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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #6332
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Conor would have more tools to beat Stipe with, free form of combat, against Floyd he has one set v an expert at them.


  • #6333
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Conor would have more tools to beat Stipe with, free form of combat, against Floyd he has one set v an expert at them.

    So he could give a polar bear a good go as well?


  • #6334
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Yeah you were wrong the first and second time you said it and you're still wrong now.

    Gamebred has lost the plot also.

    But answer me this Walshb:

    By your logic, you believe Floyd Mayweather has more chance of beating Anthony Joshua in boxing than he does of beating Conor in MMA?

    The reverse isn't always the same.

    You should know this. Weigh it up. MMA presents more areas that Floyd could get the win vs. Conor in MAA than boxing presents him with to beat a far bigger man in specific boxing.

    If I had to bet I would bet that Floyd has more chance to beat Conor than he does to beat AJ.

    Very slim, of course, but more chance.

    The punchers chance scenario in both cases presents more chance of success with Floyd landing (and having success/impact) on Conor with 4 oz gloves than him landing on 250 lbs 6 feet 5 inch AJ with 10 oz gloves.

    I can't believe I have to point this obvious sh1t out.


  • #6335
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    So he could give a polar bear a good go as well?


    If it was in an mma fight in the octagon yeah.


  • #6336
    darced
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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  • #6337
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    Her voice had me fooled :-)

    The reason she has no chance is due to the relative difference in ability to supply and or receive kinetic energy. I believe that is comparable to Conor vs Stipe. I cannot see a scenario where conor wins. You asked the question - that is my answer and reason.

    I also think he has little chance. I was simply comparing chances in the two scenarios.


  • #6338
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    maximoose wrote: »
    No idea how boxing ones normally work, if it's press only or open. The (shambles of a :pac:) press conference for 189 in the Convention Centre was ticketed through Eventbrite IIRC, tickets were free you just had to sign up and 'buy' them

    Seriously?! Jaysus, I was assuming they'd be highly priced at point of sale and then end up being touted for ridiculous figures shortly afterwards.

    I guess for now we can just keep an eye on sports news sites to get an indication of when and where these might be happening. One slightly annoying thing about this fight is that it so far isn't entirely clear (to me at least) whether the promotion / marketing is going to come from the UFC end or the Mayweather end - for instance, would Dana White be introducing the press conferences, as he would a UFC event? Or will it be entirely Floyd's people handling it all now that the UFC have signed their end of the contract?


  • #6339
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    If I had to bet I would bet that Floyd has more chance to beat Conor than he does to beat AJ.

    The punchers chance scenario in both cases presents more chance of success with Floyd landing on Conor with 4 oz gloves than him landing on 250 lbs 6 feet 5 inch AJ with 10 oz gloves.

    I can't believe I have to point this obvious sh1t out.

    I can't believe I have to point out you're talking absolute sh1t either.

    You're saying:

    Conor has more chance of beating Stipe in MMA than Floyd in boxing.

    Floyd has more chance of beating Conor in MMA than AJ in boxing.

    You're either completely delusional or deliberately trolling.

    For Conor to beat Stipe or for Floyd to beat AJ, they would both have to avoid being hit once in the entire contest. They would have to stick and move, out-pointing heavyweights. If either man gets hit once they are going to sleep.

    Tommy Toe Hold just did a video describing some of the ridiculous ignorance and condescension of Conor that you're displaying, enjoy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnfP7mg6wAc


  • #6340
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    For Conor to beat Stipe or for Floyd to beat AJ, they would both have to avoid being hit once in the entire contest. They would have to stick and move, out-pointing heavyweights. If either man gets hit once they are going to sleep.

    You don't say....


  • #6341
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    My Da would bash your Da


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  • #6342
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Seriously?! Jaysus, I was assuming they'd be highly priced at point of sale and then end up being touted for ridiculous figures shortly afterwards.

    I guess for now we can just keep an eye on sports news sites to get an indication of when and where these might be happening. One slightly annoying thing about this fight is that it so far isn't entirely clear (to me at least) whether the promotion / marketing is going to come from the UFC end or the Mayweather end - for instance, would Dana White be introducing the press conferences, as he would a UFC event? Or will it be entirely Floyd's people handling it all now that the UFC have signed their end of the contract?

