The Lions rugby team

OldMrBrennan83 · 24-06-2017 08:18PM

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Beasty · 24-06-2017 08:22PM

I'm guessing "we" lost today....

castletownman · 24-06-2017 09:25PM

tastyt wrote: »

what i think is funny is the sky sports add

it shows a maouri with face paint on and goes " being an all black is in their blood"

then it shows an actual lion and says " being a lion is in ours "

Am no, its definitely not. Their is not 1 lion in any of our countries that isn't locked up in some zoo after being flown in from Africa where it is actually part of their culture.

One is an ancient culture. The other is a large African cat.

But then again it's not too surprising. Sure the colonists were used to imposing their own thoughts of culture on the locals when they were spreading the game all over the world

Billy86 · 24-06-2017 09:39PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well the Countries who play rugby at competive level should.

And NZ are very good at many sports. You only have look how well they do in Olympics. Too many excuses.

By that token, the USA, China and Nigeria should be embarrassed over not winning the WC in football.

The men had 6 medals at the last Olympics - good sure, two in athletics, on in cycling, and three in sailing/rowing. Are you trying to say that they take those sports anywhere even remotely as serious as rugby? It would be like saying Ireland are big into rowing because of the O'Donovan brothers' success.

24-06-2017 09:41PM

castletownman wrote: »

One is an ancient culture. The other is a large African cat.

But then again it's not too surprising. Sure the colonists were used to imposing their own thoughts of culture on the locals when they were spreading the game all over the world

And an African cat that has relevance to British symbols, the lion rampant being a feature of British heraldry, but no relevance to Ireland at all. Then again, it was only in this century that we were acknowledged in the team name.

osarusan · 24-06-2017 09:46PM

I've never really understood the point of it.

A team put together from 4 nations, then plays against 1 nation. I mean, even if the Lions win...so what? With the exception of NZ, most of the 4 teams would put up a decent effort by themselves.

I'd be more interested in a game between a 6 Nations representative team against a Rugby Championship representative team.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-06-2017 09:46PM

Billy86 wrote: »

By that token, the USA, China and Nigeria should be embarrassed over not winning the WC in football.

The men had 6 medals at the last Olympics - good sure, two in athletics, on in cycling, and three in sailing/rowing. Are you trying to say that they take those sports anywhere even remotely as serious as rugby? It would be like saying Ireland are big into rowing because of the O'Donovan brothers' success.

Those 3 countries are very successful in other sports. Nigeria are one of best teams in Africa. Great Success there.

Its not like money is not been pumped into rugby in Ireland or England.

England have at least won a WC

Duckworth_Luas · 24-06-2017 09:52PM

A South African journalist christianed the touring team from these islands "The Lions" and it stuck.

24-06-2017 09:54PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

A South African journalist christianed the touring team from these islands "The Lions" and it stuck.

But because they wore that British colonial symbol on their ties. The Lion means feck all to Ireland, it was adopted by the British as they expanded their empire from medieval times.

Billy86 · 24-06-2017 09:58PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Those 3 countries are very successful in other sports. Nigeria are one of best teams in Africa. Great Success there.

Its not like money is not been pumped into rugby in Ireland or England.

England have at least won a WC

But they're huge countries that play football at a competitive level (two with leagues attracting big stars with lots of money being pumped in) that have not won a WC, so they should be embarrassed by that criteria.

England did win a WC... over half a century ago. Meanwhile a country with less than 20% of their population are the reigning European champions.

Beasty · 24-06-2017 10:27PM

The USA won a bronze medal in the World Cup

(albeit 87 years ago)

Yamanoto · 24-06-2017 10:35PM

The_Kew_Tour's trolled most every Rugby thread that's ever shown up in AH.

Junkyard Tom · 24-06-2017 10:42PM

osarusan wrote: »

I'd be more interested in a game between a 6 Nations representative team against a Rugby Championship representative team.

That does sound rather intriguing. 🤔

indioblack · 24-06-2017 10:48PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well they do well in many sports.

It depends on other factors of course. I was not being so black and white.

Or even All Black?

Burial. · 24-06-2017 10:52PM

I enjoy it simply because it usually results in New Zealand or whoever putting on an absolute clinic. I still rewatch the game in 2005 from to time where Carter put on the best individual display I've ever seen on a rugby pitch.

Billy86 · 24-06-2017 10:59PM

Beasty wrote: »

The USA won a bronze medal in the World Cup

(albeit 87 years ago)

When a country of just 3.5mn people won the whole thing, they should be embarrassed.

