Social media spitefulness

Grandeeod · 25-06-2017 01:22AM

Tigger wrote: »

I think they are entitled to be homophobic but if they don't wanna get hassle they should have made the cake
It's a business not at endeavour

It is a business and they made a decision based on their business. So what? And who are you to decide if they are homophopic anyway.

Tigger wrote: »

Lol at me and the millions of others that are "Wrong"

Who said you were wrong? Perhaps you are just being a pedantic idiot? Im in my 40s and straight and experienced the gay scene in the very early 1990's via friends. My gay friends of a similar generation and older are actually embarassed by some of the crap that is claimed to be homophobic. Gay people who couldn't care a fook less, have realised that. I reckon its just PC straight people that perpetuate any of this homophobe BS. Being Gay is normal, but having a problem with it is normal too, because all humans have a problem with something.

languagenerd · 25-06-2017 01:53AM

The Facebook review thing is ridiculous because it's really hard to remove malicious or erroneous reviews - companies can only report them and are reliant on the whims of Facebook's moderation policies. As well, IIRC, you can only report them if there's text (you can't report a 1 star rating as mistaken/malicious unless the person writes why they gave it).

I've worked for a company with a similar name to a business in another country and, despite having "Ireland" in our description, we'd sometimes get bad reviews or low ratings from their angrier customers. Couldn't remove them, even though they were nothing to do with us or our services.

But if anyone can a write a permanent review without having to prove they're a real customer or without having to back up their claims, the system is meaningless - it's too open to abuse from both businesses rating themselves and disgruntled customers/acquaintances with an axe to grind. I could write anything on any company's wall and they can't delete it... Can they even sue for defamation if it was all lies? Would they even be able to track down the poster to bring about proceedings?

diomed · 25-06-2017 02:07AM

Reading this thread motivated me to Deactivate my Facebook account.

Irish Guitarist · 25-06-2017 04:08AM

When that sick bastard from Lostprophets was sentenced for child rape hordes of morons did a search for the name Ian Watkins on Twitter so they could play internet warrior with someone who was already in jail. It didn't seem to register with them that there might be more than one Ian Watkins in the world so anyone that was unfortunate enough to share his name got terrible abuse.

The most high profile one was H from Steps. There was another man called Ian Watkins that was campaigning against sex trafficking or something. He seemed decent enough but all of a sudden hundreds of idiots were calling him a paedo and telling him to rot in Hell.

Murrisk · 25-06-2017 05:07AM

languagenerd wrote: »

Can they even sue for defamation if it was all lies? Would they even be able to track down the poster to bring about proceedings?

I would say that could certainly happen if the person has made up lies about a company. It's libellous. After all, they can screengrab the comment as proof and I'm sure it can be retrieved even if deleted. (maybe someone more techy than me can confirm that?)

hatrickpatrick · 25-06-2017 06:49AM

I quite enjoy how South Park dealt with people abusing social media reviews to get special treatment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDlR_ccnZww

LadyMacBeth_ · 25-06-2017 11:06AM

With the likes of tripadvisor I usually look at the good reviews first, if there are a lot more of them then I have a quick look at the bad ones, and it's usually something like ''the hotel didn't have any English channels wah wah wah'' or something else equally as stupid so I ignore them.

Ash.J.Williams · 25-06-2017 11:45AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If the representatives of the organisation had actually wanted a cake made in the first place, then a Christian bakery hardly seems like the most obvious place to make an order, unless what they actually wanted was a social media shìt-storm and a ton of publicity for their own cause. The unexpected aftermath of course was the social media mob taking matters into their own hands and actively trying to have the business shut down.

The same spiteful fcukers tried to get a printing business closed down too, and then they wonder why people detest them and don't want to have any dealings with them? It's bloody obvious why - because they can mobilise a social media mob in minutes to try and destroy the reputation of any business, or make their lives hell in the process.

Thankfully most people aren't so stupid as some people need them to be.

You're in the cake business.... Bake the fkn cake

Samaris · 25-06-2017 11:52AM

My friends quickly learned not to send me the "spread this information" posts, as I got into the (probably very annoying) habit of fact-checking them, correcting them, and sending them back.

It was impressive how quickly the flow stopped. I reccommend this approach if you don't mind losing some friends (:P), limit one avenue for bullsh*t and get the real story out, no matter if it never gets beyond the one person that ate up the original nonsense.

languagenerd · 25-06-2017 03:23PM

Murrisk wrote: »

languagenerd wrote: »

Can they even sue for defamation if it was all lies? Would they even be able to track down the poster to bring about proceedings?

I would say that could certainly happen if the person has made up lies about a company. It's libellous. After all, they can screengrab the comment as proof and I'm sure it can be retrieved even if deleted. (maybe someone more techy than me can confirm that?)

Oh it definitely meets the legal definition of libel, but how do they track the person down if they don't know them in real life? You can't bring a case without the person's real name and address. I doubt the guards have time to dig for info on what is essentially a civil case and if Facebook don't accept that it's a lie in the first place...

Murrisk · 25-06-2017 03:34PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

With the likes of tripadvisor I usually look at the good reviews first, if there are a lot more of them then I have a quick look at the bad ones, and it's usually something like ''the hotel didn't have any English channels wah wah wah'' or something else equally as stupid so I ignore them.

I always inwardly groan when I see a Tripadvisor review accompanied by photos of the corners of rooms or under beds or of refuse sacks. You just know it's going to be some nitpicky loser. I've had bad accommodation before but surely these people should just make the best of it rather than documenting the crapness of the property?