    It's a Showtime/TMT promotion with the UFC in an auxiliary promotional role doing Embedded and stuff like that, so no Dana won't be out front at all the pressers.

    He may do the one in Vegas, possibly, but can't see him doing the others. If I had to guess the cities for the World Tour will probably be Dublin, London, New York and Vegas.


  • #6343
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    You don't say....

    Another insightful post from MMA expert Walshb.

    We'll see what you have to say on August 27th.


  • #6344
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Another insightful post from MMA expert Walshb.

    We'll see what you have to say on August 27th.

    I hope the "fight" goes the 9 rds you hope and bags you a few quid.


  • #6345
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred





    McGregor has history of moving around with people bigger than Stipe, has zero of moving around with a pro boxer 49-0, the one bit of footage we have with van heeren was him getting lit up like a christmas tree.


  • #6346
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    some of the comparisons are getting quite ridiculous at this stage.

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or the Might Morphing Power Rangers?


  • #6347
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    MartyMcFly84 wrote: »
    some of the comparisons are getting quite ridiculous at this stage.

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or the Might Morphing Power Rangers?

    I expected it from the boxing trolls who are clueless about MMA but didn't expect it from MMA fans.

    Crazy stuff.

    Trying to tell me Zab Judah threw a straight left at the speed of light due to his ninja reflexes. Lmao. It was a double jab, step-in left hand, thrown with no speed at all and still landed flush.

    But of course they expect Conor to look like Homer Simpson in there against Floyd.

    Scandalous lack of knowledge of Conor's skills.

    Here's a list of people who, so far, say Conor *CAN* win. Emphasis on "can", not "will":

    Steve Collins
    Freddie Roach
    Al Iaquinta
    Dan Hardy
    Jason Quigley
    Stitch Duran
    Eddie Alvarez
    Brendan Schaub
    Chris Weidman
    Joe Rogan
    Conor Wallace
    GSP

    But what would all these people know when we have internet experts stating he has a 0% chance.


  • #6348
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    I expected it from the boxing trolls who are clueless about MMA but didn't expect it from MMA fans.

    Crazy stuff.

    Trying to tell me Zab Judah threw a straight left at the speed of light due to his ninja reflexes. Lmao. It was a double jab, step-in left hand, thrown with no speed at all and still landed flush.

    But of course they expect Conor to look like Homer Simpson in there against Floyd.

    Scandalous lack of knowledge of Conor's skills.

    Here's a list of people who, so far, say Conor *CAN* win. Emphasis on "can", not "will":

    Steve Collins
    Freddie Roach
    Al Iaquinta
    Dan Hardy
    Jason Quigley
    Stitch Duran
    Eddie Alvarez
    Brendan Schaub
    Chris Weidman
    Joe Rogan
    Conor Wallace
    GSP

    But what would all these people know when we have internet experts stating he has a 0% chance.



    Your rate his boxing so high so whats your barometer for success in this fight? are you going to claim 2 jabs and a body shot from Conor as you proven right or what?


  • #6349
    darced
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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  • #6350
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    If all the boxing experts are right then McGregor should be KO'd inside a couple of rounds. Anything less and they were wrong.


  • #6351
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Your rate his boxing so high so whats your barometer for success in this fight? are you going to claim 2 jabs and a body shot from Conor as you proven right or what?

    I think Conor lands 90-100 punches on Floyd through 9 rounds by the official Compubox numbers. Berto landed 83 through 12.

    There's obviously a chance Conor KO's him or gets KO'd before then but if it gets to the end of the 9th I expect good numbers.
    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Lots of people are saying he has zero chance of winning. Mindless stuff. It's boxing he is transitioning to, something he has been doing in practice for 15 years.

    I'm open to all possibilities here, including Conor winning on points at the far end of the spectrum and at the other end, Floyd KO'ing Conor in 10 seconds.


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  • #6352
    darced
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  • #6353
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    I think Conor lands 90-100 punches on Floyd through 9 rounds by the official Compubox numbers. Berto landed 83 through 12.

