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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #5942
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    Does that not strike you as very silly on Conor's part?

    He literally believed he would be a 2-weight UFC World Champion before he ever got signed to the UFC.

    The line between self-confidence and delusion is a fine-line but it's the one he walks. He absolutely believes he will stop Floyd.

    We'll find out on August 26th if he's stark-raving-bonkers or not.


  • #5943
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred





    This is Conors best hope, this kind of fight.


  • #5944
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    He literally believed he would be a 2-weight UFC World Champion before he ever got signed to the UFC.

    The line between self-confidence and delusion is a fine-line but it's the one he walks. He absolutely believes he will stop Floyd.

    We'll find out on August 26th if he's stark-raving-bonkers or not.

    That is all just talk...believing you will be a success in your chosen sport is one thing, believing you beat a career great in their sport and I think it's time to start calling it BS!


  • #5945
    markc91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭markc91


    https://www.balls.ie/boxing/mayweather-mcgregor-misconceptions-367252

    Couldnt have put it better myself


  • #5946
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭cletus


    Gintonious wrote: »
    How does one do well for losing? Unless its a SD like De La Hoya against Mayweather.

    Look, I know this thread has descended into all sorts of ridiculosity, but I'm trying to have a proper discussion. Do you genuinely not see how McGregor not being stopped by the best boxer of the last 20 years in a boxing match would be something of an achievement?

    Obviously it would not be comparable to a win, and lots of mma (read: McGregor) bandwagoners will be everything from confused to downright disgusted, but it would go against all expectations of every boxing fan and pundit (who does not have skin in the game)


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  • #5947
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    He literally believed he would be a 2-weight UFC World Champion before he ever got signed to the UFC.

    The line between self-confidence and delusion is a fine-line but it's the one he walks. He absolutely believes he will stop Floyd.

    We'll find out on August 26th if he's stark-raving-bonkers or not.

    I think there is a distinction to be made between an MMA fighter believing he will be a 2 weight champion in his selected sport, to an MMA fighter believing he can beat probably the best boxer of all time in boxing having had no previous experience in it to speak of.


  • #5948
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    cletus wrote: »
    Look, I know this thread has descended into all sorts of ridiculosity, but I'm trying to have a proper discussion. Do you genuinely not see how McGregor not being stopped by the best boxer of the last 20 years in a boxing match would be something of an achievement?

    Obviously it would not be comparable to a win, and lots of mma (read: McGregor) bandwagoners will be everything from confused to downright disgusted, but it would go against all expectations of every boxing fan and pundit (who does not have skin in the game)

    No, I don't. If he is fully embarrassed for 12 rounds, doesn't land a single punch to speak of and still lasts 12 rounds, that is equally as bad as getting stopped in my book.

    Going 12 doesn't mean jack if you do nothing during it.

    I'm not trying to be smart or whity (I also am trying to have a civil discussion as well), but I don't see going 12 rounds being anything of an achievement other than saying he did it. He isn't a total nobody off the street, he has fought in other sports.


  • #5949
    Gamebred
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    No, I don't. If he is fully embarrassed for 12 rounds, doesn't land a single punch to speak of and still lasts 12 rounds, that is equally as bad as getting stopped in my book.

    Going 12 doesn't mean jack if you do nothing during it.

    I'm not trying to be smart or whity (I also am trying to have a civil discussion as well), but I don't see going 12 rounds being anything of an achievement other than saying he did it. He isn't a total nobody off the street, he has fought in other sports.

    Would Floyd going 5 rounds in mma not impress you?


  • #5950
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Speaking of who might be showing the fight .
    Miguel Cotto is fighting the same night and Boxnation are showing it .
    Could well be postponed because of this but they wouldn't be able to show both surely ?

    http://www.boxnation.com/boxing-matches/miguel-cotto-v-yoshihiro-kamegai/


  • #5951
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭cletus


    Gintonious wrote: »
    No, I don't. If he is fully embarrassed for 12 rounds, doesn't land a single punch to speak of and still lasts 12 rounds, that is equally as bad as getting stopped in my book.

    Going 12 doesn't mean jack if you do nothing during it.

