Philando Castile Shooting

Hyzepher · 22-06-2017 12:02PM #1

Not sure if people are following this shooting in the USA but I have one question.

There are two videos that have been released for this. One is within the car moments after the shooting and one is from the dashcam of the police officer.

Why does one look to be of a car with right hand drive and the other from a car with left hand drive?

Any ideas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Pt1nkw3Mk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdWeyFhpL8

Penn · 22-06-2017 12:05PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

Why does one look to be of a car with right hand drive and the other from a car with left hand drive?

Any ideas?

The first video is flipped for some reason. The original video I saw of it had it the right way around.

wes · 22-06-2017 12:56PM

‘I don’t want you to get shooted,’ girl, 4, begged mother after Philando Castile shooting

Another video of the after math. How the cop got away with this is beyond me. There is something seriously wrong with how the US police forces are run, as this kind of thing seems to just keep happening.

Gatling · 22-06-2017 02:56PM

Trigger happy cop that should never been allowed to get into that situation and then get away with it

Boom_Bap · 22-06-2017 03:06PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

Why does one look to be of a car with right hand drive and the other from a car with left hand drive?

Any ideas?

Facebook Live generally gives a mirror image. The best way to look at it is that in the first video, it should be a left hand drive car as they are in the USA.

rossie1977 · 22-06-2017 03:52PM

The silence from the NRA on the subject is deafening which is really telling.

Manic Moran · 22-06-2017 06:40PM

wes wrote: »

Another video of the after math. How the cop got away with this is beyond me. There is something seriously wrong with how the US police forces are run, as this kind of thing seems to just keep happening.

Remains to be seen what happens to him. The standards to be reached for a criminal charge to stick were always recognized to be very high. He will not be returning to his job, however, as the police department he worked for has already made clear his career with them is over. We'll see if he gets a job with any other department, I guess.

Tea Shock · 23-06-2017 11:35AM

Do police officers never shoot white people? Or is it just never newsworthy?

It's really easy to say after the fact that this policeman over-reacted but there's also no doubt, whether it was racial profiling or not, that this police man was afraid. To add futher context, he was pulling Castile over because he resembled someone they were looking for who had committed a robbery

But surely the instructions given by the police man were all wrong and the procedure should have been to disarm Castile before asking him to get his documents.

Captain Obvious · 23-06-2017 12:29PM

The law suit will probably be settled. As to how he got off, it's pretty clear from the audio on the second video. He kept telling the guy not to reach and the guy kept reaching. That was never gonna end well.

pickarooney · 23-06-2017 12:34PM

wes wrote: »

‘I don’t want you to get shooted,’ girl, 4, begged mother after Philando Castile shooting

Another video of the after math. How the cop got away with this is beyond me. There is something seriously wrong with how the US police forces are run, as this kind of thing seems to just keep happening.

Grammar police have carte blanche.

BillyBobBS · 23-06-2017 12:43PM

Hard to make out what really happened from that footage. I'm more shocked at his girlfriends name, Diamond!! Who the hell calls their newborn Diamond ffs.

Grayson · 23-06-2017 12:44PM

Tea Shock wrote: »

Do police officers never shoot white people? Or is it just never newsworthy?

They do. It's just that statistically you're far more likely to be pulled over if you're black. It's called "driving whilst Black".

Tea Shock wrote: »

It's really easy to say after the fact that this policeman over-reacted but there's also no doubt, whether it was racial profiling or not, that this police man was afraid. To add futher context, he was pulling Castile over because he resembled someone they were looking for who had committed a robbery

The cop said the guy has a large flat nose which matches the suspect. That was all they had to go on.

razorblunt · 23-06-2017 12:47PM

I honestly can't understand how the cop got away with this, it's incredible.

Trevor Noah hit the nail on the head, they're told not to run, they're told not to walk towards cops.
This guy did nothing wrong and he was murdered.

He also called out the NRA for the silence on the matter.

