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Should processed meats be banned from schools and hospitals cafeterias ?

  • 26-06-2017 11:15am
    #1
    joefromireland
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭


    Should Irish hospitals and schools ban processed meats from been served in their cafeterias?

    I ask the question because last week the American Medical Association’s House of Delegates adopted a resolution calling on american hospitals to provide plant-based meals choices and remove processed meats from the menus.

    Should Ireland lead the way like we did with the smoking ban by banning processed meats from all hospitals and school menus.

    This resolution was co-sponsored by the Medical Society of the District of Columbia and the American College of Cardiology.

    The wording of the resolution was, the American Medical Association hereby call on US hospitals to improve the health of patients, staff, and visitors by (1) providing a variety of healthful food, including plant-based meals and meals that are low in fat, sodium, and added sugars, (2) eliminating processed meats from menus, and (3) providing and promoting healthful beverages.”

    The resolution was co-sponsored by the Medical Society of the District of Columbia and the American College of Cardiology.

    The AMA’s recommendation, to remove processed meat from menus, is supported by strong scientific evidence. The World Health Organization warns that processed meats, including hot dogs, and bacon, are “carcinogenic to humans” and there is no amount safe for consumption.

    Is it time to act now and nudge people towards healthier eating by no longer supplying these foods in our schools and hospitals?
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  • #2
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    At the launch of the new Children's Hospital recently, the finger food provided was wedges, cocktail sausages, mini spring rolls and chicken wings.

    I'm not sure Irish institutions understand food well enough to make these changes. As a nation we've been incredibly slow to get rid of the old "any old food will do" mindset from when we were dirt poor.

    Even our hipster notions are variations on greasy carbohydrates, meat and chocolate. Pulled pork, baps, and doughnuts.


  • #3
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Nothing wrong with processed meats as long as like everything else, you eat in moderation and the stuff you do eat is of good quality.

    Those Americans might be better concerning themselves with the relatively poor food standards and what they allow the farm animals to consume over there.


  • #4
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    You'll only push it underground and into the hands of the criminal gangs.
    Prohibition will not work in the War on Rashers.


  • #5
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Processed meats are part of my culture, hands off my wiener you hippies.


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What is an unprocessed meat?
    Do you take a bite out of a cow?


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  • #7
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Only a matter of time before liberals try to ban meat. And I'm not even joking.
    Smoking bans are about harming other people not harming yourself.


  • #8
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you take a bite out of a cow?

    I think you might have the simple decency to kill the cow first


  • #9
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Do many schools actually have cafeterias in Ireland?

    Mine certainly didn't.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #10
    Neyite
    Administrators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Neyite


    The HSE never will ban them because processed meat is cheap and our health service is already a shambles.

    Actually the Americans pretty much eat processed everything.

    You see a recipe for a cake and it's like "open a box of yellow cake mix and add oil" and that's the full recipe right there. I'm subscribed to a slow cooker FB group that has lots of US members and for things like a chicken casserole they have a tin of chicken pieces, tins of vegetables and tins of stock or whatever as their recipe.

    Here in Ireland we've excellent home grown meat, veg and dairy. You look at any US cook show and their butter is off-white, ours is properly yellow. I'd bet that even our chicken nuggets produced here and processed to bejaysus have more nutrition than theirs.


  • #11
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,455 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    joefromireland wrote: »
    The World Health Organization warns that processed meats, including hot dogs, and bacon, are “carcinogenic to humans” and there is no amount safe for consumption.
    That's not true. The recommendation from WHO is "that people who eat meat should moderate the consumption of processed meat to reduce the risk of colorectal cancer" (http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/)

    Also, the figures are not exactly terrifying, unless it's making up a significant part of your diet (https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html):
    Eating 50 grams of processed meat every day increased the risk of colorectal cancer by 18%. That’s the equivalent of about 4 strips of bacon or 1 hot dog... Overall, the lifetime risk of someone developing colon cancer is 5%. To put the numbers into perspective, the increased risk from eating the amount of processed meat in the study would raise average lifetime risk to almost 6%.

