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Why are heavy people not taken seriously?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    Nagnata wrote: »
    Look at how much obese people cost the state with diseases due to their size. I'm not say if they were slim they wouldn't have any but it would reduce the risk. So it really is everyone's business when the country is full of fat obese people. There are only a very few amount of people who have genuine reasons for been over weight. The rest either are to lazy to follow a healthy diet and to a lesser extent excercise.

    True to a certain extent but my mother, a thin, non-smoking, non-drinking vegetarian has heart problems and ataxia and my athlete dad has an irregular heartbeat and a brain aneurysm.

    Then add in the smokers, drinkers and drug takers and they are all costing as much. Yet rarely does someone shout at someone for smoking or make fun of them for having some alcohol.

    I do believe something needs to be done in education about healthy lifestyle choices but I think that the main focus of this should be psychological. I feel that if kids were taught to meditate and do yoga when they are small that they would find it much easier to cope in life and may turn to less crutches.

    My parents refused to get me mental health counselling when I was obviously a mess as a teen because of the stigma that was attached and my mother being all about how the world views her and her family. It is only through going to CBT myself a few years ago that I was able to identify why I am overweight and how to try to work on that. Unfortunately, a lot of damage is done now and it is taking a long time to sort it out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 Nagnata


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Have you private health insurance? I do.

    Why should my taxes pay for your health?

    Do you have children? I don't.

    Why should my taxes pay for yours?

    It's a slippery slope removing services for those that don't conform to your standards.
    Private health insurance is still subsidised here. You may also be availing of other services if you get sick. Clogging up our hospitals unnecessary is another issue.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Are you a Doctor? How do you reach the conclusion that some hospital admissions are 'unnecessary'?

    Do you know what comorbidity is?


    Nagnata wrote: »
    Private health insurance is still subsidised here. You may also be availing of other services if you get sick. Clogging up our hospitals unnecessary is another issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,194 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    We're set to become the fattest country in Europe before 2030, and yet people bury their heads in the sand and refuse to see it as a problem.

    It's a worrying trend that there is also an increase in obese teenagers, I was one but I was in a minority 30 years ago.

    Now it's much more common due to a lack of exercise and bad diet, young people set themselves up for a shorter lifespan unless weight issues are tackled at a young age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    There will always be a section of society who look down their nose at heavy people as if they are somehow inferior to other people in some way. Never mind that thin people could be abusers, drug addicts or general dciks, it seems to be most important to be thin to some snobs.
    However, the way the country has gone in the last 20 years with all the obesity and related illness and deaths, it has become almost the NORM to be heavy in Ireland today therefore I can see fattism slowly declining if our weights keep on going up because most people will be carrying extra weight and instead of obese people being the minority, they will be as common as muck.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    I don't mind fat people that accept being fat. But those that hate being fat need to put down the cupcakes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    I don't mind fat people that accept being fat. But those that hate being fat need to put down the cupcakes.

    I don't think they can though. A vast majority of obese people have underlying psychological issues perhaps caused by a traumatic event(s).

    Not as easy as switching out the cakes for carrots.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    People take other people at face people. I find it surprising in 2017 that it's necessary to explain this. How you present yourself in terms of appearance and attitude is how you are perceived.

    As a result of this particular aspect of human nature, fat people are perceived as lazy, less competent and generally much less approachable than their more physically appealing counterparts. This is generally why overweight people aren't taken as seriously - They represent something which people desperately wish to avoid becoming and what every magazine, celebrity and piece of health related media so often criticize. It probably isn't fair, or even entirely sensible, that we place such a heavy emphasis on a person's appearance but it's always been like that and always will be.

    People don't have to be physically perfect in every respect but we really should strive to improve ourselves and become the best version of ourselves within our own unique circumstances.

    Wow, hows life up on that high horse? Cheek of you to suggest that its "always been like that" as well. No it hasn't- its the 24/7 social media, advertisements depicting men and women as chiselled perfect creatures who must never put on an ounce of weight lest they be banished from society.

