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Illegal number plates

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  • #32
    pa990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭pa990


    Back in 87, when the new plate format was introduced, there was no blue band, and the county in irish wasn't displayed.

    That particular woman, and her complaining/campaigning caused for the introduction if the irish county name being Introduced in 1990.


  • #33
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    pa990 wrote: »
    Back in 87, when the new plate format was introduced, there was no blue band, and the county in irish wasn't displayed.

    That particular woman, and her complaining/campaigning caused for the introduction if the irish county name being Introduced in 1990.

    So she has previous for this?


  • #34
    pa990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭pa990


    KC161 wrote: »
    She might take a case to the European courts and fight it (in Irish) :pac:

    You laugh now ... but ... this won't be the end of it.


    ( I don't have the county in irish on my plate, and never had an issue with nct, same with last two cars)

    KC161 wrote: »
    So she has previous for this?

    Yeah.. Don't ask me for a link. It was pre internet days.


  • #35
    Indricotherium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    TallGlass wrote: »
    A number plate shouldn't be a fail. It should be an adviser. How can a number plate affect the safety of the car? Isn't this what this test is about.
    .

    The country code on the plate is obviously less important here than say Belgium where you might pass through three countries on your way to work.

    But imagine how difficult it would be for law enforcement on the continent if people decided they would just put whatever they felt like on the plate.


  • #36
    Silvera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,031 ✭✭✭Silvera


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Perhaps if she had put 'EIR' on the plate rather than 'EIRE' she may have a stronger case to argue?! :D


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  • #37
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    pa990 wrote: »
    You laugh now ... but ... this won't be the end of it.


    ( I don't have the county in irish on my plate, and never had an issue with nct, same with last two cars)




    Yeah.. Don't ask me for a link. It was pre internet days.
    Wasn't it some lady in Dublin who wanted to have BÁC instead of D reg?


  • #38
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    From 2007..
    Members of an Irish language lobby group in the Northwest have marked the new year by affixing EIR stickers this weekend over the existing official IRL blue EU-symbol on registration plates of several vehicles in Sligo, Leitrim and Donegal.

    The group is campaigning to have the IRL tag on car registration plates discontinued in favour of EIR.

    The campaign was launched two months ago by Radió na Gaeltachta presenter Máirtín Tom Sheáinín, who said yesterday: "Our aim is to have all Irish car registration plates changed, in order to display the name of the country in Irish, instead of the English version which is now in general use.

    "We have begun the new year by having the new EIR stickers placed by our supporters on several vehicles, with the consent of the owners, and we hope to see EIR introduced officially, before the end of 2009."

    He accepted there were some legislative avenues to be explored before such a change could be officially made. Mr Sheáinín said some members of the group had been using the EIR sticker since the campaign was launched. A number of Irish language lobby groups in the midlands and northeast said yesterday they were also supporting the campaign.


    Videó here
    https://youtu.be/rU_WY9hmMz4




    What are the chances these are just stickers on her number plates?


  • #39
    marklazarcovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    It's a visual retest like,free .. see dozens of jap and German style plates a week


  • #40
    ION08
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    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Wasn't it some lady in Dublin who wanted to have BÁC instead of D reg?

    That's the last thing we need, more characters on our existing stupidly long reg plates

    [152-BAC-12345]


  • #41
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    ION08 wrote: »
    That's the last thing we need, more characters on our existing stupidly long reg plates

    [152-BAC-12345]

    Anything to swell the government coffers, you know yourself.

    Wouldn't be surprised if something like this happens.


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  • #42
    CiniO
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    Indricotherium wrote: »
    The country code on the plate is obviously less important here than say Belgium where you might pass through three countries on your way to work.

    But imagine how difficult it would be for law enforcement on the continent if people decided they would just put whatever they felt like on the plate.

    In most countries on the Continent number plates are issued by car registration offices instead of being sold in shops like in here or UK.
    In general fiddling with your plate on a continent is a serious offence with severe fines so no one would really try to amend their number plates.
    Only in Ireland and UK I've seen people modifying their plates just for fun whether it be amending font, size, or some charcers or symbols.
    On the continent people just generally don't do it.


  • #43
    AlekSmart
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    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    Ní raibh aon fhoirm ar fáil i ngaeilge.

    The form to complain was not available in Irish so she did not submit it.

    Looking at the form in her fist,I'd be even more confused...after a lifetime of accepting that Number,as gaeilge,translates to Uimhir....I now see that in NCT Irish it's Numero......as in "Numero de Chassis"....who is kidding who on this issue ?

    An Teanga Beo,appears to be far more fluid these days than ever before...?

    Numero ?...givvus a break !!! :eek:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #44
    pa990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭pa990


    Next she'll probably want all the speed limit signs in irish

    Km/ur.. or something similar


  • #45
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭Isambard


    the IRL on the EU symbol is the EU designation for Ireland....The words Eire and Ireland don't come into it, not relevant (does anyone belive she bought the car ten years ago with those plates?


  • #46
    GM228
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    CiniO wrote: »
    It must have been a decision taken long time ago, probably in 1949 Geneva Convention to assign IRL as country code for Ireland for marking vehicles.
    Possibly if Ireland wanted, they could get EIR instead, but looks like they didn't.

    Other countries have symbols from their own language like Germany had D as Deutschland or Lichtenstein is FL, etc...