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  • #12
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Schools should concern themselves with education first. Such as teaching the difference between been and being. In fact it would do no harm to have lessons in hospitals too.


  • #13
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    It's not a bad idea but the minute I sense the vegan \vegetarian finger wagging lobby, I instantly want to eat processed meat until I collapse.


  • #14
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Neyite wrote: »
    The HSE never will ban them because processed meat is cheap and our health service is already a shambles.

    Actually the Americans pretty much eat processed everything.

    You see a recipe for a cake and it's like "open a box of yellow cake mix and add oil" and that's the full recipe right there. I'm subscribed to a slow cooker FB group that has lots of US members and for things like a chicken casserole they have a tin of chicken pieces, tins of vegetables and tins of stock or whatever as their recipe.

    Here in Ireland we've excellent home grown meat, veg and dairy. You look at any US cook show and their butter is off-white, ours is properly yellow. I'd bet that even our chicken nuggets produced here and processed to bejaysus have more nutrition than theirs.

    Do you make your own stock?


  • #15
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    No but the quality of food served in hospitals should improve. I've not seen any schools down here with a full canteen like we had up north serving a choice of dinners, but even then 20 to 30 years ago we only got processed foods or chips once a week.

    Loads of lovely salami and chorizo would be a good improvement.


  • #16
    Neyite
    Administrators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Do you make your own stock?

    Mostly, yes. Not that there is anything wrong with using a stock cube, which I do when I've no stock in the freezer.


  • #17
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Do you make your own stock?

    Hardly difficult is it?


  • #18
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Jayop wrote: »
    Hardly difficult is it?

    It's fairly time consuming.

    I make a fair a mount if stews, and casseroles and wouldn't bother.


  • #19
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    It's fairly time consuming.

    I make a fair a mount if stews, and casseroles and wouldn't bother.

    If I had some stock to hand from something I had cooked recently I'll use that but otherwise stick in a stock cube.


  • #20
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    It's fairly time consuming.

    I make a fair a mount if stews, and casseroles and wouldn't bother.

    Stew is what people eat before they invented pizza.


  • #21
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,173 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Jayop wrote: »

    Loads of lovely salami and chorizo would be a good improvement.

    I was always lead to believe that Salami was one of the worst processed meats!


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  • #22
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I was always lead to believe that Salami was one of the worst processed meats!

    I'd have no doubt about that, it's fecking lovely though. And more of a nibble thing to have whereas with a typical irish breakfast you'd have a full plate of processed meats stacked up.


  • #23
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,173 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Jayop wrote: »
    I'd have no doubt about that, it's fecking lovely though. And more of a nibble thing to have whereas with a typical irish breakfast you'd have a full plate of processed meats stacked up.

    The last time I had Salami I ate a packet of it! It was a lot more than a nibble.


  • #24
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    The last time I had Salami I ate a packet of it! It was a lot more than a nibble.

    lol, yeah I can fall foul to that the odd time, especially after a few beers.


  • #25
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    The problem isn't what kids/people are eating in schools/hospitals .......... the problem is what kids/people are eating at home.


  • #26
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    GLaDOS wrote: »
    Do many schools actually have cafeterias in Ireland?

    Mine certainly didn't.

    That was my first thought. What school cafeterias?


  • #27
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    No cafeteria?
    Gee, what did you do during recess?


  • #28
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    Peregrine wrote: »
    That was my first thought. What school cafeterias?

    We had a chipper van outside our school at lunchtimes. Probably would be banned now.

    Given the amount of tubby kids it's probably for the best.


  • #29
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,173 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    No cafeteria?
    Gee, what did you do during recess?

    Go down town!


  • #30
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    What would be the point of going to a hospital if you couldn't get a decent hang sandwich?


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  • #31
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    What would be the point of going to a hospital if you couldn't get a decent hang sandwich?

    To catch MRSA and get the sick benefit.


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