    I sincerely hope that you, your spouse or your kids never have to take tablets to treat cancer that bloat you out, that you never have an episode in your life where you turn to food or drink to cope or that you never suffer from a slow metabolism and start putting on a few pounds. I struggle to think of how your tiny, ignorant mind would cope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭LincolnHawk


    There is an underlying problem with this thread. The OP has no idea that people are giving him dirty looks because he's now fat...he's not in their heads, could be someone having a bad day with a face like a smacked arse, but OP is so important that its because he's fat.
    People are too busy to be scowling at fatties, and with so many obese now we'd be all knackered after a day in town giving evils to the chubs


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Your use of language and other posters in this thread means that the OP is completely justified in his feelings.
    There is an underlying problem with this thread. The OP has no idea that people are giving him dirty looks because he's now fat...he's not in their heads, could be someone having a bad day with a face like a smacked arse, but OP is so important that its because he's fat.
    People are too busy to be scowling at fatties, and with so many obese now we'd be all knackered after a day in town giving evils to the chubs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    when the apocalypse comes, we will eat the skinny ones first


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    Right, so what causes obesity? It's mainly the consumption of foods which cause a spike in insulin and are high in the glycemic index. Some people can eat a tonne of pizzas and not gain a pound. Others can do the same and end up on a Wal Mart scooter. There have been plenty of studies about the fact the consumption of food in calorie terms is roughly the same for people in the normal health range and the heavier range. A calorie is not a calorie and your body does not obey the law of thermodynamics. They don't have a clue like.

    Heavy men and women are not taken seriously because they have health and fertility problems: just about every disease out there (with the exception of some stuff like schizophrenia oddly enough) increases in probability. So that fat woman is unattractive to you because biologically because the kids are going to end up sicker,dumber and unhealthier. The fat man is unattractive to you because he's got less of an ability to protect and win in a fight.

    This sthuff is big like. You especially notice it when you're a former fattie and you turn yourself into a skinny lad and then turn yourself into an athletic lad by deadlifting 400 pounds and putting on some muscle say.

    Lift weights and eat a low carb diet. You'll be amazed how people will react to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    Wow, hows life up on that high horse? Cheek of you to suggest that its "always been like that" as well. No it hasn't- its the 24/7 social media, advertisements depicting men and women as chiselled perfect creatures who must never put on an ounce of weight lest they be banished from society.

    I sincerely hope that you, your spouse or your kids never have to take tablets to treat cancer that bloat you out, that you never have an episode in your life where you turn to food or drink to cope or that you never suffer from a slow metabolism and start putting on a few pounds. I struggle to think of how your tiny, ignorant mind would cope.


    What the f*** is wrong with you? I didn't say that I judge people for being overweight you prat, i just said that it's how they are generally perceived - which is entirely true.

    People have always judged based on appearance, you're entirely wrong sorry. It may have become more common and prevalent in contemporary society but it always existed and anyone who argue is wrong. You honestly think overweight people weren't judged in the 1990s? For the record, I despise social media but your attack on my post is completely unjustified.

    I am not a very smart individual sir, but I do not believe that I am ignorant when it comes to this issue. I understand that external factors affect a person lifestyle which is why I I stated that people should just do their best " in their own unique circumstances" in my original post.

    You've attacked my my post and, consequently, attacked me, my views and opinion. You are wrong. Explain to me please how I was "on a high horse?"

    I do apologise, but the only one appearing ignorant here, is you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Its about looks simple as.

    If your good looking but a bit heavy you can get away with it otherwise your just ''The fat one''

    The same goes for skinny or fit people its not worth a ****e if there ugly bastards.

    Why do you think theres so many short average looking men into the gym scene? Cause without there topless six pack social media photos there ****ing nothing.

    Especially in todays society its all about looks weather your big or small if you can pull off what you've got then thats half the battle.

    This is coming from someone who isnt really into skinny women either who would prefer a curvy bigger overweight whatever you want to call them woman most of the time.

    So im not even bashing fat people :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    I gained nearly three stone in a year and people look at me like im scum. Why?

    They're probably not looking at you like you're scum... that's probably just your mind inventing something based on your own insecurities!

    Many overweight people tend to be highly sensitive to anyone looking at them, even if that person is only glancing in their direction just like they would for any other person they might pass!

    In my experience, it's mostly fat people themselves who fuel their own stigmatisation. They know intrinsically that their body is unattractive, and that they are visibly wearing their own failures as a person for the whole world to see!

    Nasty people in society obviously feed off those insecurities, and then compound a bad situation to make it even worse.

    But in reality, the vast majority of people in society do not actively try to descrimate towards overweight people. It's just a perception coming from a section of extremely insecure and mentally fragile individuals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    To be fair I think a lot of the OPs insecurities could be his own head and he's just projecting them on to other people.

    I personally am not a judgmental person, I don't think less of anyone because they are overweight.

    I just find myself wondering sometimes how some-one can allow themselves to get morbidly obese. I do understand there are many different reasons for it but like drinking, smoking or taking drugs I do believe that in the vast majority of cases if someone really wants to change their lifestyle they will.


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