    I'm not trying to be smart or whity (I also am trying to have a civil discussion as well), but I don't see going 12 rounds being anything of an achievement other than saying he did it. He isn't a total nobody off the street, he has fought in other sports.

    OK, then


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  • #5952
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Would Floyd going 5 rounds in mma not impress you?

    Floyd lasting 5 minutes in MMA would be a miracle worthy of serious admiration.

    I give him 60 seconds maximum before he's asleep by anyone in the top 15 at Lightweight.


  • #5953
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    Speaking of who might be showing the fight .
    Miguel Cotto is fighting the same night and Boxnation are showing it .
    Could well be postponed because of this but they wouldn't be able to show both surely ?

    http://www.boxnation.com/boxing-matches/miguel-cotto-v-yoshihiro-kamegai/


    Cotto will be injured any day now dont worry.


  • #5954
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Had a little chat with George Lockhart last night he said he's coming over soon for the camp, wish he'd cook me a few meals :rolleyes:


  • #5955
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The whole going by 12 rds needs to be looked at. Going 12 and getting well beaten by a Floyd who is merely coasting would be a small achievement. Going 12 against a Floyd who is giving it a fair whack would be an exceptional achievement. But the second scenario I can't see because it would be a bloodfest and extremely dangerous for Conor. He'd be pulled out I'd hope.


  • #5956
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭cletus


    walshb wrote: »
    The whole going by 12 rds needs to be looked at. Going 12 and getting well beaten by a Floyd who is merely coasting would be a small achievement. Going 12 against a Floyd who is giving it a fair whack would be an exceptional achievement. But the second scenario I can't see because it would be a bloodfest and extremely dangerous for Conor. He'd be pulled out I'd hope.

    But even a coasting Floyd should be able to put enough hands on him to stop him. I know he hasn't chased a finish in a while, but surely if the skill levels are so disparate a stoppage should be expected, especially if McGregor goes in hot and gasses


  • #5957
    Gamebred
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    floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-shane-mosley-2.gif?w=630


    And thats all she wrote...


  • #5958
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Would Floyd going 5 rounds in mma not impress you?

    If he was battered solid for 5 rounds, not at all.

    This is what I am trying to get at. Lets use the above example of Mayweather going to MMA, and then "lasting" 5 rounds, would it be impressive if that MMA fighter was dragging it out for the 5 rounds, making an example if you will of their opponent?

    Not at all. Now reverse that to the upcoming fight.


  • #5959
    walshb
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-shane-mosley-2.gif?w=630


    And thats all she wrote...

    Video mirrored? That shot was a right hand in the actual fight.


  • #5960
    hewhoscares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭hewhoscares


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    JoeyJJ wrote: »
    I presume sky will win the Ppv rights for here, that means they will probably put together their own commentary team.

    I wonder will they hire in some mma talent

    This doesn't bode well for Sky taking the fight. I've a hard time believing their Main Man would come out so publicly against the fight if he was commentating on it.

    https://twitter.com/IanDarke/status/875671763941822464

    he works for BT on football now


  • #5961
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    walshb wrote: »
    Video mirrored? That shot was a right hand in the actual fight.



    Jokes aside this is what I see happening


    BGB%2BMayweather%2BMitchell%2BKO%2BGIF.gif


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  • #5962
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭cletus


    Gintonious wrote: »
    If he was battered solid for 5 rounds, not at all.

    This is what I am trying to get at. Lets use the above example of Mayweather going to MMA, and then "lasting" 5 rounds, would it be impressive if that MMA fighter was dragging it out for the 5 rounds, making an example if you will of their opponent?

    Not at all. Now reverse that to the upcoming fight.


    I think the difference here is that most mma fans, myself included, could not see any mma fighter 'dragging it out...making an example'.

    I would expect the mma fighter to go hard for a very quick finish, ala Toney Couture.

    I think that mma fans, again myself included, would assume that a boxer, facing a non boxer, in a boxing match, would look to finish their opponent, to demonstrate the gulf in ability. Why fight 12 rounds if you can finish in 5.


  • #5963
    hewhoscares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭hewhoscares


    this myth that Floyd is feather fisted is a myth.

    He will be landing on Conor at will and often. He has had the respect of all the elite boxers with serious power.

