Mass immigration will ruin our countryside

mossy95 · 05-07-2017 05:01PM #1

If our population increases at the rate it is now were going to have soulless commuter towns in kildare, Meath Wicklow and probably even further out as well. I really fear that our country side will be just plagued with ugly looking flats for miles.

_Brian · 05-07-2017 05:05PM

It'll be grand, relax.

ScumLord · 05-07-2017 05:07PM

mossy95 wrote: »

If our population increases at the rate it is now were going to have soulless commuter towns in kildare, Meath Wicklow and probably even further out as well. I really fear that our country side will be just plagued with ugly looking flats for miles.

Seems unlikely. I really wish we had some proper planning in this country to stop even Irish people contributing to urban sprawl, which is happening in every small town around the country, our countryside is treated like plots where everything is up from grabs to the people who can afford it.

Ireland can easily support a higher population, remember this island had a much higher population that's only starting to recover from the famine and immigration. But we need proper planning, no more one off housing and as a result no one off apartment blocks in the middle of nowhere, not that I think that would ever happen anyway.

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-07-2017 05:11PM

Cant blame them for this

Blame the gombeens we vote for

Mr. CooL ICE · 05-07-2017 05:13PM

The subject of the thread sounds like something from the daily mail headline generator.

In other news, HAS FEMINISM GIVEN YOUR PENSION CANCER?

Icepick · 05-07-2017 05:14PM

Haha

The countryside is already littered by ugly one offs.

And we need to build up anyway. If immigrarion helps with that, it's anotger positive.

_Brian · 05-07-2017 05:18PM

Icepick wrote: »

Haha

The countryside is already littered by ugly one offs.

And we need to build up anyway. If immigrarion helps with that, it's anotger positive.

My one off is perfectly nice, down a lane not visible from the road, away from the lot of ye.

Not everyone wants to live in a photocopied apartment stacked up like battery chickens listening to the guy above taking a piiss during the night. No thanks.

osarusan · 05-07-2017 05:19PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

The subject of the thread sounds like something from the daily mail headline generator.

In other news, HAS FEMINISM GIVEN YOUR PENSION CANCER?

COULD SINGLE MOTHERS GIVE THE CHURCH DIABETES?
ARE MUSLIMS SCROUNGING OFF YOUR PETS?
HAVE TEACHERS TURNED BRITISH JUSTICE GAY?

hahahahaha I love it.

ScumLord · 05-07-2017 05:22PM

_Brian wrote: »

My one off is perfectly nice, down a lane not visible from the road, away from the lot of ye.

Not everyone wants to live in a photocopied apartment stacked up like battery chickens listening to the guy above taking a piiss during the night. No thanks.

We need much higher building standards for apartments too. there's no reason why what you're describing should be happening in this day and age, there's no need for tiny apartments and there's no chance builders will do this on their own.

BrokenArrows · 05-07-2017 05:28PM

mossy95 wrote: »

If our population increases at the rate it is now were going to have soulless commuter towns in kildare, Meath Wicklow and probably even further out as well. I really fear that our country side will be just plagued with ugly looking flats for miles.

The England population density is 413 people per square kilometer. Ireland is 69.

England still has plenty of green space and countryside.

Dont worry about it.

Harry Palmr · 05-07-2017 05:29PM

Ireland probably has the worst town planning in the western world, that's the problem.

DontThankMe · 05-07-2017 05:30PM

Are you mad no one wants to live in the country side these days just look at the amount of ghost estates in the back ass of no where.

Fr_Dougal · 05-07-2017 05:31PM

ScumLord wrote: »

We need much higher building standards for apartments too. there's no reason why what you're describing should be happening in this day and age, there's no need for tiny apartments and there's no chance builders will do this on their own.

The government have relaxed legislation on apartments, minimum size has been reduced. The future is shoeboxes.

_Brian · 05-07-2017 05:34PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The government have relaxed legislation on apartments, minimum size has been reduced. The future is shoeboxes.

