Did anybody here attend the Rally For Life/repeal the 8th marches in Dublin?

Maximus Alexander · 03-07-2017 03:32PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Maybe look at it this way :

If a woman books time off, a ferry ticket and a clinic abroad - she's going

If it was freely available here I would reckon it may in some cases be more like " ah sure i can go get an abortion at any time" and then gradually come around to the idea " ah it wouldn't be so bad "

TLDR : us humans are funny creatures at the best of times

I find it fairly hard to believe that the sunk costs of a ferry ticket would factor heavily in a woman's decision on whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.

Syphonax · 03-07-2017 03:37PM

No didnt go, I vote my conscience when and if the time comes. Why does everything now need a march or parade?

freshpopcorn · 03-07-2017 03:39PM

super_furry wrote: »

For me, the whole thing can be summed up in one image.

This picture did it rounds.
Pro-life approach: Look at the old man standing up for the babies. I've never heard of a woman who regretted he baby.
Repeal: Look at the old man he can't carry a baby. My body my choice.

The_Valeyard · 03-07-2017 03:40PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

There's no insults there. Stop playing the victim.

Don't accuse posters of being reregs.

I will follow this up in the proper forums. Thanks. I'm not aware of what you are in about.

They are not my account and you bringing this up is quite damaging.

gctest50 · 03-07-2017 03:49PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I find it fairly hard to believe that the sunk costs of a ferry ticket would factor heavily in a woman's decision on whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.

It's not the sunk costs i was ranting on about, it was more the definite : booking the time off etc etc

freshpopcorn · 03-07-2017 03:57PM

Does anybody know why people on the repeal campaign get very annoyed with men being involved in the pro-life campaign but it's okay for men to be involved with the repeal campaign?

B.A._Baracus · 03-07-2017 04:01PM

Syphonax wrote: »

No didnt go, I vote my conscience when and if the time comes. Why does everything now need a march or parade?

I know.
Everything needs a march these days.
It's like keeping up with the Jones or some sh*t. Because others have marches it then makes others want to arrange one too.

RayM · 03-07-2017 04:03PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Does anybody know why people on the repeal campaign get very annoyed with men being involved in the pro-life campaign but it's okay for men to be involved with the repeal campaign?

I suppose they don't like men telling them what to do with their own bodies. You're right though - they don't seem to have a problem with men not telling them what to do with their own bodies. Funny, that.

Ann_Landers · 03-07-2017 04:03PM

ash23 wrote: »

I saw a local woman on the news at the rally.
She was the same woman who showed me a rental property a few years back. She was mad keen on me when I scheduled the viewing. I was working and had great references.
When I was viewing the house she asked me who would be living there. Partner? Room mates?
I said just me and the little one.

"Oh, no partner? Just you?"
"Yes and my child"
"But how will you pay the rent? I don't take rent allowance"
"That's ok, I'm not on rent allowance. I work full time and have been renting a more expensive place for the last three years so the rent won't be a problem"
"Oh I'm not sure about renting to a single mother. The neighbours are very quiet and wouldn't want any trouble"

Anyway, conversation went on like that for a bit until I told her to stick it.

So she's all for the women keeping the tiny babies but then her and her ilk will look down their noses at the women and the babies if they're not in the perceived ideal situation.

Pro-life until the child is born in my opinion and my experience.

Or the chap I was seeing who ended it because his pro-life parents didn't approve of him seeing a single mother. So if I'd had an abortion I'd have been welcome because they'd have known no different. But the evidence of me not having an abortion meant I wasn't good enough for their son. I was well rid of him, the big girls blouse, but that stuck in my craw.

I'm so sorry, ash. I'm going to be crude here but the old-fashioned attitudes so many still have towards single mothers sickens my hole. I have a friend who is a single mother from her early 20s. An incredibly industrious, hard-working mother. Within a few years of her son being born, she had completely paid off a house for them to live in. That's right, mortgage-free in a few years through her own hard work. During her pregnancy, various health care workers kept asking her if she was going to put her son up for adoption and some suggested it would be the best thing. Couldn't have that child not having a father! And it's stupid because his father is in his life. He sees him regularly. My friend and the father are on excellent terms. (It was a slip up during their brief relationship) But they are not a nuclear family. *clutches pearls*

njs030 · 03-07-2017 04:06PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'm in favour of both life and choices, so the labels in this campaign leave me really confused.

I find the pro life label quite confusing too. The reality is it means pro forced birth and anti-choice but that's not quite as catchy.

Pro-life should mean pro all lives yet they have no interest in the life of the pregnant woman or how she is affected - strapping her down and forcefeeding her to continue an unwanted pregnancy is OK with them.
They also seem uninterested in what happens after the birth of this unwanted child or it's "life" after its first breath.
There's very little support for childcare to help a single parent back to work in this country and I'd wonder how many of the "anti-choice" are also anti single mother, don't live on welfare type too.

Its all a bit damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Let's remember too the 8th amendment isn't just about abortion, it's also about maternal care during pregnancy.

ohnonotgmail · 03-07-2017 04:06PM

RayM wrote: »

I suppose they don't like men telling them what to do with their own bodies. You're right though - they don't seem to have a problem with men not telling them what to do with their own bodies. Funny, that.

why would anybody have a problem with somebody telling them that they should be free to make their own choices?

Lollipops23 · 03-07-2017 04:08PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I find it fairly hard to believe that the sunk costs of a ferry ticket would factor heavily in a woman's decision on whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.

Actually my OH's mam didn't have a termination of her pregnancy with him as she couldn't raise the funds in time. She was 16 at the time.

Obviously I'm pretty glad she didn't, but if she had it would have been entirely her choice and I respect that.

She was extremely lucky to have an incredible support system in her family, but she could just as easily had zero support and even no home had she had different parents.

