Get your tits out for the TDs

23-06-2017 08:45AM

volchitsa wrote: »

It amazes me that people (usually men) constantly make this "attention seeking" claim, when anyone who's ever actually looked after a baby knows they don't eat at regular intervals. If a woman is going to breastfeed her baby apparently she has to remain housebound so as not to attract criticism. Or feed her baby in public toilets.

Meanwhile, those who think a baby should eat in the toilet or that feeding it is equivalent to defecating in public are out in force again. No wonder Ireland has one of the lowest rates in the world for babies being breastfed.

Totally agree that breastfeeding shouldnt be in toilets, gross but when babies are hungry they cry, should everyone be allowed bring their crying babies to work? Or parliament?

bodice ripper · 23-06-2017 08:54AM

J.pilkington wrote:

I think she has 3

Nah, you are thinking of Eccentrica Galumbits.

LeinsterDub · 23-06-2017 08:56AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Totally agree that breastfeeding shouldnt be in toilets, gross but when babies are hungry they cry, should everyone be allowed bring their crying babies to work? Or parliament?

You understand how a parliament works right? Your allocated time to raise your issue or bill. If the member isn't there to raise their bill they move on to the next issue. The baby wasn't crying so you're just begging the question here.

If you want to talk lack of decorum in the national assembly just look at what Wallace wears in the Dáil

Lady is a tramp · 23-06-2017 09:05AM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

You're spot on, it just reeks of attention seeking. Poor kid will be mortified in years to come.

Why would the child be mortified? "Oh my god ... when you were a baby ... your mother used to FEED YOU!!!!"

As the messiest squirtiest leakiest breastfeeder in the world, I was actually watching that thinking I wish I could've done it so discreetly and naturally (for the brief period I attempted it for!) I think it's actually a lovely example for expectant mothers of how handy and normal it can be, when it works out.

It doesn't look like attention-seeking, we don't know her reasons for having to be there on that day. Fair play to her for not compromising either her career or her parenting, even with a child that small.

The Bishop Basher · 23-06-2017 09:09AM

I've no issue with women breast feeding in public..

But a place of work is just that and children have no business being there..

I don't care how good she is at multitasking..

You can't give 100% to your job while also trying to give 100% to a baby..

And this just reeks of attention seeking..

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 09:18AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

You understand how a parliament works right? Your allocated time to raise your issue or bill. If the member isn't there to raise their bill they move on to the next issue. The baby wasn't crying so you're just begging the question here.

If you want to talk lack of decorum in the national assembly just look at what Wallace wears in the Dáil

Far far worse than anyone's clothes IMO is the inebriated state of several TDs that can sometimes be observed when late voting actually means coming back to the Chamber after a night of drinking at the Dáil Bar.

Remember when a married TD forced another (female) TD onto his lap in front of the TV cameras. Drink was the excuse given, which shows just how divorced from normal rules of professionalism our elected representatives are.

But yes, your point is correct. Is it a good thing for society in general to effectively force women to choose between motherhood and any demanding profession?

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 09:21AM

Swanner wrote: »

I've no issue with women breast feeding in public..

But a place of work is just that and children have no business being there..

I don't care how good she is at multitasking..

You can't give 100% to your job while also trying to give 100% to a baby..

And this just reeks of attention seeking..

What, in practice, should an elected representative do when she has a baby?
Give up work and cause a by-election? Or give the baby to a full time carer?
I mean it's not a 9 to 5 job, right?

The Bishop Basher · 23-06-2017 09:24AM

volchitsa wrote: »

What, in practice, should an elected representative do when she has a baby?
Give up work and cause a by-election? Or give the baby to a full time carer?
I mean it's not a 9 to 5 job, right?

Same as everyone else has to do.. Hire a nanny..

I've always been led to believe by stay at home mums (and Dads) that it's a full time job and having raised 2 kids myself I wouldn't disagree.

How do you successfully manage 2 full time jobs and give your best to both at the same time ?

You can't..

razorblunt · 23-06-2017 09:36AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Complete stunt. What's next, changing a sh*tty nappy whilst detailing the budget?

+1, I was going to post pretty much the exact same thing.

Ush1 · 23-06-2017 09:39AM

volchitsa wrote: »

It amazes me that people (usually men) constantly make this "attention seeking" claim, when anyone who's ever actually looked after a baby knows they don't eat at regular intervals. If a woman is going to breastfeed her baby apparently she has to remain housebound so as not to attract criticism. Or feed her baby in public toilets.

Meanwhile, those who think a baby should eat in the toilet or that feeding it is equivalent to defecating in public are out in force again. No wonder Ireland has one of the lowest rates in the world for babies being breastfed.

So you don't think that particular politician was attention seeking?

I have no problem with breastfeeding in public by the way.