Great way to increase density without building up and "spoiling" tue Dublin skyline.

osarusan · 05-07-2017 05:39PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The future is shoeboxes.

I hope not. If apartments are built that a family of 4 or 5 can live in long-term, then plenty will live in them long-term.

If nothing but shoeboxes are built, then families will eventually still want to get their own house, as there's no long-term alternative.

_Brian · 05-07-2017 05:51PM

osarusan wrote: »

I hope not. If apartments are built that a family of 4 or 5 can live in long-term, then plenty will live in them long-term.

If nothing but shoeboxes are built, then families will eventually still want to get their own house, as there's no long-term alternative.

Never happen.

Developers will build stuff that sells easily and max return for space.
The prime market for apartments is couples and singles, build an apartment for a family of five and it's beyond the reach of the prime market, it would take twice the floor space of a single bed appt so need to be twice the price and somit would never sell.

Mrs OBumble · 05-07-2017 05:55PM

osarusan wrote: »

I hope not. If apartments are built that a family of 4 or 5 can live in long-term, then plenty will live in them long-term.

If nothing but shoeboxes are built, then families will eventually still want to get their own house, as there's no long-term alternative.

People with children need larger units to live in for part of their lives - while they're raising the children.

But before that and also afterwards (aging population and all) - they don't, Smaller units are just fine.

Especially for poorer people, a well designed shoebox is a good deal better than a doorway or a hostel bed.

As for the OP trying to pin the ruination of the Irish countryside on immigrants - P*SS OFF with that. Ye managed to destroy huge areas wth ridiculous mcMansions all by yourselves, no immigrant input required (except to actually do the building!).

Soulless commuter towns? You mean instead of the genuinely soul-sparse towns which most people have moved out of?

LeinsterDub · 05-07-2017 05:58PM

_Brian wrote: »

My one off is perfectly nice, down a lane not visible from the road, away from the lot of ye.

During planning appeal. A person wanting to build a one off "but Brian got his one off!" Next thing you know it's one offs for miles

_Brian · 05-07-2017 06:02PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

During planning appeal but Brian got his one off! Next thing you know it's one offs for miles

What?

Burial. · 05-07-2017 06:03PM

osarusan wrote: »

COULD SINGLE MOTHERS GIVE THE CHURCH DIABETES?
ARE MUSLIMS SCROUNGING OFF YOUR PETS?
HAVE TEACHERS TURNED BRITISH JUSTICE GAY?

hahahahaha I love it.

COULD HOODIES MAKE YOUR PETS OBESE?
WILL THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT TURN CLIFF RICHARD GAY?
HAVE GAYS HAD SEX WITH MIDDLE BRITAIN?
COULD THE E.U. INFECT YOUR PETS WITH AIDS?
COULD FOXES MAKE THE COUNTRYSIDE OBESE?

Unreal

_Brian · 05-07-2017 06:07PM

This whinging about "one off's for miles", in pre famine times the rural countryside was littered with houses, these over time fell into disrepair and most have been ploughed into the ground.
Big swing, we are returning to what was once the norm.

But I'm fed up hearing people talking about all these houses popping up and spoiling virgin countryside.

Our farm had maybe 6 famine houses, now there are two family houses, both connected to farming. Not sure how many "grates" but my great, great grandmother was born about 700meters from where my "one off" house is now.

LeinsterDub · 05-07-2017 06:08PM

_Brian wrote: »

What?

Your one off set the precedent for others

Guy:Incognito · 05-07-2017 06:08PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Cant blame them for this

Blame the gombeens we vote for

Is there a majority demanding that cities be built upwards that the government are ignoring? I doubt it's something most voters bring up with politicians. The people from the city centre probably oppose it in the majority if anything,

Ash.J.Williams · 05-07-2017 06:11PM

This thread is like the chap that rang liveline to specifically complain about halaal butchering practices, and but really had a deep rooted hatred of brown people and turned out to also be an anti immigration independent candidate :pac:

LeinsterDub · 05-07-2017 06:11PM

_Brian wrote: »

This whinging about "one off's for miles", in pre famine times the rural countryside was littered with houses, these over time fell into disrepair and most have been ploughed into the ground.
Big swing, we are returning to what was once the norm.

