracts, but if they found a nice pimp, who was willing to pay into a pension scheme, and at least provide basic sick pay, then who am I to stand in their way.


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fizzypish wrote: »
    Its probably a bit late to be "supporting" them now if they are considering the sex industry as a viable option. You already ****ed up somewhere along the way.....

    Not necessarily. Not everyone who chooses that career path does so because they are some how damaged or desperate. Some people do it solely because they _want_ to.

    Any child of mine who wants to do it will have my acceptance and support. Any child of mine who is getting into it for reasons or desperation or coercion or anything which means they are doing it against their choice and will - will get the relevant kind of support from me for that too.

    It is not up to a parent to choose or veto a career for their children. It is up to a parent to ensure children have all the education - skills - and emotional support to make those choices for themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Buttercake


    Cant wait to hear what the cherry picker feminists have to say


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter


    I'd probably have a chat with them about the evils of the 'gig economy' and zero-hours contracts, but if they found a nice pimp, who was willing to pay into a pension scheme, and at least provide basic sick pay, then who am I to stand in their way.

    What no holiday pay ?:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Game Face MCGee


    not at all, I dont think i need to elaborate any further, someone who would actively encourage/refrain from discouraging his son or daughter to become a prostitute is touched in the head, in my opinion.

    Not sure what this has to do with me then as nowhere in my post did I indicate that I would "actively encourage" it. Sounds like you have a record to play - and you merely decided to play it at me.

    What I do encourage - strongly - is that my children (current children and the ones I plan to have in the future) find themselves what they want - and get into the career that _they_ choose for themselves and avoid landing in a career that _they_ themselves do not want to be in.

    If you want to tell me what is wrong with that - rather than random personal insults that inform no one of anything - then I am all ears as they say.
    by your logic, would you support your child if they wanted to be a drug dealer, an assassin, human trafficker, professional begger, loan shark? if that's what they wanted to do? I doubt it.
    I am in the same boat as you with my children in term of encouragement but I'd drawn the line at selling their body for money.
    We are seeing the fruits of your type of parenting in America as we speak, young adults coming out of college with useless degrees in  gender studies and midget dance, complaining that they cant get a 6 figure job and blaming the system for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    This is a weird one. I'd have no problem with anyone enjoying a full and healthy sex life, (apart from wanting to murder anyone who even looks at my daughter). However, to do it for a living might be a step too far.

    Like most parents, I'd rather see my kids go to medical school rather than selling themselves.

    Besides. I imagine that its an occupation in which youre probably over the hill at 30\35


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Depends on what you mean by "support". Would I choose it for them, would I push them towards it? No, of course not. But then there are lots of "respectable" jobs I would hate to see a child of mine do and would actively encourage them away from; butcher, soldier, fishing, motor racing, jockey, stuntman. And so forth.

    "Support" is a different thing altogether. If an adult child came home and I discovered they'd gone on the game, I wouldn't cast them out the door. If they could allay my worries about their safety and show me they've properly thought about it and they're not doing it out of desperation then I'd STFU. No matter what, they'd always have my love and support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Only if I got free tricks.


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  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    by your logic, would you support your child if they wanted to be a drug dealer, an assassin, human trafficker, professional begger, loan shark? if that's what they wanted to do? I doubt it.

    I thought it would go without saying - but I am happy to make it explicit if you need me to - that them doing anything illegal is an entirely different question. I have no interest in supporting anyone who wishes to break the law.

    So you can take my comments in how I would support the career choices of my children in that context.

    I have asked and asked and asked people who have an issue with a legal and fully regulated sex industry - what the actual arguments against it really are. And I have not really received any informative replies over the years. They usually just try to blacken prostitution with crimes of another form.
    We are seeing the fruits of your type of parenting in America as we speak, young adults coming out of college with useless degrees in gender studies and midget dance, complaining that they cant get a 6 figure job and blaming the system for it.

    I am not seeing the link between anything I have written on this thread - and what you describe above. It seems to be a rather remarkable leap in long distance non-sequiturism to me. Could you make the link more explicit as to what you (think you) are talking about here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    There was an AMA recently with a sex worker and it made for fascinating reading. She certainly didn't appear to be someone who was messed in the head or from a troubled background. She was making a good living doing something she enjoyed with people she was happy to be intimate with. I don't see anything questionable about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter



    Besides. I imagine that its an occupation in which youre probably over the hill at 30\35

    Wasn't there one in the UK on breakfast tele last year in her 70's?

    That's what happens when they raise the retirement age;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    I'd ask them how much they charge for a blowie with no condom.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    123shooter wrote: »
    Wasn't there one in the UK on breakfast tele last year in her 70's?

    That's what happens when they raise the retirement age;)

    I suppose there must be blokes that are into that kind of thing.

    Its the same as the huge big fat birds who do porn


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭fizzypish


    Not necessarily. Not everyone who chooses that career path does so because they are some how damaged or desperate. Some people do it solely because they _want_ to.

    I mentioned it initially but you are right. Some in the industry have their heads screwed on but I find it hard to believe that is the majority. I reference again the sex worker AMA. That lady seemed to have her **** together but would you think most of her co workers are in the same boat?
    Your adult child decides to go into sex work. I'm assuming you'd sit down to look through all the options and encourage another decision rather than an immediate big hug and "I support you honey". The adult child might decide to enter the industry between 18-24. I can't speak for you but I did not make good decisions during these years. Nearly 30, only starting to make them now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    It doesnt look good on the C.V does it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    eviltwin wrote: »
    There was an AMA recently with a sex worker and it made for fascinating reading. She certainly didn't appear to be someone who was messed in the head or from a troubled background. She was making a good living doing something she enjoyed with people she was happy to be intimate with. I don't see anything questionable about that.