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 09:43AM

Swanner wrote: »

Same as everyone else has to do.. Hire a nanny..

I've always been led to believe by stay at home mums (and Dads) that it's a full time job and having raised 2 kids myself I wouldn't disagree.

How do you successfully manage 2 full time jobs and give your best to both at the same time ?

You can't..

You may have missed my last sentence : being an elected representative is not a normal 9 to 5 job, and IMO limiting it to men and childless women is not a good thing for society as a whole.

There are late night sittings, witness the Dail Bar incident I mentioned earlier, and people are required to be present for important votes irrespective of other commitments. MPs have actually been brought into Westminster by ambulance to vote in some cases. So it's nothing like just hiring a nanny for a normal job, unless your nanny is a slave who is available 24/7 as and when you need her.

If however your point is that no woman can be a good parent and practise anything other than a pocket money job, as you seem to imply, well we'll just have to agree to differ.

The Bishop Basher · 23-06-2017 09:44AM

volchitsa wrote: »

Meanwhile, those who think a baby should eat in the toilet or that feeding it is equivalent to defecating in public are out in force again.

Where ?

Are you referring to a different thread ?

The Bishop Basher · 23-06-2017 09:48AM

volchitsa wrote: »

You may have missed my last sentence : being an elected representative is not a normal 9 to 5 job, and IMO limiting it to men and childless women is not a good thing for society as a whole.

So what ? Who said anything about limiting it to men and childless women ?

Lots of us don't have normal 9-5 jobs. We find workable solutions to manage both parenting and job.. Bringing a baby to work is not a workable solution. You can't mind a baby and work at the same time.

Well you can try but something has to give somewhere..

volchitsa wrote: »

If however your point is that no woman can be a good parent and practise anything other than a pocket money job, as you seem to imply, well we'll just have to agree to differ.

What ? Where did I say that ? Are you just making stuff up and posting it because that's how it appears..

Maybe you could address what people actually post as opposed to what you expect them to post..

vicwatson · 23-06-2017 09:51AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Maybe you could stop being so small minded

Eh I think you're the one with the small mind, one that can't see sarcasm when written:rolleyes:

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 09:55AM

Ush1 wrote: »

So you don't think that particular politician was attention seeking?

I have no problem with breastfeeding in public by the way.

I know nothing about her except that she's an elected representative and she has a small baby.

Your two sentences seem entirely contradictory to me though. Could you explain?

Is someone who breastfeeds in a restaurant attention seeking, an allegation which is also par for the course? Are you saying people are wrong to call that attention seeking but that you're right to do so, and if so, what makes you sure you're right about her but they're all wrong about other women?

Either breastfeeding is acceptable in public and people should mind their own damn business or it's not.

23-06-2017 09:58AM

Ush1 wrote: »

So you don't think that particular politician was attention seeking?

I have no problem with breastfeeding in public by the way.

Isn't she the same one who brought up 'mansplaining' in their parliament meeting as it wasn't going her way

Ush1 · 23-06-2017 10:00AM

volchitsa wrote: »

I know nothing about her except that she's an elected representative and she has a small baby.

Your two sentences seem entirely contradictory to me though. Could you explain?

Is someone who breastfeeds in a restaurant attention seeking, an allegation which is also par for the course? Are you saying people are wrong to call that attention seeking but that you're right to do so, and if so, what makes you sure you're right about her but they're all wrong about other women?

Either breastfeeding is acceptable in public and people should mind their own damn business or it's not.

Calm your tits('scuse the pun). There's lots of things that people do in public that may not be practical or appropriate to do everywhere at any time.

You've such an obvious chip on your shoulder about this and are shooting so instantly to straw manning and shoving words in peoples mouths that it's not worth debating with you.

The poster Swanner has written some good replies to you.

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 10:00AM

Swanner wrote: »

Where ?

Are you referring to a different thread ?

Can you really have missed the post about ****ty nappies? And the likes it got, as well as the post saying what a great point that was. And the likes that one got too?

Blazer · 23-06-2017 10:03AM

Good job she's not based here.
You'd have all the old men giving out that she should stay at home and feed the baby.
Other people would be calling her an attention seeking whore.
Then if she did stay at home and take 6 months off for maternity etc you'll have everyone screaming that she's not doing her job and she needs to be let go and replaced by a man who will do it without any of the dramatics.

You honestly can't win in this country. Irish people really must be at the top of the begrudgery charts.

The Bishop Basher · 23-06-2017 10:03AM

volchitsa wrote: »

Can you really have missed the post about ****ty nappies? And the likes it got, as well as the post saying what a great point that was. And the likes that one got too?

Ah ok.. I see..

You don't get humour.. :rolleyes:

Ush1 · 23-06-2017 10:03AM

volchitsa wrote: »

Can you really have missed the post about ****ty nappies? And the likes it got, as well as the post saying what a great point that was. And the likes that one got too?

