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Toddler stabbed to death in Dublin

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  • #182
    optogirl
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Just kind of taken aback some people seem more outraged trump was elected than a mother murdering a three year old. Calls for understanding and tolerance not to judge the murderer but if you're a trump supporter you're beyond redemption

    The two situations are not really comparable however...

    Trump being elected was a shock because of the sheer number of people who gave him their preference - it is scarier in terms of the collective community because of the rise of racism/facism & a more right wing type of politics. The reverberations are felt throughout the world.

    The murder of this wee boy is a shock but in a completely different way as it is a tragic instance where either a) a murderous woman killed a toddler b) a woman with a severe mental disorder had a psychotic episode which resulted in the child's murder - either way it is horrific & hard to think about but sadly it is not the kind of thing we can really mitigate for. Trump on the other hand was part of a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ass campaign in which he set out his stall pretty clearly. A lot of people thought/hoped he couldn't be elected & he still was.


  • #183
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    MysticMonk wrote: »
    The fact is that the kid's mother (who is Iranian) was arrested and the cops arent looking for anybody else.

    There are the facts.

    Where does it say that? People keep saying that but haven't posted a link to anything.

    Her nationality shouldn't matter. But if you are going to mention it, get it right. Most reports I've seen says she's Iraqi.


  • #184
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Armchair Andy wrote: »
    You can bet your bottom dollar she did it.

    Why would I bet on something I don't know?


  • #185
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Grayson wrote: »
    Then post an article from the news site. Or say such and such a news site has said it. But facebook isn't a news site.

    We're into semantics now but it was the poster Muir that said s/he read articles posted on Facebook, meaning news articles. They didn't refer to Facebook as a news site, I'm not either, but you can get news from there in the same way you can get news from Twitter or the TV. I myself posted an article from a news site that I came across on FB, I presume Muir was referring to something in the same way.


  • #186
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Omackeral wrote: »
    We're into semantics now but it was the poster Muir that said s/he read articles posted on Facebook, meaning news articles. They didn't refer to Facebook as a news site, I'm not either, but you can get news from there in the same way you can get news from Twitter or the TV. I myself posted an article from a news site that I came across on FB, I presume Muir was referring to something in the same way.

    I wasn't referring to you directly. but saying I saw it on facebook is citing a third party source. You (Or whoever's posting it) should say I saw it on the irish times or whatever. Or say that "The irish times is reporting it".


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  • #187
    Muir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Muir


    I hadn't saved them to post links, just seen them as I was scrolling, so went back to find a couple for you:

    http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/mum-toddler-stabbed-death-kimmage-13319226

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4000852/mum-of-toddler-boy-3-found-stabbed-at-dublin-apartment-arrested-in-connection-with-his-death/


  • #188
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Grayson wrote: »
    I wasn't referring to you directly. but saying I saw it on facebook is citing a third party source. You (Or whoever's posting it) should say I saw it on the irish times or whatever. Or say that "The irish times is reporting it".


    http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0385322_PE558444_S5.JPG
    Dude here have a lamp cause you need to lighten up. Who cares whether he saw it on Facebook or if a carrier pidgeon dropped a telegram off on his door step? It's all over every single media outlet. You're being pedantic for the sake of it


  • #189
    [Deleted User]
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    spurious wrote: »
    It's the almost gleeful reaction that some here have exhibited to it being the mother that's been arrested that's really distasteful. A child is dead. A number of lives have been destroyed. There are no points to be scored.

    Where's the glee?! Are you reading what you're posting and more importantly are you believing it? What points are there to be scored? Who 'wins' here exactly? Everyone knows a child is dead. We know that. You saying it again in attempt to shove shame onto people doesn't bring it any more gravitas. Some people have made the observation that there are differing reactions of society to infanticide depending on which parent was responsible for the killing. It's an observation. It doesn't mean they're being gleeful. It's comments like yours that are the disrespectful ones, making it out to be a macabre game of sorts.


