Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Ceist_Beag · 03-07-2017 09:07AM

Will it be a double header in Semple? It's possibly the toughest draw but time to step up now. As others said, Lester and Kevin Kelly need to start the next day. Full forward line needs a huge improvement from Saturday.

phkk · 03-07-2017 09:10AM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

Will it be a double header in Semple? It's possibly the toughest draw but time to step up now. As others said, Lester and Kevin Kelly need to start the next day. Full forward line needs a huge improvement from Saturday.

Yeah, looking like double header in Thurles. That would be great, hopefully get two good games there. Kelly definitely should start the next day, made huge difference when he came on. Lester/Deegan is a 50/50 call I'd say

JimTreacy · 03-07-2017 09:23AM

Will the match be played Saturday pm or sunday.

Brian017 · 03-07-2017 09:26AM

JimTreacy wrote: »

Will the match be played Saturday pm or sunday.

Saturday at 7 cause Sky have 1st pick and they're surely going to pick that game; that's when their slot is

washman3 · 03-07-2017 09:48AM

No way should Dublin agree to play Tipp in Thurles.
Be very surprised if Cunningham does.
Tipp refused point blank to concede home advantage to Westmeath on Saturday.
So much for promoting the game.

road_high · 03-07-2017 10:28AM

washman3 wrote: »

No way should Dublin agree to play Tipp in Thurles.
Be very surprised if Cunningham does.
Tipp refused point blank to concede home advantage to Westmeath on Saturday.
So much for promoting the game.

Should be in Portlaoise or Kilkenny? I agree, they shouldn't

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 10:33AM

washman3 wrote: »

No way should Dublin agree to play Tipp in Thurles.
Be very surprised if Cunningham does.
Tipp refused point blank to concede home advantage to Westmeath on Saturday.
So much for promoting the game.

I don't understand your argument. If you are genuinely concerned with promoting the game then surely a double-header is the way to go rather than having Dublin-Tipp tucked away in Portlaoise or somewhere?

If your argument is more about conceding perceived venue advantage from the point of view of maximising Dublin's chances that's fair enough, but you don't say so and your argument is couched in 'promoting the game' terms and that moves the goalposts significantly. The whole business would have a far higher profile if a double-header.

road_high · 03-07-2017 10:36AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

I don't understand your argument. If you are genuinely concerned with promoting the game then surely a double-header is the way to go rather than having Dublin-Tipp tucked away in Portlaoise or somewhere?

If your argument is more about conceding perceived venue advantage from the point of view of maximising Dublin's chances that's fair enough, but you don't say so and your argument is couched in 'promoting the game' terms and that moves the goalposts significantly. The whole business would have a far higher profile if a double-header.

And why would a double header promote the game vs 2 separate ones? Of course tipp shouldn't be handed home advantage- this is knock out, do or die so every team needs to use every advantage at their disposal, including venues.

greenspurs · 03-07-2017 10:38AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

I don't understand your argument. If you are genuinely concerned with promoting the game then surely a double-header is the way to go rather than having Dublin-Tipp tucked away in Portlaoise or somewhere?

If your argument is more about conceding perceived venue advantage from the point of view of maximising Dublin's chances that's fair enough, but you don't say so and your argument is couched in 'promoting the game' terms and that moves the goalposts significantly. The whole business would have a far higher profile if a double-header.

I read it as he meant that the Tipp match should have been in Westmeath ?
Therefore promoting the game in Westmeath ?

blue note · 03-07-2017 10:41AM

I'd assume a double header is what they'll go for. Thurles would be the best location for Waterford vs KK. If I was a dub I wouldn't want it played there. Limerick is the most suitable available venue for a double header. No-one wants to go there, but I imagine it'll either be there or the Dubs will be convinced to concede home advantage and it'll be in Thurles. In fairness, if there's one county that can't complain at having to play at someone else's home ground it's Dublin.

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 10:45AM

road_high wrote: »

1)And why would a double header promote the game vs 2 separate ones?

2)Of course tipp shouldn't be handed home advantage- this is knock out, do or die so every team needs to use every advantage at their disposal, including venues.

