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CMOTDibbler · 03-07-2017 08:49PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Ah now the kick was dying well short of a meter. Jones might have got one or two long kicks but in general he couldnt take them. More and more so as he went on in his career

More alternative facts.

This is pathological I assume.

Former Former · 03-07-2017 08:51PM

Ah lads.

Tigerandahalf · 03-07-2017 09:00PM

So what way do people think the 3rd test will go?

A lot of uncertainty in the NZ backline now. Are the Lions improving enough to take advantage.

Be interesting to see if Gatland shakes things up again.
McGrath would be fresh plus Lawes and Henderson.

Looked at the weather forecast for Auckland on Saturday. 80% chance of rain and 15c.

irishbucsfan · 03-07-2017 09:03PM

Former Former wrote: »

Ah lads.

irishbucsfan · 03-07-2017 09:05PM

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

So what way do people think the 3rd test will go?

A lot of uncertainty in the NZ backline now. Are the Lions improving enough to take advantage.

Be interesting to see if Gatland shakes things up again.
McGrath would be fresh plus Lawes and Henderson.

Looked at the weather forecast for Auckland on Saturday. 80% chance of rain and 15c.

The Lions are definitely going to win but I don't think anyone would go so far as to call them favourites.

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 09:06PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He was still capable of making 50m kicks when he played Ireland. We couldn't possibly have a better piece of evidence to prove that.

Like I said early in the game, you do realise how difficult it is as the game goes on. If you dont I dont know what else to say

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 09:07PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

More alternative facts.

This is pathological I assume.

More living in denial, ok then

Yeah_Right · 03-07-2017 09:08PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Well da..Billy Beautiful Guillotine. That is the million dollar Q eating up NZ fans. Kiwis were not too impressed with the contributions made off the bench by TJP and Cruden. There are general nerves about the midfield.

I would say from 9 to 15: Smith, Barrett, recall for Savea vs Ioane at 11, Crotty/ALB if Crotty fit, otherwise ALB and who knows out of Fekitoa/Laumape/Goodhue, Naholo vs Dagg at 14, Dagg vs Jordie Barrett at 15.

There is genuine uncertainty about the NZ backline, even from a myriad of Kiwis fans - we'll have to wait and see.

Forwards - expect no changes, except possibly a change on the bench with Barrett dropping out for Romana/Fafita or possibly Squire if he's fit.

This is a big test for NZ, should be a close match. At least NZ has been superior in the scrum, so Poite might do his thing, we see.

Is Goodhue in the squad?

Have to say, I've never been that enamoured with Cruden. He's good but I don't get excited by the prospect of him coming on. I'd like to see McKenzie or Sopoaga on the bench covering 10.

If they're going to drop Barrett (lock) I'd prefer Fafita to Romano.

I'd love to see Julian Savea given a shot.

03-07-2017 09:21PM

irishman86 wrote: »

How often did Jones attempt long kicks, very rarely. The reason for it, is because he doesnt have the power of the ground. That kick was also taken very early in the game also taken in 2001 when he had more power, but hey lets ignore that

It's impossible to have any sort reasonable discussion when you just won't stop making things up. And not only do you do that, when you're conclusively proven wrong you try and double down. It's ridiculous.

swiwi_ · 03-07-2017 09:27PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Is Goodhue in the squad?

Yes

Have to say, I've never been that enamoured with Cruden. He's good but I don't get excited by the prospect of him coming on. I'd like to see McKenzie or Sopoaga on the bench covering 10.

McKenzie is the worst possible player for a pressure game IMO. Sopoaga quiet this season, fairly ordinary vs the Lions in Dunedin, but I wouldn't necessarily be against him on the bench.

If they're going to drop Barrett (lock) I'd prefer Fafita to Romano.

Yeah, I like what Fafita brings. Not sure he is up to playing a long game at lock if Whitelock or Retallick off the field early though. Romano, you know what you get, Lions would eat it up with eyes shut.