Murrisk · 25-06-2017 03:36PM

Samaris wrote: »

My friends quickly learned not to send me the "spread this information" posts, as I got into the (probably very annoying) habit of fact-checking them, correcting them, and sending them back.

It was impressive how quickly the flow stopped. I reccommend this approach if you don't mind losing some friends (:P), limit one avenue for bullsh*t and get the real story out, no matter if it never gets beyond the one person that ate up the original nonsense.

I like this. Very proactive!

andekwarhola · 25-06-2017 03:41PM

You tend to get a feel for certain bad reviews.

If I'm going away with my wife or family, I'll get a decent enough hotel but for a lads or football trip, I generally get a cheap one because you're staying out late and getting up early.

When looking at reviews for the latter type of hotel, you can almost predict a rash of negative reviews from people that book the hotel because it's cheap but are then appalled because it's, you know, a cheapo hotel.

Solomon Pleasant · 25-06-2017 03:46PM

I believe that social media overtook porn as the number one activity on the web a number of years ago.

I though at the time that this was a good thing, I'm really not sure now.

Murrisk · 25-06-2017 03:58PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

You tend to get a feel for certain bad reviews.

If I'm going away with my wife or family, I'll get a decent enough hotel but for a lads or football trip, I generally get a cheap one because you're staying out late and getting up early.

When looking at reviews for the latter type of hotel, you can almost predict a rash of negative reviews from people that book the hotel because it's cheap but are then appalled because it's, you know, a cheapo hotel.

Exactly. A favourite of these whiners, I've noticed, is taking photos of chips gone out of furniture. Well yes, you paid €30 for that room, what do you expect? Plus it makes me feel so depressed to think of someone on holiday, in a new place, taking photos of their hotel room.

And then the thicks marking down a property for extraneous reasons such as bad weather.

These types of review are, as you say, very easy to spot.

koumi · 25-06-2017 04:09PM

sociopaths

Grandeeod · 25-06-2017 09:28PM

An anti social media thread on Boards.ie, barely making it past 4 pages, really sums things up. I guess the majority cannot accept or really defend the criticism, because its a part of their lives that they can't comprehend doing without.

B.A._Baracus · 25-06-2017 10:55PM

Honestly, and i wish this wasn't the case, but there is a lot of as$holes in this world and social media just proves it. As another said it gives an as$hole a platform to be an as$hole.

People don't care if what they post effects someone else.

25-06-2017 11:20PM

B.A._Baracus wrote:

Honestly, and i wish this wasn't the case, but there is a lot of as$holes in this world and social media just proves it. As another said it gives an as$hole a platform to be an as$hole.

Totally agree with you but to keep yourself sane you need to remind yourself that there are some very genuine people online too

Samaris · 26-06-2017 06:33AM

There's a lot good about the internet, but there's also huge problems with it that no-one really saw coming. In retrospect, they look obvious (although there's still a certain elitist issue with approaching said problem). How is the spread of totally made up information aimed at having real life consequences to be dealt with? Can it be? Is that going against a certain central tenet of the internet which is everyone gets to have their say (even if they insist on talking total rubbish).

How is disconnection from the reality of day to day interaction with other people to be dealt with? What about the problem of teenagers becoming too socially savvy in terms of the internet while having their actual social interaction blunted in daily life? Especially teenagers and young kids who are being brought up far too much online and without developing their social skills towards human interaction in person - which is not fully replaced by the internet. No face to face contact, no learning how to read body language, etc. And that's before we get to the poisonous atmosphere of many online talking places, the echo chambers, the normalisation of brainless drivel and nasty brainless drivel at that at times. And the downright lies.

Social media spitefulness is just one facet of the whole issue, imo. The internet leads to the same sort of dulling of the sort of empathy gained from social interaction and learning how to read and understand other people as sociopathy does, albeit on different scales. That is rather alarming when you think of those being brought up on it far more than the majority of us were.

nozzferrahhtoo · 26-06-2017 08:59AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That wasn't directed at you Murrisk, it was a commentary on the kind of people who spread the stories and incite people to want to join in in destroying someone else's livelihood. The Christian bakers for example who were targeted by a small group looking to raise their own profile, and how that went on social media.

Then there is good AND bad sides to it. I certainly do not see much "good" in the storys the OP tells. Having someones livelihood destroyed just because people are jealous of who your boyfriend or girlfriend is...... is a terrible thing. No justification for that.

However a business that actively promotes bigotry or turns customers away simply because of who or what they are........... then I want to know about that so I, and everyone else, can vote with our financial feet and take our business elsewhere. I see that as a GOOD thing.

Now how individuals behave while doing that GOOD thing is a different story. There is a right way and a wrong way to raise the profile of an event like a gay couple being rejected a service solely because they are gay. So there is a whole separate discussion to be had there.

But THAT the public was made aware that "Shop X" refuses business to people simply because they do not want to offer products for use in a homosexual marriage service for example....... is itself a good thing. While I 100% think the owners of the shop SHOULD have a 100% right to reject that business for any bigotted reason they want.......... I think we all have the 100% right to make each other aware of it........ take our business elsewhere......... and even feel personal schadenfreude and glee and even mirth watching bigots go out of business and go bankrupt while non-bigots get the money instead and their business thrives and grows.

previous user · 29-06-2017 11:42PM

I dunno there's some cafes and shops were the manager and staff were absolute obnoxious c*nts, So it's therapeutic to let them have it on yelp, but mostly so other paying customers don't have to deal with these arrogant c*nuts.

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