TerrorFirmer · 23-06-2017 02:11PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

As to how he got off, it's pretty clear from the audio on the second video. He kept telling the guy not to reach and the guy kept reaching. That was never gonna end well.

Not passing judgement either way but why do people always ignore these facts in cases like this?

If an armed officer with a weapon drawn tells you to stop reaching and you continue to insist on reaching....

There was a case a while back where an officer was cleared after shooting a black suspect, there was a large public outcry that proclaimed it to be murder, protests followed, the whole works.

I actually watched the video and the guy in question, after being told multiple times to put his hands up, reached into his back pocket and made a whipping motion like he was pulling out a gun.

Most - almost all - of these police shootings have logic at their core but people don't want to know about it.

rossie1977 · 23-06-2017 02:52PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I actually watched the video and the guy in question, after being told multiple times to put his hands up, reached into his back pocket and made a whipping motion like he was pulling out a gun.

Most - almost all - of these police shootings have logic at their core but people don't want to know about it.

The video clearly shows that Castile told the cop he had a licenced firearm on his person and the cop shouted 'don't pull it out' and shot him 3-4 seconds later. He never asked him to put his hands up

Hyzepher · 23-06-2017 02:56PM

Just because he said "dont reach for it" doesn't mean he was reaching for it.

Also, is it now alright to fire 7 bullets into a car on the notion that they might be reaching for a gun - without actually seeing the gun. All while having your own gun pointed at the driver. What did the policeman think that guy was going to do? Open the glove box, take out the gun, point it towards him and fire all before he could fire first? he had loads of options available to him, even if the guy did intend to shoot him

Guy:Incognito · 23-06-2017 02:56PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

The video clearly shows that Castile told the cop he had a licenced firearm on his person and the cop shouted 'don't pull it out' and shot him 3-4 seconds later. He never asked him to put his hands up

He's talking about a different video.

23-06-2017 03:03PM

I find it astonishing, that the girlfriend, doesn't ask for medical assistance. Too busy filming. Not knowing whether he was dead or alive for sure, she just keeps on filming.

I find that very odd behaviour.

Hyzepher · 23-06-2017 03:25PM

Jake1 wrote: »

I find it astonishing, that the girlfriend, doesn't ask for medical assistance. Too busy filming. Not knowing whether he was dead or alive for sure, she just keeps on filming.

I find that very odd behaviour.

yeah, you'd probably be freaking out etc but then again you probably haven't been pulled over by the police upwards of 100 times in your life just for being black. Believe me they know how to act around police, especially those with guns drawn and bodies lying about.

wes · 23-06-2017 03:27PM

Jake1 wrote: »

I find it astonishing, that the girlfriend, doesn't ask for medical assistance. Too busy filming. Not knowing whether he was dead or alive for sure, she just keeps on filming.

I find that very odd behaviour.

I expect someone to act odd if a policeman murdered someone in front of them.

Gatling · 23-06-2017 03:29PM

It's odd in military forces over seas are thought courageous restraint when been shot at ,yet police officers can't seem to do anything but the opposite shoot to kill and then use the excuse they were scared ,
He could have easily retreated back to his cruiser and called for back up while dealing with the suspect

BorneTobyWilde · 23-06-2017 03:38PM

I don't get it . In US you have a right to bear arms yet when a police officer knows you have one they goes berserk.
' I have a firearm ''

'' OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG A GUN IN AMERICAN OMG OMG OMG OMG ,YOU HAVE A GUN AHHHHHHHHHHHH, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!! ''

I don't get it .

BorneTobyWilde · 23-06-2017 03:42PM

If it was me

'' I have a firearm ''

'' good for you ,reason I stopped you ..............''

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-06-2017 04:08PM

Tea Shock wrote: »

Do police officers never shoot white people? Or is it just never newsworthy?

.

Yeah never seems to make global news when it's Johnny Redneck from Stilwell, Oklahoma getting gunned down by a Police Officer.

oneilla · 23-06-2017 04:23PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

Just because he said "dont reach for it" doesn't mean he was reaching for it.