  • #190
    MysticMonk
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    optogirl wrote: »
    The two situations are not really comparable however...

    Trump being elected was a shock because of the sheer number of people who gave him their preference - it is scarier in terms of the collective community because of the rise of racism/facism & a more right wing type of politics. .

    What "rise or racism/facism" are you talking about?

    I'd love to see some examples of these Racist/Facists on the rise!


  • #191
    Grayson
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0385322_PE558444_S5.JPG
    Dude here have a lamp cause you need to lighten up. Who cares whether he saw it on Facebook or if a carrier pidgeon dropped a telegram off on his door step? It's all over every single media outlet. You're being pedantic for the sake of it

    I'm not being pedantic. I just like facts.


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  • #192
    [Deleted User]
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Her nationality shouldn't matter. But if you are going to mention it, get it right. Most reports I've seen says she's Iraqi.

    Haven't read she was Iraqi anywhere but it you demand that someone be right here's a quick Google result.

    Woman arrested over fatal stabbing of boy (3) in Dublin - The Irish Times

    www.irishtimes.com/.../woman-arrested-over-fatal-stabbing-of-boy-3-in-dublin-1.315...


    15 hours ago - Woman arrested over fatal stabbing of boy (3) in Dublin. Suspect in her early 40s ... Kimmage at around 7pm. She is understood to be Iranian.


    Boy, 3, stabbed to death in Dublin apartment; mother in 'serious ...

    www.breakingnews.ie/.../boy-3-stabbed-to-death-in-dublin-apartment-mother-in-serious...
    2 days ago - The circumstances in which a three-year-old boy was stabbed and died in ... Both are said to be Iranian and it is believed she works in a Dublin ...

    Woman arrested over fatal stabbing of toddler in Dublin - Q Radio

    www.goqradio.com/news/.../woman-arrested-over-fatal-stabbing-of-toddler-in-dublin...

    1 hour ago - Woman arrested over fatal stabbing of toddler in Dublin ... The child and woman are understood to be of Iranian decent, who have been living ...

    Garda Investigation Launched Following Fatal Stabbing Of Baby In ...

    www.clare.fm/.../garda-investigation-launched-following-fatal-stabbing-baby-dublin/


    1 day ago - Garda Investigation Launched Following Fatal Stabbing Of Baby In Dublin. 11th July 2017 ... A woman in her 40s, believed to be the kid's mother, is also in a serious condition in hospital. It's believed they were Iranian and had been living in the area for some time


  • #193
    Daniel Stale Sunset
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    It wasn't til i came to this thread that I thought about it being her. I read an article saying a woman was arrested, would have thought they'd say it was her if so. That's awful if true


  • #194
    Hannibal_Smith
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Just kind of taken aback some people seem more outraged trump was elected than a mother murdering a three year old. Calls for understanding and tolerance not to judge the murderer but if you're a trump supporter you're beyond redemption


    What kind of mind have you got, that would hear of a toddler's murder and follow a train of thought, to draw a comparison between that and the reaction to the election of Donald Trump?


  • #195
    ancapailldorcha
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    No more discussion about Trump please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #196
    Captain Obvious
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    Such a tragedy. I don't mind admitting I spent a bit of time holding my toddler after reading about this, despite his objections. It's sad that people use something like this to push their agendas on gender politics and religion. What the **** is wrong with someone that they hear about a three year old being stabbed to death and their first thought is about how she will get a lesser punishment than a man?


  • #197
    Grayson
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    Muir wrote: »
    Well in future, if you don't want to come across as pedantic, you could just ask the person "would you mind linking to a source on that?" and most people will happily do so.

    During the election in the US people on both sides were swamped by fake news articles. Nearly all on facebook. Saying "I saw an article on facebook" and assuming that it should be enough proof for anyone is silly. Saying "I saw the mirror/sun/Independant posting it on facebook is ok. Posting the article is best.