1) Far more people would get to see the game. All journalists and broadcasters would be at both games. A bigger crowd would be tempted to go as there would be two games. It's obvious enough I think.

2) That's a separate argument and not what I raised in my post at all.

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 10:49AM

greenspurs wrote: »

I read it as he meant that the Tipp match should have been in Westmeath ?
Therefore promoting the game in Westmeath ?

Yeah, that's clearly what he meant. I have no problem with that. But an extension of that argument would surely be what'd be wrong with promoting the game more generally and making it easier and more suitable for as many as possible to attend irrespective of the match involved?

road_high · 03-07-2017 10:52AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

1) Far more people would get to see the game. All journalists and broadcasters would be at both games. A bigger crowd would be tempted to go as there would be two games. It's obvious enough I think.

2) That's a separate argument and not what I raised in my post at all.

Do you think Dublin or indeed Tipp care less about the game being promoted at this particular stage- they want to win and will want to use each and every advantage they can. Handing Tipp home advantage wouldn't be one I'd be conceding if I were Dublin.

greenspurs · 03-07-2017 10:53AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Yeah, that's clearly what he meant. I have no problem with that. But an extension of that argument would surely be what'd be wrong with promoting the game more generally and making it easier and more suitable for as many as possible to attend irrespective of the match involved?

In fairness , not many 'floating' Westmeath supporters would travel to see their hurlers get well beaten, but if the game was at home, they probably would go along..... ?

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 10:58AM

road_high wrote: »

Do you think Dublin or indeed Tipp care less about the game being promoted at this particular stage- they want to win and will want to use each and every advantage they can. Handing Tipp home advantage wouldn't be one I'd be conceding if I were Dublin.

No, but then again I didn't reply to Dublin or Tipp. I replied to a poster who was talking about promoting the game in one situation but seemed not so keen in another. What Dublin or Tipp think is irrelevant.

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 11:05AM

greenspurs wrote: »

In fairness , not many 'floating' Westmeath supporters would travel to see their hurlers get well beaten, but if the game was at home, they probably would go along..... ?

Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't get carried away about it though.

Here are some recent attendances for the Westmeath hurlers against similar opposition:

At home:

2015 v Limerick – 2,700
2015 v Wexford – 4,000
2016 v Galway – 5,623

Away:

2017 v Tipperary – 6,893

C__MC · 03-07-2017 11:26AM

Why not play Tipp Dublin as a curtain raiser to Cavan Tipp in the football next Saturday?

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 11:38AM

C__MC wrote: »

Why not play Tipp Dublin as a curtain raiser to Cavan Tipp in the football next Saturday?

Why not indeed?

WhatsGoingOn2 · 03-07-2017 11:43AM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't get carried away about it though.

Here are some recent attendances for the Westmeath hurlers against similar opposition:

At home:

2015 v Limerick – 2,700
2015 v Wexford – 4,000
2016 v Galway – 5,623

Away:

2017 v Tipperary – 6,893

The vast majority of the 6,893 in Thurles yesterday would have been from Tipp. Whereas the majority of the crowd in Mullingar would have been from Westmeath.
There are a lot of passionate hurling people in Westmeath, anything that can be done to promote the game there should be encouraged.

greenspurs · 03-07-2017 11:50AM

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

The vast majority of the 6,893 in Thurles yesterday would have been from Tipp. Whereas the majority of the crowd in Mullingar would have been from Westmeath.
There are a lot of passionate hurling people in Westmeath, anything that can be done to promote the game there should be encouraged.

That was the point i was making ...
Attendances can be misleading, if all the facts and factors arent mentioned.

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 11:53AM

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

The vast majority of the 6,893 in Thurles yesterday would have been from Tipp. Whereas the majority of the crowd in Mullingar would have been from Westmeath.
There are a lot of passionate hurling people in Westmeath, anything that can be done to promote the game there should be encouraged.

I'm not saying that the game shouldn't be promoted. I'm just saying that less people would probably have seen the game in Mullingar. Presumably the 'passionate' people would have travelled to Thurles anyway, and probably enjoyed the experience of playing at that venue.

