Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Gamebred · 22-06-2017 08:43AM

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Luke Thomas is a joke lately, must unfollow on fb.

MMA Media in general is just a joke, they are fanboys covering the sport.

cloudatlas · 22-06-2017 09:20AM

SBG are sponsored by Lynx now maybe Conor can spray so much of that stink on him that Floyd's eyes will well up causing his vision to blur and he can clock him with that left hand.

Awesomeness · 22-06-2017 09:35AM

Conor may believe that he will beat mayweather but I very much doubt if JK or Roddy believe it.

You have teammates fighting sometimes and you know its unlikely they will win(Always have a small chance and its great when your wrong) but you still have to get behind them, support them as much as you can and tell everyone they will win. That is what I think those lads are doing.

When is the last time any fighter had a team mate say he wont win before a fight

walshb · 22-06-2017 09:40AM

Ush1 wrote: »

What are the more areas in MMA Floyd could get the win?

1. He is fighting a man of similar size, Conor. Not AJ, who is so very much bigger than Floyd. Floyd would be extremely lucky to even land a head shot on a man than is 8-10 inches taller. And he will NOT beat AJ with a body shot or body work.

2. MMA allows you to strike and punch, an area that Floyd is good at. Also allows you strike with elbows. Allows you to kick as well. I am sure Floyd with some practice could time and throw a kick.

Grappling would be the most difficult for Floyd to master, but he is a very natural athlete that could at least get some basic training and competency.

BTW, this is all just comparison.

Conor would be a clear favorite vs Floyd in MMA.

Floyd against AJ in boxing stands 0 chance to win......Absolute 0. At least with Conor he has even the fluke hail mary chance. He has not got this vs. AJ.

Floyd against Conor in MMA stand very little chance to win, but for reasons I mentioned he stands more chance than he does than against AJ in boxing.

This is basic simple common sense...

everlast75 · 22-06-2017 09:50AM

I liked Comedian* Bill Burr's take on it.

He said that this fight is like a fight between two swiss army knives. Except McGregor, despite being proficient at all of the tools, is told he can only use one knife. And that knife happens to be the one Mayweather has been sharpening for 40 years

*and also complete sports anorak

Mellor · 22-06-2017 10:54AM

walshb wrote: »

2. MMA allows you to strike and punch, an area that Floyd is good at. Also allows you strike with elbows. Allows you to kick as well. I am sure Floyd with some practice could time and throw a kick.

Floyd is good at strikes and punches? What???
What strikes, other than punches, is Floyd supposed to be good at? The occasional illegal elbow is nothing like a Muay Thai elbow.
And kicks, lmfao. I'm sure he'd throw a perfect roundhouse to the head first time he tried. It's just lifting you're legs up, right?

Seriously, that's ridiculous. In that one post, you've done exactly what you've been deriding all week. To suggest that Floyd could suddenly become an elite Muay Thai/kickboxer because he's a great boxer, is exactly the same as people saying Conor will be an elite boxer because he throws punches in MMA.

For the record, an MMA fighter isn't going to stand and trade with him in an MMA fight. They'd immediately look for the takedown.
But even in a Muay Thai fight. He'd get tooled up imo.

Ush1 · 22-06-2017 10:56AM

walshb wrote: »

1. He is fighting a man of similar size, Conor. Not AJ, who is so very much bigger than Floyd. Floyd would be extremely lucky to even land a head shot on a man than is 8-10 inches taller. And he will NOT beat AJ with a body shot or body work.

2. MMA allows you to strike and punch, an area that Floyd is good at. Also allows you strike with elbows. Allows you to kick as well. I am sure Floyd with some practice could time and throw a kick.

Grappling would be the most difficult for Floyd to master, but he is a very natural athlete that could at least get some basic training and competency.

BTW, this is all just comparison.

Conor would be a clear favorite vs Floyd in MMA.

Floyd against AJ in boxing stands 0 chance to win......Absolute 0. At least with Conor he has even the fluke hail mary chance. He has not got this vs. AJ.

Floyd against Conor in MMA stand very little chance to win, but for reasons I mentioned he stands more chance than he does than against AJ in boxing.

This is basic simple common sense...

You've really just listed all the reasons why Floyd would have more ways to be finished in MMA.

You're sure with time and practice Floyd could throw a kick? Not that simple I'm afraid.

Floyd can do one thing and one thing only, throw punches. Conor can throw punches, elbows, kicks, knees, chokes, jointlocks, throw him etc....

It's all a ridiculous argument but I think Floyd lasts longer in a boxing match with AJ, than an MMA fight with Conor. He will at least be familiar with how a boxer moves and can only be punched.

As for this street fight stuff, this argument was put to bed in 1993 by a skinny average Brazilian guy named Gracie. "Street fight" means no rules, which sport has less rules, MMA or boxing? And that's only if you're talking about the unified MMA rules, promotions in Japan still allow soccer kicks, stomps etc...

