Did anybody here attend the Rally For Life/repeal the 8th marches in Dublin?

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So they couldn't raise the funds to fly to England but could raise the funds to raise a child?

Not making a pronouncements on abortion here. Export is not a solution.

Ann_Landers wrote: »

Huh? I thought his post was two separate comments to two separate posters, you and gctest50. The second part was a warning to gctest50.

That poster seems to be confused by it is all

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I need to report a moderator for accusing me of having multiple accounts which I do not. He openly accused me so in a forum. I am humiliated and angry by these accusations. I think some other user is trying to get it me because of my views on certain subjects.

But im not mod banned or carded. Where do I got to make a formal grievance or complaint about this moderstor.

Thanks.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I heard a good bit about these online at the weekend. Did anybody on Boards attend either of these?
I think it was official the Rally for Life and the counter march was organised by the repeal side. I know in my local town their was a bus organised by the Rally for Life group. According to the net their was meant to have be a good turn out for the Rally for Life protest. This was discredited by repeal the 8th side but either side always tend to think they've a massive group and the other side is smaller.
From social media it appears to the same people commenting from both sides all the time in my experience with the typical comments getting all the likes. Outside of the internet/news articles I have never really heard many people on about it to be honest.
It will be a very interesting to see how a vote on this will go in my opinion it will all depend on what people are voting for. One thing I have noticed is repeal votes seem to be alienating the on the fence voters more so than the pro-life campaign.

For what it's worth, I was at the counter-demonstration, which was modest and gathered around the spire, and my impression was that it was a relatively large march (though nowhere near the 70K I've seen quoted) but reduced from previous years (when I was also at counter-demonstrations). Though, we thought that there seemed to be less obviously 'shipped in' American groups which might account for that.

For the most part, the group was older and, I thought, predominately male - though there was a good smattering of younger and female people there - a good number of the younger group were on buses and floats, maybe to make them more visible, but it actually made the crowd look more male dominated than it probably was.

Overall, the atmosphere was tense when the group reached the counter protest, which is understandable. The chant as they passed us was mostly one person shouting 'Pro' loudly and the group responding 'Life' (we joined in with the response of 'Choice'.)

The majority of people were carrying balloons and save the 8th signs, and there were very few homemade placards. There was a notable lack of the usual images of foetuses etc - we thought a definite effort had been made to move away from those. We saw some carrying religious statues and signs but these were in the minority too.

Some groups had white sheets with messages written on them, these were hard to read but someone in the counter demonstration read something that prompted them to shout 'Your bedsheets need references' which did get a laugh.

Overall, most people looked ahead and avoided eye contact with the counter demonstration, who mostly were chanting a mixture of 'Pro-Choice', 'Not the church, not the state, women must control their fate' and 'Pro-life, that's a lie, you don't care if women die'.

Some who engaged with the counter demonstration did so by simply making eye contact and saying the current slogan, or by saying 'Shame' (a response also being used by the counter-demonstration).

There were one or two marchers that I saw interact aggressively with the counter-demonstration, one woman in particular was moved away by the Garda when she tried to pull one of the counter-demonstrators into the march, but it was pretty low-level stuff, I didn't see anything similar from the counterside from my vantage point, but can't speak for further down the road. Some angry shouting from individuals on both sides, but the garda kept everyone moving so it didn't escalate much.

And that was it, I dunno, we walked away with the feeling that the pro-life/ anti-abortion side is losing momentum, maybe that was wishful thinking.

My impression, the whole thing was pretty uncontroversial in terms of the march and counter-demonstration interactions, much the same as usual with broadly good behaviour on both sides (bar the occasional idiot.)

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I think most people with a realistic moral compass wouldn't dream of forcing someone through pregnancy, childbirth and rearing an unwanted child against their will.

Sounds infinitely more cruel and traumatic in my opinion.

Maybe she should look after herself properly and not get into a situation where the outcome is an unwanted baby. Wiping yourself of any responsibility by having an abortion as the final outcome because you simply didnt plan to get pregnant is not the sign of someone with a strong morale compass, rather the opposite.

Fine. Take out the word religious then, it still stands.

RobertKK wrote: »

One can support abortion if they believe that when they look back on their own life and when they were conceived, that it would have been better if they had not been allowed to be born.
Everyone comes from an existence in the womb, it is a bigger issue than just a woman's choice.

One has to be comfortable in believing that other lives in the wombs of their mothers should not be given the same chance that oneself was given and allowed to experience.

not this dumb argument again. seriously.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not this dumb argument again. seriously.

Just look at your own reply, you have not even debated the point.

It is an uncomfortable truth that I posted.

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So you believe in inequality for life in the womb, where some are allowed to live and others lives get killed in the womb.
You see your own life as being above the other lives taken through abortion?

Just curious.

RobertKK wrote: »

So you believe in inequality for life in the womb,

At 6 weeks it's barely more sentient than a skin tag.

Lollipops23 wrote: »

And when contraceptive fails? Or if she makes a one-off bad decision, as most of us have done at some stage, she should be penalised for life?

And then there's the cases involving rape, or abusive relationships? That's her "getting herself into the situation?

It must be lovely in your world, where you've never made a mistake or have anything beyond your control happen to you....

There is loads of time before a baby matures in the womb to deal with the the "excuses" you have put forth.

Dont jump down my throat about rape cases when you clearly have no idea of my opinion on the matter. I am for abortion in very limited circumstances, such as rape.

yes people do make mistakes but are far to quick to go for the easy, get out of jail, option, as opposed to standing up and dealing with their "mistakes" You sound like the easy option type of person, who continues to make the same mistake one after the other as you fail to learn.

Syphonax wrote: »

Dont jump down my throat about rape cases when you clearly have no idea of my opinion on the matter. I am for abortion in very limited circumstances, such as rape.

How come it's murder if I feel unable to feed and raise a child, but not murder if the child's father forces himself on me? What's the line for you?