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American lad held captive in North Korea dies soon after release..

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  • #32
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    This was a guy that they were supposed to look after. Shorten his sentence, go home, tell everybody he was treated well, North Korea not so bad after all.

    Imagine what they do their own people?

    After the Holocaust the consensus was we cannot let this happen again. But here we go, 2017 and they have death camps in North Korea. And we will not know the full extent of it until the regime collapses.


  • #33
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,246 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Heartbreaking. We'll probably never know what they did to him over there. I think it's quite clear at this stage that North Korea sent him home to die. At least his family got him back, I hope they find peace at some stage.


  • #34
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    The North Korean government are like a bloody stain on this planet.

    They killed this man.


  • #35
    Rumpy Pumpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Rumpy Pumpy


    A load of people head there for Human Zoo tourism. Mad into Marxism and 'rage against the machine' sort of stuff.


  • #36
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,497 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    That is really sad. He was only a young man and now he's dead because of a political stunt he pulled in NK.

    NK surely is a hellhole with these types of rotten standards applied on their own so-called justice system.

    An unbearable loss for his family and friends. I hope they will find peace & justice that he is now gone. RIP Otto. :(


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  • #37
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    nullzero wrote: »
    Sadly this is possibly representative of the fate of so many North Koreans. What a frightening place North Korea is.

    I'd imagine the fate of many North Koreans is even worse, although it's difficult to know what really goes on in that country since everything is so controlled and media access from the outside world is virtually zero. From what we do know it seems a bizarre country, culturally as different from us as a planet on the other side of the galaxy.


  • #38
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Holy **** they actually killed the guy.
    RIP


  • #39
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    There are plenty of books available for free (kindle/e reader versions) that are written by escaped North Korean prisoners.
    It is as bad or worse than the Nazi death camps - sickening stuff that I can't believe is going on - and then the world laughs at Kim Jong, like he is a comedy figure - it isn't a joke.


  • #40
    McDermotX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    WT'HOLY'F !


  • #41
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,809 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Bad karma.... ^

    Not your ornery onager



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  • #42
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,406 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Holy **** they actually killed the guy.
    RIP
    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    There are plenty of books available for free (kindle/e reader versions) that are written by escaped North Korean prisoners.
    It is as bad or worse than the Nazi death camps - sickening stuff that I can't believe is going on - and then the world laughs at Kim Jong, like he is a comedy figure - it isn't a joke.
    Other westerners who have been detained in the Glorious People's Democratic Republic report that they suffer detention (obviously) and privation (not a lot of food, not a lot of company, restricted communications, etc). But they don't suffer physical abuse or torture and, from reports, there's no physical evidence that Warmbier was tortured, or that his brain injury is the result of anything done to him by his captors.

    His brain injury could be the result of his brain having been deprived of oxygen for a period, which in turn is usually the result of his having stopped breathing, and not having been resuscitated quickly enough. He could have stopped breathing as a result of a cardiac incident, or a drug overdose (sedatives, opiates), or indeed thoracic paralysis as a result of botulism infection, as claimed by the North Koreans. Whatever the cause, if he had been immediately resuscitated this long-term damage would not have resulted. It may be that this happened in a place where appropriate medical care wasn't available, or it may be that his captors simply failed to recognise what was happening, or did not know how to deal with it (though any doctor would have known).

    So, basically, he wasn't tortured. He was denied adequate, competent medical care at a crucial time.


  • #43
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Saipanne wrote: »
    That's assuming he did it.
    Pretty sure there was video?


  • #44
    Murrisk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Murrisk


    This is absolutely chilling. A young man with his whole life ahead of him. Callow eejitry stays in the past for most of us. :(


  • #45
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Technically speaking you could get life for stealing a poster in the US thanks to the three strikes rule.
    They also have a three strikes rule in North Korea - break the law and three generations of your family are sent to the camps :eek:


  • #46
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    So, basically, he wasn't tortured.
    You don't know that. They could have water boarded him until he lost consciousness. Given their history, I'd say they know how to torture someone without leaving marks. They've had enough practice. I wouldn't take them at face value that a young fit male in their care happened to fall seriously ill from botulism. Way too convenient.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also, confirmation bias.


  • #48
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I don't think there's any sense in denying that what Warmbier did was reckless and foolish especially in a place like North Korea....we all do stupid things when we're young.

    But he did not deserve what was done to him - it was evil and disgusting, simple as that.

    What a horrible place N Korea is.

    RIP Otto


  • #49
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    No sign of physical abuse. They must have decided to experiment on him with some nasty sh?t

    Surely the coma and his death are signs of abuse?


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Surely the coma and his death are signs of abuse?
    Not quite, according to the American doctors at the press conference.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    RIP Otto
    Otto? Were you two friends?


  • #51
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Not quite, according to the American doctors at the press conference.


    Otto? Were you two friends?

    Obviously not but that was his name was it not? Why shouldn't I say it?

    You're really going to nitpick at a time like this? That's just sad.


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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »
    A load of people head there for Human Zoo tourism. Mad into Marxism and 'rage against the machine' sort of stuff.

    Na, most people go because they want to experience the ridiculous propaganda tour. I've known people who've gone and people who wanted to go before the last few incidents and that was always the reason.


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Obviously not but that was his name was it not? Why shouldn't I say it?

    You're really going to nitpick at a time like this? That's just sad.
    I'm just curious, that's all really.

    What was it that made you personally identify with Otto Warmbier?


  • #54
    MysticMonk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 902 ✭✭✭MysticMonk


    Westerners are treated comparatively well compared to natives in NK.

    They aren't beaten or brutalised and in a case I heard of,they're kept in disused hotels rather than the barracks


  • #55
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I'm just curious, that's all really.

    What was it that made you personally identify with Otto Warmbier?

    Where are you getting this rubbish from?

    I merely said what we all say when someone dies.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Where are you getting this rubbish from?

    I merely said what we all say when someone dies.


    RIP Ahmed, Yemen Road, Yemen.


  • #57
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    RIP Ahmed, Yemen Road, Yemen.

    Oh get over yourself!

    What's your problem?


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Oh get over yourself!

    What's your problem?

    I merely said what we all say when someone dies.


  • #59
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I merely said what we all say when someone dies.
    Don't take the bait. There was nothing wrong with what you posted. It's true that you and I didn't know this man personally but that doesn't mean that we can't feel empathy for him and his family when he lost his life over a stupid fcuking flag.


  • #60
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,406 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Surely the coma and his death are signs of abuse?
    Not as such. Lots of people end up in a coma, and it's not often the result of abuse.

    (In this case neglect or imcompetence seem more likely than abuse.)


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  • #61
    Neon_Lights
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Neon_Lights


    I know the whole policemen of the world thing and the US but what will take for somebody just to take on the this fat baseless moron, I do believe he has missiles but intercontinental nuclear warheads? Hardly, the country can barely keep its electricity on and feed its people.


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