RayM · 03-07-2017 04:09PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would anybody have a problem with somebody telling that they should be free to make their own choices?

I know, right?

hidinginthebush · 03-07-2017 04:12PM

511 wrote: »

Correction: Africa and Asia are overpopulated. Europe needs higher birthrates.

If only we could encourage people to move from Africa to Europe, we'd welcome them with open arms.

ohnonotgmail · 03-07-2017 04:12PM

free to make whatever choices they like. Again, why would anybody have a problem with being told that?

freshpopcorn · 03-07-2017 04:13PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Actually my OH's mam didn't have a termination of her pregnancy with him as she couldn't raise the funds in time. She was 16 at the time.

Obviously I'm pretty glad she didn't, but if she had it would have been entirely her choice and I respect that.

She was extremely lucky to have an incredible support system in her family, but she could just as easily had zero support and even no home had she had different parents.

If you told this to a person involved in the Pro=life campaign. They'd might ask you. Did she ever having him? If she said No, their response would be wasn't she luck then she didn't have easy access to abortion in Ireland.

whisky_galore · 03-07-2017 04:13PM

Syphonax wrote: »

No didnt go, I vote my conscience when and if the time comes. Why does everything now need a march or parade?

Because it's a day out for everyone, you can 'make and do' with placards and markers. And have a nice latte with your buddies when you're done.

suicide_circus · 03-07-2017 04:15PM

I wonder how many women decide not to get an abortion because

a) the cost and effort of getting over to the UK

b) it's illegality

I'm guessing very few

Lollipops23 · 03-07-2017 04:17PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

If you told this to a person involved in the Pro=life campaign. They'd might ask you. Did she ever having him? If she said No, their response would be wasn't she luck then she didn't have easy access to abortion in Ireland.

She'd always say no, she doesn't regret it for a moment, but she is tough as old boots and was well able for the shaming that came with being a (teenage) single mam in the 80s. Many wouldn't be able for it.

I certainly would never judge her if she'd managed to get the 50 extra quid together and made it to Liverpool (as per her plan). Her life would have been a million times easier, as would her parents'.

ohnonotgmail · 03-07-2017 04:19PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I wonder how many women decide not to get an abortion because

a) the cost and effort of getting over to the UK

b) it's illegality

I'm guessing very few

what are you basing this opinion on? Is there a number of women prevented from getting the abortion they want that is acceptable to you?

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Ann_Landers · 03-07-2017 04:23PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think it's very simple... the option should be there for those who want/need an abortion to have one legally and safely, without the additional trauma and expense of having to travel to the UK for it.

That's the most sensible option given that latter alternative isn't going away, no matter what is decided here. It's also not going to lead to a flood of abortions. Such a decision is something that I doubt anyone in that position makes lightly or doesn't agonize over afterwards (maybe for the rest of their lives).

Anything else is agenda-driven emotional blackmail by those who have no business interfering in that individual's choice and who certainly won't be living with the consequences (either way).

What bothers me though is that the people who often need it the most might find it the hardest to get over the UK. Teenagers, for example. Can't exactly breezily tell your folks at 15 that you're going off to the UK for a few days. Or women of very low income. Even renewing or getting a passport is fair ol' lump of cash to come up with.

ohnonotgmail · 03-07-2017 04:25PM

well clearly that isnt true as the recent citizens assembly has shown.

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super_furry · 03-07-2017 04:27PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Does anybody know why people on the repeal campaign get very annoyed with men being involved in the pro-life campaign but it's okay for men to be involved with the repeal campaign?

You can't see why people might have a problem with being told how they should deal with a medical issue by someone who will never, ever face that issue?

Lollipops23 · 03-07-2017 04:27PM

I think most people with a realistic moral compass wouldn't dream of forcing someone through pregnancy, childbirth and rearing an unwanted child against their will.

Sounds infinitely more cruel and traumatic in my opinion.

PhoenixParker · 03-07-2017 04:30PM

And I would think that most people with a good set of morals would object to forcing a woman to allow a parasite to take over her body for nine months and undergo the hardship pregnancy often entails.

Everyday real people die because as a society we allow everyone bodily autonomy and don't forcibly harvest the kidneys, bone marrow and blood that could save lives. There is no reason to accord an unborn child greater rights then the living.

gctest50 · 03-07-2017 04:30PM

Ann_Landers wrote: »

What bothers me though is that the people who often need it the most might find it the hardest to get over the UK. Teenagers, for example. Can't exactly breezily tell your folks at 15 that you're going off to the UK for a few days. Or women of very low income. Even renewing or getting a passport is fair ol' lump of cash to come up with.

It's like a throwback to the days of Tuam and the baby-supply trade

Ann_Landers wrote: »

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Teenagers for example., ..........women of very low income. .......

would have been the most likely source for their filthy little baby-selling racket

Perhaps it's still going on ?

A few of the girls going on a " J1", going working abroad for a bit ?

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Ann_Landers · 03-07-2017 04:38PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I find it fairly hard to believe that the sunk costs of a ferry ticket would factor heavily in a woman's decision on whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.

It's not about the costs, more if she doesn't take that ferry trip, will she have time to organise another trip before it's too late? So it's more about time and opportunity. Here, you could spend more time thinking about it and, as said, maybe come around to the idea of being pregnant whereas you might propel yourself towards the UK out of panic over time running out and not think it through properly.

freshpopcorn · 03-07-2017 04:39PM

super_furry wrote: »

You can't see why people might have a problem with being told how they should deal with an medical issue by someone who will never, ever face that issue?

Well obvious I can but if they don't want men involved in the campaign because it's a woman choice they shouldn't have men involved in the campaign themselves. They should lead by example.

Did anybody here attend the Rally For Life/repeal the 8th marches in Dublin?

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