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 11:58AM

greenspurs wrote: »

That was the point i was making ...
Attendances can be misleading, if all the facts and factors arent mentioned.

What facts and factors? Of course proximity to the venue encourages people to attend. That's not exactly a mysterious factor we need to unveil. Less people would have seen the game in Mullingar simply because the following for the sport in that county is miniscule (half the crowd would probably have been Dublin-based Tipperary people). By all means promote the game by choosing specific venues of need be but let's not get carried away about the numbers who missed out in this case.

greenspurs · 03-07-2017 12:05PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

What facts and factors? Of course proximity to the venue encourages people to attend. That's not exactly a mysterious factor we need to unveil. Less people would have seen the game in Mullingar simply because the following for the sport in that county is miniscule (half the crowd would probably have been Dublin-based Tipperary people). By all means promote the game by choosing specific venues of need be but let's not get carried away about the numbers who missed out in this case.

Factors -
What teams are playing.
Championship or League
Saturday afternoon or evening throw in
Sunday afternoon or evening throw in.
Would they all not have a bearing on attendance ?

Facts-
A match against Tipp in Mullingar would entice more people from around Mullingar and Westmeath to go to it, than the same fixture would in Thurles..

citykat · 03-07-2017 12:07PM

Is this the Kilkenny thread?

greenspurs · 03-07-2017 12:09PM

citykat wrote: »

Is this the Kilkenny thread?

It was until the lad got a bit uptight about Mullingar !!

Will it be 0-0 to 0-0 against Waterford.....

Unless one of us gets a free close to goals ....:p:D

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 12:15PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Factors -
What teams are playing.
Championship or League
Saturday afternoon or evening throw in
Sunday afternoon or evening throw in.
Would they all not have a bearing on attendance ?

Facts-
A match against Tipp in Mullingar would entice more people from around Mullingar and Westmeath to go to it, than the same fixture would in Thurles..

Why use the plural facts and then just provide one?

Fact 2: the attendance in Thurles was bigger than it would have been in Mullingar.

To be honest, it just looks like Kilkenny people are pissed off that Tipperary got a home draw and are bother by the possibility that they might have a home quarter-final. The promoting the game thing is grand in theory but like I said the small crowds that have shown up in Mullingar show it to be exaggerated.

JJs Left Hand · 03-07-2017 12:21PM

I'm going to let you in on a little secret lad - none of us give a **** where you played Westmeath and none of us give a **** where you play Dublin. You're irrelevant in the context of our season at the minute. We can't play you until an All Ireland final which we don't look like making so can the 2 of ye kindly park this ridiculous conversation.

greenspurs · 03-07-2017 12:21PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Why use the plural facts and then just provide one?

Fact 2: the attendance in Thurles was bigger than it would have been in Mullingar.

To be honest, it just looks like Kilkenny people are pissed off that Tipperary got a home draw and are bother by the possibility that they might have a home quarter-final. The promoting the game thing is grand in theory but like I said the small crowds that have shown up in Mullingar show it to be exaggerated.

So youre not from Kilkenny?? :eek:
Youre just 'having a look'..... :rolleyes: I should have known !!!!!

p.s - kilkenny people dont give a monkeys where Tipp play their games....
Going by their players, they prefer to "play away" at the moment

:D

Powerhouse · 03-07-2017 12:23PM

greenspurs wrote: »

That was the point i was making ...
Attendances can be misleading, if all the facts and factors arent mentioned.

This is very silly. You really didn't need to mention stuff like it matters whether it's League or championship. That goes without saying. (And I'm the one that's uptight'!) All games I mentioned were either qualifiers or a Leinster quarter-final against comparable opposition so bear direct comparison.

greenspurs · 03-07-2017 12:25PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

This is very silly. You really didn't need to mention stuff like it matters whether it's League or championship. That goes without saying. (And I'm the one that's uptight'!) All games I mentioned were either qualifiers or a Leinster quarter-final against comparable opposition so bear direct comparison.

Are you still here?

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