I'd love to see Julian Savea given a shot.You can't look past his try-scoring record. Not quite Luke Fitzgerald in terms of strike-rate but it's not "luck" that has him fast approaching Douglas Howlett's record

A draw, and both sides feeling like they kissed their sister. You heard it here first.

Burkie1203 · 03-07-2017 09:27PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Like I said early in the game, you do realise how difficult it is as the game goes on. If you dont I dont know what else to say

Well you could always do the decent thing and admit your wrong. Because you couldnt be more wrong

You claim Jones has a range of only 35-40m even though he landed a 50m kick in the same game with 7-8 to spare. Yet you still havent got the decency to admit you are wrong. Thats a lack of class and your posts are just ruining threads because very little of them have any basis in reality.

CMOTDibbler · 03-07-2017 09:35PM

irishman86 wrote: »

More living in denial, ok then

Clearly nothing to be gained from engaging you in "discussion".

molloyjh · 03-07-2017 10:22PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Clearly nothing to be gained from engaging you in "discussion".

Despite the functionality of boards, rest assured, I'm thanking this repeatedly.

Also, have a round of applause on me...

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 10:25PM

Billy Beautiful Guillotine wrote: »

It's impossible to have any sort reasonable discussion when you just won't stop making things up. And not only do you do that, when you're conclusively proven wrong you try and double down. It's ridiculous.

I could say the same about you and IBF. You clearly are fans of Gats, I most definitely am not. Its funny how you never hear Kidney get rated as a great coach when hes won more HC and a grand slam aswell.
Ive not once been proven conclusively wrong either, ye point blank ignore that kicking distance fades as the game goes on

ThisRegard · 03-07-2017 10:26PM

irishman86 wrote: »

as soon as Jones took that kick everyone knew he wouldnt make it.

POC didn't.

(Edit, I see I'm not the first to point that out)

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 10:27PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Well you could always do the decent thing and admit your wrong. Because you couldnt be more wrong

You claim Jones has a range of only 35-40m even though he landed a 50m kick in the same game with 7-8 to spare. Yet you still havent got the decency to admit you are wrong. Thats a lack of class and your posts are just ruining threads because very little of them have any basis in reality.

Why would I admit Im wrong, I dont believe I am. I feel the love in for Gats is ruining the thread, see where we differ on this

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 10:32PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

POC didn't.

(Edit, I see I'm not the first to point that out)

Im sure every player thought he would make it, thats exactly the feeling you would have during a game.
Im sure some thought Messi would rifle the free kick into the top corner against Germany in the final of the world cup.
Off course he was going to think it, its the last kick in a grand slam game ffs

ThisRegard · 03-07-2017 10:36PM

irishman86 wrote: »

Im sure every player thought he would make it, thats exactly the feeling you would have during a game.
Im sure some thought Messi would rifle the free kick into the top corner against Germany in the final of the world cup.
Off course he was going to think it, its the last kick in a grand slam game ffs

But you said everybody knew he'd miss? Players are people too.

I clearly remember thinking the game was gone too when he stepped up. I'm sure TV commentary teams did also based on the tone of their commentary, and it would be interesting to read back the match thread.

When the ball is in the air it's pretty much hindsight at that point saying he'll miss or score.

irishbucsfan · 03-07-2017 10:40PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

But you said everybody knew he'd miss? Players are people too.

I clearly remember thinking the game was gone too when he stepped up. I'm sure TV commentary teams did also based on the tone of their commentary, and it would be interesting to read back the match thread.

Lets be honest, we were all in the pub and none of us knew for sure it had fallen short until we'd watched the ARs for at least 5 seconds. Even after Murphy (I think it was him) kicked it out.

Burkie1203 · 03-07-2017 10:41PM

irishman86 wrote: »

I could say the same about you and IBF. You clearly are fans of Gats, I most definitely am not. Its funny how you never hear Kidney get rated as a great coach when hes won more HC and a grand slam aswell.
Ive not once been proven conclusively wrong either, ye point blank ignore that kicking distance fades as the game goes on

RoG knocked one over from 48m v Leicester on 80 minutes about 10 years ago on a mudbath Welford road pitch.