Beasty · 24-06-2017 11:08PM

Billy86 wrote: »

When a country of just 3.5mn people won the whole thing, they should be embarrassed.

You know you are talking about the team that managed to win it again in Brazil 20 years later?

EDIT - Oh and New Zealand's population is only 4.7m:P:P

OldMrBrennan83 · 24-06-2017 11:22PM

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Billy86 · 24-06-2017 11:45PM

Beasty wrote: »

You know you are talking about the team that managed to win it again in Brazil 20 years later?

EDIT - Oh and New Zealand's population is only 4.7m:P:P

Yeah, was referring to another poster scoffing about NZ being only 3.5mn on the first page.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Is it not a bit embarrassing that a total population of 3.5million can get a double score over a combined population of 70+million.

Arcade_Tryer · 25-06-2017 12:29AM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

A South African journalist christianed the touring team from these islands "The Lions" and it stuck.

They should be rechristened "The Cubs" after their recent performances.

yosser hughes · 25-06-2017 02:14AM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Really? What should people 'care# about then?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 25-06-2017 02:27AM

I find the concept pretty bizarre to be honest, but then again I couldn't care less about rugby in general.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-06-2017 05:52AM

Always like to see us Irish hold close to our English, Scottish and Welsh brethren.

They're the people that we share all our culture and customs with.

We're not European, we're the British and the Irish.

God only knows where the world would be without all the innovations and inventions of GB and Irish.

The_Kew_Tour · 25-06-2017 08:10AM

Billy86 wrote: »

But they're huge countries that play football at a competitive level (two with leagues attracting big stars with lots of money being pumped in) that have not won a WC, so they should be embarrassed by that criteria.

England did win a WC... over half a century ago. Meanwhile a country with less than 20% of their population are the reigning European champions.

I was talking about England rugby wc win in 2003.

To compare a Sport where it is a National Sport in 2 countries, compared to 150+ is bit crazy.

But even if it national sport in NZ its not like that's only sport they have.

ThinkProgress · 25-06-2017 08:37AM

The Lions coach is not even British or Irish... wait for it... yep, he's a New Zealander... lol

So even in the unlikely event that the lions do manage to win the series... they will have required a big chunk of help from a New Zealander to beat New Zealand. :P

Despite him being the Wales coach, I still think that would diminish any potential success they have!

If you can't find a decent native coach out of four rugby nations, sorry but that's a damning indictment of the whole concept for me... It's really not surprising that the lions have a losing record historically tbh.

timthumbni · 25-06-2017 08:40AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Is it not a bit embarrassing that a total population of 3.5million can get a double score over a combined population of 70+million.

That's the worst bit:)

Well to balance the population argument out nz have got the maoris.

If Adolf had to share a shower room with a few Maoris after a gym workout in the 1930s he would have cut the master race **** out pronto.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 25-06-2017 08:57AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Always like to see us Irish hold close to our English, Scottish and Welsh brethren.

They're the people that we share all our culture and customs with.

We're not European, we're the British and the Irish.

God only knows where the world would be without all the innovations and inventions of GB and Irish.

I'm not British and Irish. I'm just Irish.

ThisRegard · 25-06-2017 09:05AM

ThinkProgress wrote: »

The Lions coach is not even British or Irish... wait for it... yep, he's a New Zealander... lol

So even in the unlikely event that the lions do manage to win the series... they will have required a big chunk of help from a New Zealander to beat New Zealand. :P

Despite him being the Wales coach, I still think that would diminish any potential success they have!

If you can't find a decent native coach out of four rugby nations, sorry but that's a damning indictment of the whole concept for me... It's really not surprising that the lions have a losing record historically tbh.

Well that's a load of nonsense for a Sunday morning.

ThinkProgress · 25-06-2017 09:20AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Well that's a load of nonsense for a Sunday morning.

Sorry if I put a downer on things for you there...

Hey look, maybe someone can give the man a British or Irish passport, and you could just pretend he's not a kiwi... :P

They're doing it with players all the time around these parts, why not coaches too!?

S. Goodspeed · 25-06-2017 09:33AM

It's a relatively novel concept with some history / tradition but the hype around it is absurd. I can see why players love it, getting selected elevates them above their international colleagues and they get to hang out with a new set of jocks for a few weeks. But I really don't get why some people are obsessed with it, to me it's a curiousity, nothing else. The whole "being a lion is in our blood" thing and comparing it to being a Maori (which is actually in there's) is particularly galling to me. l

The Lions rugby team

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