    Watch the Loma Dillashaw spar. Its one shots from Loma and Dillashaw is ****ed after a few minutes and its a lite spar ffs.

    Hes not knocked many out in the last ten years, hes also been fighting world/elite end boxers for the duration of that time. McGregors Diaz fights showed he doesn't have elite cardio, even with his FAST program bollox. Mayweather will put on a pace he cannot handle. He will be swinging at air - that doesn't help your gastank one bit.

    He's elusive and his chin has been shown to be solid. The straw grasping here is something.

    Don't know why im bothering replying mind - the responses will basically be "Dat left hand shot doh"


  • #5964
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    hewhoscares wrote: »
    this myth that Floyd is feather fisted is a myth.

    He will be landing on Conor at will and often. He has had the respect of all the elite boxers with serious power.

    Watch the Loma Dillashaw spar. Its one shots from Loma and Dillashaw is ****ed after a few minutes and its a lite spar ffs.

    Hes not knocked many out in the last ten years, hes also been fighting world/elite end boxers for the duration of that time. McGregors Diaz fights showed he doesn't have elite cardio, even with his FAST program bollox. Mayweather will put on a pace he cannot handle. He will be swinging at air - that doesn't help your gastank one bit.

    He's elusive and his chin has been shown to be solid. The straw grasping here is something.

    Don't know why im bothering replying mind - the responses will basically be "Dat left hand shot doh"


    Anyone that knows boxing knows he aint feather fisted, however his hands are brittle hence the lack of ko's, he needs work on them non stop.


  • #5965
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭cletus


    hewhoscares wrote: »
    this myth that Floyd is feather fisted is a myth.

    He will be landing on Conor at will and often. He has had the respect of all the elite boxers with serious power.

    Watch the Loma Dillashaw spar. Its one shots from Loma and Dillashaw is ****ed after a few minutes and its a lite spar ffs.

    Hes not knocked many out in the last ten years, hes also been fighting world/elite end boxers for the duration of that time. McGregors Diaz fights showed he doesn't have elite cardio, even with his FAST program bollox. Mayweather will put on a pace he cannot handle. He will be swinging at air - that doesn't help your gastank one bit.

    He's elusive and his chin has been shown to be solid. The straw grasping here is something.

    Don't know why im bothering replying mind - the responses will basically be "Dat left hand shot doh"

    Dat left hand tho...


  • #5966
    markc91
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    Seen something that sums this up perfectly Conor has as much chance against Floyd as your neighbours labrador has against Frankel!


  • #5967
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    markc91 wrote: »
    Seen something that sums this up perfectly Conor has as much chance against Floyd as your neighbours labrador has against Frankel!


    Over what trip though? Frankel wouldnt get a mile in a half in a horse box my neighbors Lab would.


  • #5968
    Django99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Django99


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Anyone that knows boxing knows he aint feather fisted, however his hands are brittle hence the lack of ko's, he needs work on them non stop.

    And this is another reason the fight being at 154 is good for Mayweather. 10oz gloves means much more padding and less likely to break his hand.


  • #5969
    walshb
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    cletus wrote: »
    But even a coasting Floyd should be able to put enough hands on him to stop him. I know he hasn't chased a finish in a while, but surely if the skill levels are so disparate a stoppage should be expected, especially if McGregor goes in hot and gasses

    True..depends on the level of coasting I suppose.

    Any committed and concerted effort from Floyd and he breaks Conor quickly. Conor spending 80 perecent of his time defending.


  • #5970
    Fall_Guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Fall_Guy


    For those who feel McGregor has a chance of going the distance, I'd point them towards Willie Casey's fight with Guillermo Rigondeaux a few years ago....Rigondeaux was a vastly superior fighter but one who often fought very cautiously, being even less likely to stand in the pocket and trade on the inside than Floyd has over the years.

    It didn't stop him putting Casey (considered a decent enough European level fighter at the time, and tough as old boots, to be fair) away in around 90 seconds, because he was levels above him.

    You would have to imagine that this would be a similar case (only more pronounced), in that if Floyd wants to finish him early, he will. If McGregor has any joy whatsoever it will be a huge huge achievement.


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  • #5971
    Burial.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Burial.


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    All night


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