Also, is it now alright to fire 7 bullets into a car on the notion that they might be reaching for a gun - without actually seeing the gun. All while having your own gun pointed at the driver. What did the policeman think that guy was going to do? Open the glove box, take out the gun, point it towards him and fire all before he could fire first? he had loads of options available to him, even if the guy did intend to shoot him

The gun was in Castile's pocket and was still in his pocket when he was pulled out of the car and another officer gave CPR. This officer said in court he saw the gun as Castile was being rolled onto a backboard. The ambulance paramedic said in court that the officer reached deep into his pocket to pull out the gun.

http://m.startribune.com/the-latest-girlfriend-fear-led-her-to-livestream-shooting/426777761/

hatrickpatrick · 23-06-2017 04:24PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yeah never seems to make global news when it's Johnny Redneck from Stilwell, Oklahoma getting gunned down by a Police Officer.

The establishment in America want it that way. Frame the whole issue as a debate around racism and they can ignore the far more pressing issue, which is that cops are not regarded as being guilty of murder for using lethal force when it isn't the absolute only possible way to deal with a situation, as they should be.

As far as I'm concerned, if you kill somebody with a firearm, the onus should be on you to prove that you had no choice or be guilty of murder. Innocent until proven guilty should apply to establishing that you did in fact fire the bullet that killed the individual responsible, but it should then be automatically regarded as a criminal offence unless you can prove that you had no choice. Lethal force should not be routine, it should be extraordinarily, exceptionally rare and almost never regarded as an acceptable solution to any problem.

Flojo · 23-06-2017 06:46PM

wes wrote: »

I expect someone to act odd if a policeman murdered someone in front of them.

It's never going to make sense to you because you've (probably) never walked a mile in their shoes. She knew live-streaming the incident was the only way to be in with a chance of justice for yet another pointless killing. In fact I think it screams bravery rather than it being an "oddity".

23-06-2017 07:17PM

Flojo wrote: »

It's never going to make sense to you because you've (probably) never walked a mile in their shoes. She knew live-streaming the incident was the only way to be in with a chance of justice for yet another pointless killing. In fact I think it screams bravery rather than it being an "oddity".

I personally think it would have been braver, to ask the officer for medical assistance for the man laying in a pool of blood beside her.

Flojo · 23-06-2017 07:22PM

Jake1 wrote: »

I personally think it would have been braver, to ask the officer for medical assistance for the man laying in a pool of blood beside her.

Don't worry, I'm sure the officers took time out from attempting to murder innocent people and rang an ambulance.

Captain Obvious · 23-06-2017 07:26PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

The video clearly shows that Castile told the cop he had a licenced firearm on his person and the cop shouted 'don't pull it out' and shot him 3-4 seconds later. He never asked him to put his hands up

The cop said it three times and then reached in to the car before pulling his gun and shooting. What was likely happening was Mr Castile was reaching for his ID or gun permit but the cop had no way of knowing that. A simple misunderstanding that in many other countries would probably have been settled easily but in the US with their violent gun culture it resulted in lethal force.

Sand · 23-06-2017 07:39PM

I find it incredible this cop was acquitted. The victim was clearly compliant at all times, non-violent, volunteered the information that he had a firearm and clearly states that 'I'm not reaching for it'. The victim never even raises his voice. His partner at no point looks concerned, guarded or worried.

The cop had no reason to believe this man was violent or a threat to him, it's apparently the first shooting involving a police officer his department has seen in 30 years. Its not a violent war-zone he is policing. But he completely panicked and shot this guy out of total fear - he was almost crying in the aftermath. His testimony was unreliable - claiming he saw a gun when it never left the victims pocket. Its not murder, but this guy should be inside a jail cell.

The Police Department he worked for clearly don't think his actions were acceptable - he was fired. He should have been jailed. He has killed someone due to his own weakness and fear and got away with it. There is something seriously wrong with policing in the US if this sort of clearly wrong killing is given blessing by the courts.

Philando Castile Shooting

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