But I'm fed up hearing people talking about all these houses popping up and spoiling virgin countryside.

Our farm had maybe 6 famine houses, now there are two family houses, both connected to farming. Not sure how many "grates" but my great, great grandmother was born about 700meters from where my "one off" house is now.

The difference was the state wasn't required to provide any infrastructure then and people didn't have cars allowing them to bypass and effectively kill the local town.

LirW · 05-07-2017 06:11PM

Especially for poorer people, a well designed shoebox is a good deal better than a doorway or a hostel bed.

That's something I don't really understand: the average 3bed ex council house without extension has around 75 sqm. This is not that much.
If you have well-built 3 or 4 bedroom apartments with a balcony, that's grad for a family really. It's done like that everywhere and it works out quite well. The way you build it is the key. But there are plenty of people with children that are not interested in the upkeep that a house with garden.

There is honestly nothing wrong with 6 story apartment blocks containing 1 - 4 bedroom apartments in different sizes.

Skylinehead · 05-07-2017 06:12PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

The subject of the thread sounds like something from the daily mail headline generator.

In other news, HAS FEMINISM GIVEN YOUR PENSION CANCER?

I actually got ARE THE UNEMPLOYED DESTROYING OUR COUNTRYSIDE?

Close enough I guess

_Brian · 05-07-2017 06:12PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Your one off set the precedent for others

Your right.
My brother is building next to me, on our own farmland, and he also works on the farm. My previous planning assured he got his through.

Guy:Incognito · 05-07-2017 06:13PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The government have relaxed legislation on apartments, minimum size has been reduced. The future is shoeboxes.

You should see what was considered nice when I was working in one of the supposed utopias , Norway, a few years back. apartments which were glorified bedsits, the bedroom boxed off by a sliding wall. It was a wardrobe with a bed in it. You'd actually have to open in to make the sitting room big enough to use. All for about 300 grand.

ScumLord · 05-07-2017 06:17PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Especially for poorer people, a well designed shoebox is a good deal better than a doorway or a hostel bed.

I don't think there's any need for shoe box apartments in Ireland though, we don't have the density for it to be necessary. The only advantage to it now is developers selling more units. If Dublin would build up it would take a lot of pressure off sprawl and make things like transport easier to manage.

I'm very much a country boy and hate over crowded cities but some concessions need to be made to save this island from being completely overrun by humans. This island has been abused ever since we were forced to settle down into farming. Those people ruined large chunks of the land by cutting down forests and we still see the effects of that ecological disaster with our bogs today, yet we continue to make the same mistakes as those ignorant nomads who tried to turn the entire country into farmland. We still cut down trees and don't replace them, we still turn land that's unstable into housing, what's left of our wildlife is on the brink of collapse, our land is a mess because it can't handle the weather anymore because of lack of trees in highlands.

Personally I think it should be a crime to cut down a tree without a very, very good reason, I think farmland that's not used should be bought up by the state and allowed to go wild and that efforts should be made to get more land off people. Housing should be restricted to towns and cities and no one off housing in the middle of nowhere. I'd even bring in a license for farming to restrict the amount of farmers even encouraging them to move into more regimented farming regions instead of having anyone with a plot of land claiming to be a farmer and let whole regions that aren't really any good as farmland go completely wild.

It would require some real effort put into making the urban areas much better places to live in though. We're behaving very irresponsibly and making no effort to protect the land that provides for us. Ire;and is tiny, it's extremely fertile but we're pushing it beyond it's capabilities.

_Brian · 05-07-2017 06:25PM

Beyond what ??
We currently export 90% of beef produced and some similar amount of dairy Produce.

Rural housing consists only a tiny % of total land and has very little effect on food production.

Mass immigration will ruin our countryside

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