Ush1 · 22-06-2017 10:59AM

Mellor wrote: »

Floyd is good at strikes and punches? What???
When strikes, other than punches, is Floyd supposed to be good at? The occasional illegal elbow is nothing like a Muay Thai elbow.
And kicks, lmfao. I'm sure he'd throw a perfect roundhouse to the head first time he tried. It's just lifting you're legs up, right?

Seriously, that's ridiculous. In that one post, you've done exactly what you've been deriding all week. To suggest that Floyd could suddenly become an elite Muay Thai/kickboxer because he's a great boxer, is exactly the same as people saying Conor will be an elite boxer because he throws punches in MMA.

For the record, an MMA fighter isn't going to stand and trade with him in an MMA fight. They'd immediately look for the takedown.
But even in a Muay Thai fight. He'd get tooled up imo.

He'd get leg kicked once and sh*t his pants, and that's no slight on Floyd, just the reality of being kicked without being used to it or prepared.

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:17AM

Mellor wrote: »

Floyd is good at strikes and punches? What???
When strikes, other than punches, is Floyd supposed to be good at? The occasional illegal elbow is nothing like a Muay Thai elbow.
And kicks, lmfao. I'm sure he'd throw a perfect roundhouse to the head first time he tried. It's just lifting you're legs up, right?

Seriously, that's ridiculous. In that one post, you've done exactly what you've been deriding all week. To suggest that Floyd could suddenly become an elite Muay Thai/kickboxer because he's a great boxer, is exactly the same as people saying Conor will be an elite boxer because he throws punches in MMA.

For the record, an MMA fighter isn't going to stand and trade with him in an MMA fight. They'd immediately look for the takedown.
But even in a Muay Thai fight. He'd get tooled up imo.

Just to be clear, because it seem that you are taking this far too seriously, Floyd has very little chance to beat Conor in MMA. I just think that he has absolute 0 chance to beat AJ in boxing.

Forget all the grappling and kicking and muay thai that you are looking at.

It's simple. Floyd has a slim chance in MMA, none vs. AJ in boxing

That slim chance in MAA likley is due to a KO shot. Other than this he has very little chance

How you are confused over this and going off on tangents is your issue.

AJ being circa 9 inches taller and 100 lbs heavier pretty much means 0 chance, as well as AJ being a boxer, and a HW champion.

Conor being 1 inch taller and a bit heavier means at least Floyd can hit him to the chin or head if he got the chance....

See, when you break it down like this it's very easy to understand.

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:19AM

Ush1 wrote: »

It's all a ridiculous argument but I think Floyd lasts longer in a boxing match with AJ, than an MMA fight with Conor. He will at least be familiar with how a boxer moves and can only be punched.

What is it with some here. Not arguing how long each last. I am saying chances wise he has 0 to win vs. AJ

At least in MMA he has a punchers chance, albeit a small one.

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:22AM

I ma really beginning to wonder if some of you know anything about combat and fighting and size and weight......

Mellor · 22-06-2017 11:22AM

Ush1 wrote: »

He'd get leg kicked once and sh*t his pants, and that's no slight on Floyd, just the reality of being kicked without being used to it or prepared.

I don't think he'd **** his pants. He'd be quite "tough" imo. But his never checked a roundhouse in his life. A few of them and he's on the ground, maybe the first one.

Ush1 · 22-06-2017 11:23AM

Yet you said Conor has a better chance against Stipe......riiiiiiight.....

Ush1 · 22-06-2017 11:26AM

Mellor wrote: »

I don't think he'd **** his pants. He'd be quite "tough" imo. But his never checked a roundhouse in his life. A few of them and he's on the ground, maybe the first one.

Not to do with toughness really. It would be a completely new experience to him. Along with the physical aspects as you said, a good leg kicker only needs one.

xtal191 · 22-06-2017 11:27AM

I think that's fair, a boxer will always have a punchers chance if fighting an mma fight, a very very small chance though maybe 1 in 1000 or something ridiculous.

But Floyd would have absolutely zero chance of beating Joshua, there's nothing he could do to beat him imo.

Ush1 · 22-06-2017 11:27AM

xtal191 wrote: »

I think that's fair, a boxer will always have a punchers chance if fighting an mma fight, a very very small chance though maybe 1 in 1000 or something ridiculous.

But Floyd would have absolutely zero chance of beating Joshua, there's nothing he could do to beat him imo.

....except maybe punch him?

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:28AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Yet you said Conor has a better chance against Stipe......riiiiiiight.....

Yes. And someone agreed with me.

He has a very slim chance, but with small gloves and a good clean head shot IF he landed it he could KO a bigger man.

Of course, very slim

Weigh it all up. It's really simple

Floyd has 0 chance against AJ.

Unless you want to outline differently?

everlast75 · 22-06-2017 11:30AM

McG vs FM in MMA - the fight would be over in maybe 10 seconds

McG vs FM in boxing - it'll probably go 6 rounds or so.