There has been several other long distance efforts in the closing minutes of games which have been successful. So your assertion about distance fading is just a made up pile of sh1te. It has been disproved but you continue to be blind to the real world

Kidney won two HC and a slam. Gatland has 2 slams and a 3rd 6n. He also has 1 HC as well as Three premierships, a challenge cup and a pretty respectable Lions test record.

Gatland has had a far greater coaching career then Kidney when it comes to silverware.

You dont have to like the man to be able to acknowledgeand respect his record as a coach.

ThisRegard · 03-07-2017 10:43PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Lets be honest, we were all in the pub and none of us knew for sure it had fallen short until we'd watched the ARs for at least 5 seconds. Even after Murphy (I think it was him) kicked it out.

Yip, I was sure it just crept over, took me a bit to realise it just dropped short,. mostly based on players reactions and the kick to touch.

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 10:44PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

But you said everybody knew he'd miss? Players are people too.

I clearly remember thinking the game was gone too when he stepped up. I'm sure TV commentary teams did also based on the tone of their commentary, and it would be interesting to read back the match thread.

When the ball is in the air it's pretty much hindsight at that point saying he'll miss or score.

Ill rephrase people watching it should have known that Jones would have not had the distance. I never count the players in the game for reasons listed.
You thought it, I watched the game with ten lads we all clapped when we seen it was Jones

Former Former · 03-07-2017 10:45PM

So Stephen Jones should be given the goal kicking duties this week?

ThisRegard · 03-07-2017 10:46PM

irishman86 wrote: »

I watched the game with ten lads we all clapped when we seen it was Jones

You didn't.

ThisRegard · 03-07-2017 10:47PM

Former Former wrote: »

So Stephen Jones should be given the goal kicking duties this week?

Nope, clearly it has to be Henson.

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 10:48PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

RoG knocked one over from 48m v Leicester on 80 minutes about 10 years ago on a mudbath Welford road pitch.

There has been several other long distance efforts in the closing minutes of games which have been successful. So your assertion about distance fading is just a made up pile of sh1te. It has been disproved but you continue to be blind to the real world

Kidney won two HC and a slam. Gatland has 2 slams and a 3rd 6n. He also has 1 HC as well as Three premierships, a challenge cup and a pretty respectable Lions test record.

Gatland has had a far greater coaching career then Kidney when it comes to silverware.

You dont have to like the man to be able to acknowledgeand respect his record as a coach.

ROG had a bigger boot than Jones and honestly I woudlnt back any kicker at that time in the game for distance outside a select few, unless its in South Africa
My kicking thing is anything but, do you understand how fatigue works?? Have you played rugby by any chance, more specifically 10
I respect his record as a coach in the same way I respect Kidneys, if I was picking a coach for a team neither would get the job

awec · 03-07-2017 10:49PM

I've read enough of this. I don't even know what the subject is but it's fairly mind numbing anyway. Can we move on back to the Lions please, and not talk about ROG (what?) or how much you like or dislike Warren Gatland.

irishman86 · 03-07-2017 10:49PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

You didn't.

Withdrawn

Burkie1203 · 03-07-2017 10:57PM

irishman86 wrote: »

ROG had a bigger boot than Jones and honestly I woudlnt back any kicker at that time in the game for distance outside a select few, unless its in South Africa
My kicking thing is anything but, do you understand how fatigue works?? Have you played rugby by any chance, more specifically 10
I respect his record as a coach in the same way I respect Kidneys, if I was picking a coach for a team neither would get the job

So RoG had a bigger boot then a guy who landed kicks from the same distance. Thats one heck of a lie.

I have played rugby and Gaelic football. I do understand how fatigue workd. But that proves nothing about your rambling nonsense. Ypu have been given cold hard facts yet you cannot come up with a fact based counter argument. Youtube is full of example of long range last minute kicks which succedd

Thankfully your not picking the team and nobody would ever be daft enough to ask you either.

degsie · 03-07-2017 11:05PM

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