    Every day facebook is swamped by dodgy stories and click bait. Yet somehow I'm being portrayed as being finicky and pedantic because i think that "Article on facebook" shouldn't prove anything.

    In future if you want people to accept what you're saying, put a little bit more effort in.

    (edit: just saw the thing about Trump. This isn't about Trump but i did reference the election there. I won't do it again)


  • #198
    Game Face MCGee
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    poor kid, had his whole life ahead of him, illness or not you cant be going around killing innocent people. did she get treatment? had she a history of mental illness, you don't just snap like this out of the blue.. you cant use the mental illness card as a trump card to absolve people from this kind of evil. sorry liberals the bitch should hang for this


  • #199
    Silver Lynel
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Where does it say that? People keep saying that but haven't posted a link to anything.

    Her nationality shouldn't matter. But if you are going to mention it, get it right. Most reports I've seen says she's Iraqi.

    What are you on about?

    Look at your own post #176!http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104063015&postcount=176

    You've posted at 12:40 that she was understood to be Iranian and then 8 minutes later you are giving out because people aren't sharing accurate information and stating that most reports you've seen said she was Iraqi.

    The report you quoted from the Irish Times said she was Iranian!

    Maybe take your own advice from post 198.

    "In future if you want people to accept what you're saying, put a little bit more effort in" - Grayson


  • #200
    Muir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Muir


    Grayson, most posters seemed to be aware of the articles I was referring to, you said we didn't know it was the mother yet and I was just letting you know that there were articles stating it, and other posters weren't just making assumptions as you implied. That's all.


    Back on topic, I walked by the apartments are few minutes ago, really upsetting.


  • #201
    Grayson
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    Silver Lynel wrote: »
    What are you on about?

    Look at your own post #176!http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104063015&postcount=176

    You've posted at 12:40 that she was understood to be Iranian and then 8 minutes later you are giving out because people aren't sharing accurate information and stating that most reports you've seen said she was Iraqi.

    The report you quoted from the Irish Times said she was Iranian!

    Maybe take your own advice from post 198.

    "In future if you want people to accept what you're saying, put a little bit more effort in" - Grayson

    I actually googled her name and it came up with a load of articles that stated she was iraqi.

    So, I'm right when I say I don't know anything and apparently neither do the papers.

    (Btw, it was the indo that said Iraqi.


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  • #202
    Silver Lynel
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    Grayson wrote: »
    I actually googled her name and it came up with a load of articles that stated she was iraqi.

    So, I'm right when I say I don't know anything and apparently neither do the papers.

    (Btw, it was the indo that said Iraqi.

    So?

    At 12:40 you posted information here that she was understood to be Iranian.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104063015&postcount=176

    At 12:48 you were giving out here because people were saying she was Iranian.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104063095&postcount=184

    You were one of the ones sharing the information that she was Iranian!

    You are even shameless enough to say to other people "if you are going to mention it, get it right".


  • #203
    Grayson
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    Silver Lynel wrote: »
    So?

    At 12:40 you posted information here that she was understood to be Iranian.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104063015&postcount=176

    At 12:48 you were giving out here because people were saying she was Iranian.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104063095&postcount=184

    You were one of the ones sharing the information that she was Iranian!

    You are even shameless enough to say to other people "if you are going to mention it, get it right".

    So for the second time on this page I'm going to say I was wrong. I won't explain why because I've already supplied the links that made me think she was Iraqi.

    Now once again...

    I WAS WRONG (That's the third time).

    If that doesn't satisfy your thirst then may I suggest taking a nice walk in the sunshine.

    (And the nuts thing is that we still don't know if she was Iraqi or Iranian since we have articles stating both).

    Edit: (I just read a bio of her in the Irish Times. they're saying Iraqi. They say she went to college in Basra.)