    Spot on Cinio, IRL was asaigned as the country code for traffic purposes on May 31st 1962 when Ireland acceded to the 1949 Geneva Convention on Road Traffic.

    Prior to that the official code for traffic purposes was SE under the 1926 Paris Convention on Motor Traffic. Until 1962 the code otherwise for traffic purposes was still actually SE, not EIR as Wikapedia claims*.


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    Silvera wrote: »
    Interestingly EIR was previously used as Ireland's international oval in 1938 and changed to IRL in 1962. This list of international oval's lists both EIR and IRL for Ireland...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_vehicle_registration_codes
    Éire or Republic of Ireland. Formerly Great Britain, Saorstát Éireann. Currently there is a campaign by Irish language activists under way to have the name of the country in the native language represented by changing the code back to EIR or ÉIR, but this is unnecessary, as Statutory Instrument No. 269 of 1961 provides: " ... the letters EIR are used to indicate the name of the State but the letters IRL may be substituted therefor.

    She may be in the right after all.

    *The EIR code was never used for traffic purposes, or as a general country code - the exception being that EIR became the country code for Ireland for the purposes of the international motor insurance card since December 31st 1952. The Mechanically Propelled Vehicles (International Circulation) Order 1961 (SI 269/1961) simply allowed the option of using the correct IRL instead of EIR for the motor insurance card only.


    Isambard wrote: »
    the IRL on the EU symbol is the EU designation for Ireland....The words Eire and Ireland don't come into it, not relevant (does anyone belive she bought the car ten years ago with those plates?

    Nope the IRL was not assigned by the EU, rather the 1949 convention. The EU has never assigned any country a code.

    Traffic purposes aside the official country codes for Ireland (since 1947 for the first) by the way is both IE and IRL (and also 372).


  • #47
    GM228
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    Isn't it a bit ironic that you can be failed for having an incorrect marking on a registration plate, yet you can't be failed for having defective/missing registration plates lights which allow you to see the plates in the dark.


  • #48
    jca
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    GM228 wrote: »
    Isn't it a bit ironic that you can be failed for having an incorrect marking on a registration plate, yet you can't be failed for having defective/missing registration plates lights which allow you to see the plates in the dark.

    My sister in law's car was failed for non working number plate lights, free visual retest but a fail nonetheless.


  • #49
    Sofiztikated
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    jca wrote: »
    My sister in law's car was failed for non working number plate lights, free visual retest but a fail nonetheless.

    I've a test sheet in my hand,

    Registration Plate Lamps Not working, faulty or not fitted Pass/Advisory.


  • #50
    GM228
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    jca wrote: »
    My sister in law's car was failed for non working number plate lights, free visual retest but a fail nonetheless.

    You can't (and never could) be failed for such.


  • #51
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    GM228 wrote: »
    Isn't it a bit ironic that you can be failed for having an incorrect marking on a registration plate, yet you can't be failed for having defective/missing registration plates lights which allow you to see the plates in the dark.

    Maybe in an Alanis Morrisette kinda way.


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  • #52
    jca
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    GM228 wrote: »
    You can't (and never could) be failed for such.

    Maybe it was an advisory but I treated it as a fail and fixed the lights regardless.


  • #53
    GM228
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    jca wrote: »
    Maybe it was an advisory but I treated it as a fail and fixed the lights regardless.

    Up until 2014 it showed as an "advisory fail", since then shows as an "advisory pass". In either case it did not amount to a fail.

    If there was nothing else a cert is issued, if she didn't get a cert then something else failed the car.


  • #54
    jca
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    GM228 wrote: »
    Up until 2014 it showed as an "advisory fail", since then shows as an "advisory pass". In either case it did not amount to a fail.

    If there was nothing else a cert is issued, if she didn't get a cert then something else failed the car.

    There was a load of other problems too. A local "mechanic" had been messing with it and making it worse. I worked my way through the Bible of faults and got it through.


  • #55
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I note that her NCT has now expired and hasn't passed a retest in the meantime.


  • #56
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    I note that her NCT has now expired and hasn't passed a retest in the meantime.

    Is she making a silent protest or something?

    Can you not get an IRL sticker and stick it on?

    Just like with 'Corcaigh' 'Ciarrai' etc


  • #57
    grogi
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    jca wrote: »
    My sister in law's car was failed for non working number plate lights, free visual retest but a fail nonetheless.

    Plate lights are only advisory item, not grounds for failure.
    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    I've a test sheet in my hand,

    Registration Plate Lamps Not working, faulty or not fitted Pass/Advisory.

    So she did not fail on the Registration Plate Lamps...


  • #58
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    grogi wrote: »
    Plate lights are only advisory item, not grounds for failure.



    So she did not fail on the Registration Plate Lamps...

    She failed on the registration plates themselves as they said Eire instead of IRL wasn't it :confused:


  • #59
    grogi
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    She failed on the registration plates themselves as they said Eire instead of IRL wasn't it :confused:

    But it is about the sister now, right?


  • #60
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    grogi wrote: »
    But it is about the sister now, right?

    Jasus i need to keep up in that case :pac:


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  • #61
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    grogi wrote: »
    Plate lights are only advisory item, not grounds for failure.



    So she did not fail on the Registration Plate Lamps...
    Afaik if none of the number plate lights work it's a fail but if one works and the other doesn't it's an advisory. I could be wrong on this but I could of sworn it was like this in the past for me.


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