    There's obviously a chance Conor KO's him or gets KO'd before then but if it gets to the end of the 9th I expect good numbers.



    Lots of people are saying he has zero chance of winning. Mindless stuff. It's boxing he is transitioning to, something he has been doing in practice for 15 years.

    I'm open to all possibilities here, including Conor winning on points at the far end of the spectrum and at the other end, Floyd KO'ing Conor in 10 seconds.


    So anything but 90 punches landed will be a failure? or is it survive 9 rounds?


  • #6354
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Lots of people would say that Mark English has 0 chance to beat Usain Bolt over 100 meters. They would probably add a disclaimer that if Bolt falls down (English's hail mary) then English could win. I wouldn't call them silly for feeling that the chance is very close to 0.


  • #6355
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    But what would all these people know when we have internet experts stating he has a 0% chance.

    Do you see the irony here at all?

    Not everyone that disagrees with you is a troll ffs. You claim you're not a just a giant McGregor fanboy but you're coming across as anything but.


  • #6356
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Do you see the irony here at all?

    Not everyone that disagrees with you is a troll ffs. You claim you're not a just a giant McGregor fanboy but you're coming across as anything but.

    He/she is taking this far too personally and construing so much as being anti Conor. It just results in silly debate.


  • #6357
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Do you see the irony here at all?

    Not everyone that disagrees with you is a troll ffs. You claim you're not a just a giant McGregor fanboy but you're coming across as anything but.

    There's no irony.

    If I was saying Conor will 100% win, then there would be irony.

    Anyone saying the chance of victory is 0% is trolling. I'm fine if people want to say 0.5% or 1% if they believe it.


  • #6358
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    He/she is taking this far too personally and construing so much as being anti Conor. It just results in silly debate.

    Silly debate is you saying Conor has more chance of beating Stipe.

    Silly debate is you saying if Conor wins or does well it *might* be because the fight is rigged/fixed/a scam.


  • #6359
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    There's no irony.

    If I was saying Conor will 100% win, then there would be irony.

    Anyone saying the chance of victory is 0% is trolling. I'm fine if people want to say 0.5% or 1% if they believe it.

    What about a 0.1% chance? Or a 0.01% chance.? Try and see the wood from the trees. Anyone saying he has "no chance" is unlikely to have assessed the statistical likelihood of that occurring. Rather, they're simply saying that there's simply no way they can see him winning


  • #6360
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    martyos121 wrote: »
    The fact that he's so long suggests that there's a ridiculous amount going on Conor to win this, and that beggars belief to be honest. I can't imagine any high rollers even considering a wager on McGregor so it must be a huge amount of normal enough bets going on him.
    Django99 wrote: »
    I can't remember where I saw it but an American bookie has said that their liability on a McGregor win is huge at the moment but they expect the cash to come in for Floyd closer to the fight. I would imagine the 1/6 price will be smashed fight week, the high rollers will surely see it as a sure thing.

    Betfair is only one market, but it is actually showing the activity is on Floyds side.

    Total matched on this win marke: €2,779,870
    Amount matched on Conor: €789,888
    Amount matched on Floyd: €1,974,311
    Draw: €15,670


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  • #6361
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gamebred wrote: »
    So anything but 90 punches landed will be a failure? or is it survive 9 rounds?

    It's a fight anything can happen.

    Floyd might KO Conor just as quickly as Conor KO'd Aldo.

    But in my book, success is Conor making it a competitive encounter. Whether that's *winning*, going 12-rounds, landing more than Berto, dropping Floyd or making him take a standing 8-count, there's many ways to argue it was a success from Conor's point of view.

    My bar for it being a success is a lot higher than most peoples because I have faith in Conor.

    People keep going on about the van Heerden sparring footage. I guarantee you 100% we could see footage of Conor sparring Artem in MMA over the years where Artem does really well and tools Conor up. Both Conor and Artem are on record saying they've had some absolute wars in the gym.

    The point is this - whatever footage we see of Conor in training (be it MMA or boxing) is irrelevant. He's not a gym fighter. He comes into his own on the big stage under the bright lights when the pressure is at its maximum.


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