  • #204
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Such a tragedy. I don't mind admitting I spent a bit of time holding my toddler after reading about this, despite his objections. It's sad that people use something like this to push their agendas on gender politics and religion. What the **** is wrong with someone that they hear about a three year old being stabbed to death and their first thought is about how she will get a lesser punishment than a man?

    Well it sends out a message that you will be punished for a horrific crime.

    Would you like if somebody close to you had the guilty person given soft sentence cause they had mental problems or over gender?.

    Nobody is pushing agendas just people want the justice this poor kid who died deserves. It does not bring them back but it might help another life and might make somebody think twice.

    EVENFLOW



  • #205
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭optogirl


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well it sends out a message that you will be punished for a horrific crime.

    Would you like if somebody close to you had the guilty person given soft sentence cause they had mental problems or over gender?.

    Nobody is pushing agendas just people want the justice this poor kid who died deserves. It does not bring them back but it might help another life and might make somebody think twice.

    Where are the laws stating a sentence can be reduced based on a person's gender?


  • #206
    screamer
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Nobody is pushing agendas just people want the justice this poor kid who died deserves. It does not bring them back but it might help another life and might make somebody think twice.
    To be fair even the thought of inflicting pain on their own child should be deterrent enough for any parent. I doubt the thoughts of a lengthy jail term would make them think twice........


  • #207
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    optogirl wrote: »
    Where are the laws stating a sentence can be reduced based on a person's gender?

    There are certain countries..... but let's not bring that up here. :)


    Statistically though, in the US at least, women receive shorter sentences then men. There's one exception though and that's murder. Women convicted of murder in the US generally receive higher sentences.

    I don't know what the stats are for Ireland.

    It is good to be aware of the stats though. If there is some kind of societal inclination to give someone a higher/lower sentence based on gender than it's something that judges should be aware of so they can factor it in.


  • #208
    Glenster
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    Grayson wrote: »
    So for the second time on this page I'm going to say I was wrong. I won't explain why because I've already supplied the links that made me think she was Iraqi.

    Now once again...

    I WAS WRONG (That's the third time).

    If that doesn't satisfy your thirst then may I suggest taking a nice walk in the sunshine.

    (And the nuts thing is that we still don't know if she was Iraqi or Iranian since we have articles stating both).

    Edit: (I just read a bio of her in the Irish Times. they're saying Iraqi. They say she went to college in Basra.)

    I think people just generally get annoyed when someone says "It doesn't matter, but you're wrong." Particularly when that person doesn't know any better.

    Take it as a lesson about not treating online interaction as a competition or a points scoring exercise.


  • #209
    The_Kew_Tour
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    optogirl wrote: »
    Where are the laws stating a sentence can be reduced based on a person's gender?

    :confused::confused:

    Never said they're laws in place.

    EVENFLOW



  • #210
    Game Face MCGee
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    optogirl wrote: »
    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well it sends out a message that you will be punished for a horrific crime.

    Would you like if somebody close to you had the guilty person given soft sentence cause they had mental problems or over gender?.

    Nobody is pushing agendas just people want the justice this poor kid who died deserves. It does not bring them back but it might help another life and might make somebody think twice.

    Where are the laws stating a sentence can be reduced based on a person's gender?
    there's no law, woman just get lighter sentences than men across all crimes,
    back to topic...

    I hope this tragedy doesn't get overshadowed by the mental health lobby. the bitch will be out in a few months if they get their way, poor divel has mental health issues my ass, if you kill your own kid you not fit for society.


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  • #211
    optogirl
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    Game Face MCGee wrote: »
    there's no law, woman just get lighter sentences than men across all crimes,
    back to topic...

    I hope this tragedy doesn't get overshadowed by the mental health lobby. the bitch will be out in a few months if they get their way, poor divel has mental health issues my ass, if you kill your own kid you not fit for society.

    It's not as simple as that - sentences take mitigating factors into account although I accept that society is generally more surprised by a serious crime committed by a woman, in particular murder, because it's so much rarer. No doubt judges & juries are just as susceptible to inherent bias here.


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