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:30AM

Can anyone outline or explain Floyd's chances to beat AJ in boxing, and how it is more believable than his chances in MMA to beat Conor?

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:31AM

everlast75 wrote: »

McG vs FM in MMA - the fight would be over in maybe 10 seconds

McG vs FM in boxing - it'll probably go 6 rounds or so.

That's possible, but it is nothing to do with the comparisons we are discussing.

The comparisons are to do with chances of victory...

Ush1 · 22-06-2017 11:34AM

walshb wrote: »

Yes. And someone agreed with me.

He has a very slim chance, but with small gloves and a good clean head shot IF he landed it he could KO a bigger man.

Of course, very slim

Weigh it all up. It's really simple

Floyd has 0 chance against AJ.

Unless you want to outline differently?

As has Floyd albeit with bigger gloves against AJ.

It's all hypothetical stuff anyway but I think it's becoming clear there's a fair amount of ignorance on both sides of boxing and MMA.

Ultimate Seduction · 22-06-2017 11:37AM

walshb wrote:

Can anyone outline or explain Floyd's chances to beat AJ in boxing, and how it is more believable than his chances in MMA to beat Conor?

He could put on a defensive masterclass and not get hit by Aj once.

MMA he doesn't last 20 seconds. Litereally 20 seconds.

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:37AM

Ush1 wrote: »

As has Floyd albeit with bigger gloves against AJ.
.

That is where I disagree. Conor has the better chance to do damage with the smaller gloves, as well as Conor likely having a harder punch than Floyd.

Floyd in 10 oz gloves against a man so much bigger, with Floyd not being a big puncher.

This is it. 0 chance.

Conor without question has a better chance than 0 to get the fluke KO against the UFC champion. Not a good chance, just better than 0.

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:39AM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

He could put on a defensive masterclass and not get hit by Aj once.

.

He sure could, and lose by 120-108 or wider....still 0 chance for the win. This is only about the win, which is a 0 chance for Floyd.

Much more likely he gets carried out from being knocked out or having his body broken down and badly hurt.

Statistically impossible that AJ does not land or connect with some part of Floyd's body over 36 mins.

xtal191 · 22-06-2017 11:42AM

Theres no way Floyd goes 12 rounds and getting close enough to punch Joshua without getting badly hurt.

Ush1 · 22-06-2017 11:45AM

walshb wrote: »

That is where I disagree. Conor has the better chance to do damage with the smaller gloves, as well as Conor likely having a harder punch than Floyd.

Floyd in 10 oz gloves against a man so much bigger, with Floyd not being a big puncher.

This is it. 0 chance.

Conor without question has a better chance than 0 to get the fluke KO against the UFC champion. Not a good chance, just better than 0.

Either of them have about as much chance as Floyd does of throwing a decent kick in an MMA fight.:p

walshb · 22-06-2017 11:47AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Either of them have about as much chance as Floyd does of throwing a decent kick in an MMA fight.:p

I forgot....Conor also can kick the UFC champion. He has more options to try and get the win than Floyd does vs. AJ.

Conor 1 in 200 chance to beat UFC champion.

Floyd 1-10000 chance to beat AJ. That's how I see it, or 0 if you like, because some people will always say there's a chance.

Jesus Wept · 22-06-2017 11:49AM

Who would win in a fight, mightymouse or superman?

Mellor · 22-06-2017 11:57AM

walshb wrote: »

Just to be clear, because it seem that you are taking this far too seriously, Floyd has very little chance to beat Conor in MMA. I just think that he has absolute 0 chance to beat AJ in boxing.

Forget all the grappling and kicking and muay thai that you are looking at.

It's simple. Floyd has a slim chance in MMA, none vs. AJ in boxing

That slim chance in MAA likley is due to a KO shot. Other than this he has very little chance

How you are confused over this and going off on tangents is your issue.

AJ being circa 9 inches taller and 100 lbs heavier pretty much means 0 chance, as well as AJ being a boxer, and a HW champion.

Conor being 1 inch taller and a bit heavier means at least Floyd can hit him to the chin or head if he got the chance....

See, when you break it down like this it's very easy to understand.

I think your the one that a bit confused tbh. Go back and read my post, and the one I quoted. Because nothing you've said there is relevant. I don't know it mixed me up with somebody eles, or just forgot what you actually wrote.

I made no mention of Floyd beating AJ.
For the record, he has no chance. 0%.

I'm talking completely, and solely about you claims that Floyd would be able to pull off kicks and the like if he gave it ago.
I haven't made any comment about his chances in MMA, which would be >0% for the record.

It's essentially the exact same logic as people thinking that Conor can hold his own in pro boxing just because he punches people in MMA.
And you're questioning other people knowledge of size/combat sports. Lolololol

Burial. · 22-06-2017 12:00PM

Are people genuinely not well in the head? Floyd would need a step ladder to even hit Joshua on the head. Of course he's a better shot against Conor under MMA rules.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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