My post? I never said any of those nonsense equivalencies you came out with.

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 10:05AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Calm your tits('scuse the pun). There's lots of things that people do in public that may not be practical or appropriate to do everywhere at any time.

Right, and eating is not one of them.
Which is all breast feeding is, a baby eating.

You've such an obvious chip on your shoulder about this and are shooting so instantly to straw manning and shoving words in peoples mouths that it's not worth debating with you.

Where's the straw man please? Someone says bringing up a baby is a full time job and no-one can do two full time jobs properly : it's not straw manning to point out that this is making a general point about mothers working, and is very different discussion from breastfeeding in public.

The poster Swanner has written some good replies to you.

If you say so. :rolleyes:

Ush1 · 23-06-2017 10:08AM

Of course, I guess that's why every Christmas when the Queen is giving her speech, it's done between her shoving down mouthfuls of mash and turkey...

B0jangles · 23-06-2017 10:08AM

Blazer wrote: »

Good job she's not based here.
You'd have all the old men giving out that she should stay at home and feed the baby.
Other people would be calling her an attention seeking whore.
Then if she did stay at home and take 6 months off for maternity etc you'll have everyone screaming that she's not doing her job and she needs to be let go and replaced by a man who will do it without any of the dramatics.

You honestly can't win in this country. Irish people really must be at the top of the begrudgery charts.

I'd also bet money that at least some of those having a go at her for doing this are also of the opinion that there's no problem with the gender make-up of the Dáil; the very low number of women TDs is not because there are any societal or institutional barriers, it's just because women simply choose not to run.

:rolleyes:

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 10:10AM

Swanner wrote: »

Ah ok.. I see..

You don't get humour.. :rolleyes:

Sorry, could you explain the punchline please?
Are you saying she should be allowed to stay in the parliament without people calling her attention seeking or are you, as it seems to me, just repeating, yet again, a stupid crack associating breast feeding with toilet activities?

Only women are often expected to withdraw to public toilets to feed their babies, and I'm at a loss as to how to read the comments above associating breast feeding with "activities not suitable to be done in public" as anything other than seriously meant. The humour does escape me, because women have been forcibly removed from public places in some instances and have had to fight to be allowed to stay in restaurants etc. It's just not terribly funny to see the same old cliches being trotted out.

The Bishop Basher · 23-06-2017 10:13AM

volchitsa wrote: »

Someone says bringing up a baby is a full time job and no-one can do two full time jobs properly : it's not straw manning to point out that this is making a general point about mothers working, and is very different discussion from breastfeeding in public.

It's making a general point about people working..

You clearly have a different agenda and your determined to bring it into this discussion.. but it's your bias and your agenda, not mine..

I believe minding a baby is a full time job. I don't believe you can effectively manage 2 full time jobs at the same time..

As an example of why it doesn't work....

What would this lady have done if the baby started screaming crying just as she was about to propose the motion ? Should the national parliament be put on hold while she sorts out the baby ?

Children and babies have no place in a work environment.

It's not fair on anyone, especially the baby.

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 10:14AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Of course, I guess that's why every Christmas when the Queen is giving her speech, it's done between her shoving down mouthfuls of mash and turkey...

The baby wasn't called on to speak, was it? :rolleyes:
Lots of speeches are given at meals - it's a tradition. People even make a living out of it.

volchitsa · 23-06-2017 10:16AM

Swanner wrote: »

It's making a general point about people working..

You clearly have a different agenda and your determined to bring it into this discussion.. but it's your bias and your agenda, not mine..

I believe minding a baby is a full time job. I don't believe you can effectively manage 2 full time jobs at the same time..

As an example of why it doesn't work....

What would this lady have done if the baby started screaming crying just as she was about to propose the motion ? Should all if parliament be put on hold while she sorts out the baby ?

Children and babies have no place in a work environment.

It's not fair on anyone, including them..

So in your opinion young mothers have no place in parliament then.
I disagree. That's hardly "an agenda" it's just a different take on modern life.

BY the way to answer your question, what she would do is she would feed it. Obviously! As you'd know if you'd ever breast fed any children.

23-06-2017 10:19AM

volchitsa wrote: »

So in your opinion young mothers have no place in parliament then.
I disagree. That's hardly "an agenda" it's just a different take on modern life.

I believe he's referring to the babies staying out of parliament with them being looked after by their partner or a nanny rather than a complete ban of mothers

The Bishop Basher · 23-06-2017 10:19AM

volchitsa wrote: »

So in your opinion young mothers have no place in parliament then.
I disagree. That's hardly "an agenda" it's just a different take on modern life.

Seriously what are you on ?

Where did I say young mothers have no place in parliament ?

I said babies have no place in parliament and I stand by that..

Get your tits out for the TDs

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