    However she spun it she was getting drilled by old randomers for money.

    I bet in your job if they asked you to handwash your mugs and put them back rather than just leave them on your desk for the cleaners to tidy away you'd be onto your union rep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    It doesnt look good on the C.V does it

    You'd just put 'Travelling' on there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭LadyMacBeth_


    Even if prostitution was fully decriminalize and regulated I still wouldn't want my child to be a prostitute (not that I have any kids). Maybe if they wanted to be a high class escort who is paid very well and and chooses their own clientele but even so, the idea unsettles me. I just can't help but think of it as a last resort job that won't bring job satisfaction but rather self-loathing so I'd question their reasons for wanting to do it. Edited to say that I wouldn't reject them, I'd be there for them in terms of support, I'd just be worried for their mental and physical well-being.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter


    I suppose there must be blokes that are into that kind of thing.

    Its the same as the huge big fat birds who do porn

    I like mature. Over 25 but no oldies and no gingers or porkers:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter


    Glenster wrote: »
    You'd just put 'Travelling' on there.

    Hospitality. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter


    Even if prostitution was fully decriminalize and regulated I still wouldn't want my child to be a prostitute (not that I have any kids). Maybe if they wanted to be a high class escort who is paid very well and and chooses their own clientele but even so,

    I think in the main it has moved on from standing on a street corner down a dark alley.

    They do now choose their clientelle and it's all internet based not stinky phone box business card stuff.


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fizzypish wrote: »
    I mentioned it initially but you are right. Some in the industry have their heads screwed on but I find it hard to believe that is the majority.

    I have no idea what the figures are on that to be honest. And the variety of people in sex work makes it hard to even guess at. Not everyone is a career sex worker for example. There are also a number of people who only do it for a short period to do things like - to take examples from girls I have known personally - subsidise a college education.

    But I would not be surprised at there being a large number of people who do it purely because they want to. Look at a porn site like newbie nudes for example.

    There you have large quantities of people making porn and sexual content - hard and soft core - entirely for free. Merely for the pleasure and fun of it.

    It is not a massive leap to suggest that such people might occasionally say "Ohhh I can enjoy this - and make money doing it too????"
    fizzypish wrote: »
    Your adult child decides to go into sex work. I'm assuming you'd sit down to look through all the options and encourage another decision rather than an immediate big hug and "I support you honey".

    I would never second guess anyone - even my own children - going into such a career. I would want to know nothing more that A) are they doing this of their own choice and volition and B) are they fully informed on the pros and cons of such a career path.

    If the answer to both of those questions turns out to be yes - then that is where my role as a parent ends for the time being until something else changes.
    Even if prostitution was fully decriminalize and regulated I still wouldn't want my child to be a prostitute

    Oh nor would I. What we _want_ for our children is a different question to what the OP was asking in the thread title and the closure of his OP.

    There are any number of careers I do not _want_ for my children. I would not like them being a career toilet cleaner for example - or one of those people who goes into people's houses to reposses their house or furniture because they could not meet their bills. Or one of the people who puts parking tickets on cars. And so on - and so on.

    What we want and hope for our children is one thing. What they choose for themselves is another - and I think as parents it is not our role to choose or veto a career for our children - but to merely ensure as best we can that they are equipped to make that decision for themselves. Be that decision anything from mad scientist down to sex worker down to politician


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    Glenster wrote: »
    You'd just put 'Travelling' on there.

    Or social work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭fizzypish


    I find most of what your saying reasonable. Some people really like sex and are happy to get paid for it. Some people get on well in the whole industry. I don't know what % the some works out at and thats what would worry me a little. All valid points and no disagreement from me.

    I would never second guess anyone - even my own children - going into such a career. I would want to know nothing more that A) are they doing this of their own choice and volition and B) are they fully informed on the pros and cons of such a career path.

    But I don't agree with this. Maybe its simply because I know how foolish I was/am. Help inform them of the scope of the decision. Lay out some other options and then let them decide. I'll eat my shoes if 17 yr old *name* walks up to you and says "I'm becoming an escort on my 18th" and you just let her at it without a fight. I don't have kids so I don't know but your ideas are probably going to be over run by paternal instinct.


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who knows - I can only comment on what I know of me and my children in the present. And they are only 6 and 3. I will not guess at what I _might_ do in the future in a game of whatiffery as I do not think I am in a position to do so.

    But right _now_ all I can say is that if I was sure the person in question was doing it because they want to - and they appeared to be fully informed on the career itself - then my part is done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    I think in general the prevalence of people producing and freely sharing porn has kind of put paid to the old well trotted out line about all sex workers somehow being damaged souls in need of guidance.
    There are plenty of people who like sex enough to happily do it with strangers for free, so why wouldn't at least some of those be quite happy to do it with those same strangers for money?
    It is entirely plausible to enter into sex work both willingly and happily - no matter what those clowns in Ruhama will tell you!

    But all that being said -I still wouldn't like it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    I'd hope she'd offer a family discount.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭LadyMacBeth_


    Yogy Hyena wrote: »
    It seems like you are assuming everyone has a hive mind.

    It's just my opinion on it, I didn't state it as fact.


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